Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
c wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote: >> c wrote: >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> bllsht wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:03:05 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>>> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.secret@needtoknow.org> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:25k6r2plclf4t4ea9216gvphp7b7lra6ft@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:50:51 -0700, "Earle Horton" >>>>>>>> <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamers don't like the built-in video cards that you get with a >>>>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>>>> motherboards, because they are "cheap" and not as "gnarly" as a >>>>>>>>> $300.00 AGP card that comes with its own cooling fan. On the >>>>>>>>> other hand, you rarely get compatibility problems with built-in >>>>>>>>> cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On-board video rarely supports the *features* most modern games >>>>>>>> require...THATS why most gamers don't use on-board video :o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Features" = "gnarly". Mike no doubt has a card that requires an >>>>>>> initialization sequence that is not being done properly by the >>>>>>> driver that >>>>>>> he has installed. In that case, it is trying to emulate >>>>>>> everything in >>>>>>> software, with the results that he has posted. Unless he is >>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>> gamer (rhymes with lamer) I would recommend pitching it in the >>>>>>> trash and >>>>>>> sticking with the old PCI card. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yup, I am not a gamer and my PC has never rocked so fast than >>>>>> with the straight 4M pci card. It will even multi task for the >>>>>> first time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking it might be a monitor issue. It is an NCR with no >>>>>> available drivers, but still the boot issue... Oh well. >>>>> >>>>> Since it happens during POST, when drivers aren't loaded yet, I'd >>>>> suspect a hardware compatiblity issue. Or maybe a problem with the >>>>> MB's AGP slot. >>>>> >>>>> Just did a quick Google on your motherboard and came up with this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/a...dls/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Near the bottom is a section on Nvidia problems with this MB. May help >>>>> if you haven't seen it already. >>>> >>>> Thanks, I have the single CPU with the VIA Apollo Pro133Z chipset >>>> instead of the one mentioned and tried a 2005 VIA update with an AGP >>>> fix in it also. Original drivers were 2002. Worse if anything with >>>> the 2005. It would only stay stable for one boot with that one, at >>>> least the old drivers worked for years, just slow as a pig. I >>>> haven't seen a performance increase since my P200 upgrade from my 486. >>>> >>>> I am happy now with the 733 mhz board and 1G ram, it isn't worth >>>> messing with until I upgrade hardware. I have never used anything >>>> so fast as it is now! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>> >>> Did you check the ground strap on the PC? >>> >>> Chris >> >> LOL! >> >> Yes, as a matter of fact, the ground strap were one of the first >> things checked, and it did indeed need one for one of the drives to >> work well. >> >> I actually have a set of jumper cables here for making sure the >> grounds aren't an issue with these strange cases I get. The case I am >> now using looks like a penguin. Seriously... >> >> Mike > > Of course I was joking with you, but it does bring up an additional > thing you could check sometime. The newer video cards require more > watts, and being that your PC is older, I wonder if you have a power > issue, Maybe the power supply is not sufficient to power the newer video > card. This would be especially true if you are running multiple hard > drives or a lot of USB devices. Many PC problems have been traced back > to a weak or insufficient power supply. The need for a ground wire tells > me that something might be amiss there. The PC components should all > ground through the black wire on the Molex plug. In fact, you should be > able to run all the PC components laying out on a table and hooked up to > the PSU. Unlike a vehicle, a PC should NOT need the chassis to provide > ground. In fact it is not recommended. > > Chris There is a reason I have the set of 3' jumper cables with alligator clips on them.... Back when I was working in computer hardware, things had to be grounded. You could not run a PC on a table without the ground straps added. I had to solder a ground strap onto my last ASUS motherboard to chassis ground it. Th that case's standoffs were plastic and the board required a ground from one standoff screw hole to the chassis to work. I believe my current one also uses a standoff ground. All the older systems worked best with a direct chassis ground to the components. My current CD writer has to be chassis ground with a mounting screw or it only gets seen every second or 3rd boot up if it is loose in the slot. My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS was loading. Mike |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:01:41 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: [snip] >My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD >with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the >power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS >was loading. > >Mike Do you have another machine you could test the card in?? (Rehashing this in my mind: you've tried TWO different AGP cards in THIS board, and they both suck compared to a PCI Trident...) Can you try an ATI based AGP card in this mobo?? (Grasping at straws here :/ ... ) .... |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:01:41 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: [snip] >My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD >with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the >power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS >was loading. > >Mike Do you have another machine you could test the card in?? (Rehashing this in my mind: you've tried TWO different AGP cards in THIS board, and they both suck compared to a PCI Trident...) Can you try an ATI based AGP card in this mobo?? (Grasping at straws here :/ ... ) .... |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:01:41 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: [snip] >My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD >with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the >power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS >was loading. > >Mike Do you have another machine you could test the card in?? (Rehashing this in my mind: you've tried TWO different AGP cards in THIS board, and they both suck compared to a PCI Trident...) Can you try an ATI based AGP card in this mobo?? (Grasping at straws here :/ ... ) .... |
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:01:41 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: [snip] >My current power supply is a new one and I tried just firing up one HD >with the stupid AGP video card and a microcrap serial mouse to make the >power draws minimal. No go, I could still go make coffee while the BIOS >was loading. > >Mike Do you have another machine you could test the card in?? (Rehashing this in my mind: you've tried TWO different AGP cards in THIS board, and they both suck compared to a PCI Trident...) Can you try an ATI based AGP card in this mobo?? (Grasping at straws here :/ ... ) .... |
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