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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> bllsht wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>> >>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>> driver that >>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>> actually a >>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>> trash and >>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>> >>>> I am happy. >>>> >>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>> >>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>> MB's AGP slot. >>> >>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>> >>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>> >>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>> if you haven't seen it already. >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't >> seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >> fast as it is now! >> >> Mike >> > > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > > Chris LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> bllsht wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>> >>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>> driver that >>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>> actually a >>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>> trash and >>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>> >>>> I am happy. >>>> >>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>> >>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>> MB's AGP slot. >>> >>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>> >>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>> >>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>> if you haven't seen it already. >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't >> seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >> fast as it is now! >> >> Mike >> > > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > > Chris LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> bllsht wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>> >>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>> driver that >>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate everything in >>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>> actually a >>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>> trash and >>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>> >>>> I am happy. >>>> >>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>> >>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>> MB's AGP slot. >>> >>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>> >>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>> >>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>> if you haven't seen it already. >> >> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I haven't >> seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >> >> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >> fast as it is now! >> >> Mike >> > > Did you check the ground strap on the PC? > > Chris LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
Mike Romain wrote:
> c wrote: >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> bllsht wrote: >>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>> >>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>> driver that >>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>> everything in >>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>> actually a >>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>> trash and >>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than with >>>>> the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the first time! >>>>> >>>>> I am happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>> >>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>> >>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>> >>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>> >>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>> >>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>> >>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything so >>> fast as it is now! >>> >>> Mike >>> >> >> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >> >> Chris > > LOL! > > Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first things > checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to work well. > > I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the grounds > aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am now using > looks like a penguin. Seriously... > > Mike Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide ground. In fact it is not recommended. Chris |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> c wrote: >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> bllsht wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>>> driver that >>>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>>> everything in >>>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>>> trash and >>>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than >>>>>> with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the >>>>>> first time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>>> >>>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>>> >>>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>>> >>>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything >>>> so fast as it is now! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >>> >>> Chris >> >> LOL! >> >> Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first >> things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to >> work well. >> >> I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the >> grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am >> now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... >> >> Mike > > Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional > thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more > watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power > issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video > card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard > drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back > to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells > me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all > ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be > able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to > the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide > ground. In fact it is not recommended. > > Chris There is a reason I have the set of 3' jumper cables with alligator clips on them.... Back when I was working in computer hardware, things had to be grounded. You could not run a PC on a table without the ground straps added. I had to solder a ground strap onto my last ASUS motherboard to chassis ground it. Th that case's standoffs were plastic and the board required a ground from one standoff screw hole to the chassis to work. I believe my current one also uses a standoff ground. All the older systems worked best with a direct chassis ground to the components. My current CD writer has to be chassis ground with a mounting screw or it only gets seen every second or 3rd boot up if it is loose in the slot. My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS was loading. Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> c wrote: >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> bllsht wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>>> driver that >>>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>>> everything in >>>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>>> trash and >>>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than >>>>>> with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the >>>>>> first time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>>> >>>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>>> >>>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>>> >>>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything >>>> so fast as it is now! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >>> >>> Chris >> >> LOL! >> >> Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first >> things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to >> work well. >> >> I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the >> grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am >> now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... >> >> Mike > > Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional > thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more > watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power > issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video > card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard > drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back > to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells > me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all > ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be > able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to > the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide > ground. In fact it is not recommended. > > Chris There is a reason I have the set of 3' jumper cables with alligator clips on them.... Back when I was working in computer hardware, things had to be grounded. You could not run a PC on a table without the ground straps added. I had to solder a ground strap onto my last ASUS motherboard to chassis ground it. Th that case's standoffs were plastic and the board required a ground from one standoff screw hole to the chassis to work. I believe my current one also uses a standoff ground. All the older systems worked best with a direct chassis ground to the components. My current CD writer has to be chassis ground with a mounting screw or it only gets seen every second or 3rd boot up if it is loose in the slot. My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS was loading. Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> c wrote: >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> bllsht wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>>> driver that >>>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>>> everything in >>>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>>> trash and >>>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than >>>>>> with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the >>>>>> first time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>>> >>>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>>> >>>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>>> >>>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything >>>> so fast as it is now! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >>> >>> Chris >> >> LOL! >> >> Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first >> things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to >> work well. >> >> I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the >> grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am >> now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... >> >> Mike > > Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional > thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more > watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power > issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video > card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard > drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back > to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells > me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all > ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be > able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to > the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide > ground. In fact it is not recommended. > > Chris There is a reason I have the set of 3' jumper cables with alligator clips on them.... Back when I was working in computer hardware, things had to be grounded. You could not run a PC on a table without the ground straps added. I had to solder a ground strap onto my last ASUS motherboard to chassis ground it. Th that case's standoffs were plastic and the board required a ground from one standoff screw hole to the chassis to work. I believe my current one also uses a standoff ground. All the older systems worked best with a direct chassis ground to the components. My current CD writer has to be chassis ground with a mounting screw or it only gets seen every second or 3rd boot up if it is loose in the slot. My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS was loading. Mike |
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