{OT} -- Computer Problem
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3
> file system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you
> can get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>
> user wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> snip>
>>
>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>
Thanks, Frank_v7.0!
I wanted to write the same thing but without it sounding like a
"Neener, neener, neener" type of statement. And, no, you didn't make it
sound that way either. :)
It's just that I have been running several distros of Linux for the
last 6 years and have had no problems that the Microsofties are saying
they are having. For the last 5 months I have been running PCLinuxOS.93,
waiting patiently for .94 Started my Linux experience with Mandrake
8.0. Played with Suse, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Gentoo, and now PCLinuxOS,
My wife runs her computers with Microsoft products flawlessly and she
even has a couple Macs with OSX that I want to try to learn.
> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3
> file system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you
> can get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>
> user wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> snip>
>>
>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>
Thanks, Frank_v7.0!
I wanted to write the same thing but without it sounding like a
"Neener, neener, neener" type of statement. And, no, you didn't make it
sound that way either. :)
It's just that I have been running several distros of Linux for the
last 6 years and have had no problems that the Microsofties are saying
they are having. For the last 5 months I have been running PCLinuxOS.93,
waiting patiently for .94 Started my Linux experience with Mandrake
8.0. Played with Suse, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Gentoo, and now PCLinuxOS,
My wife runs her computers with Microsoft products flawlessly and she
even has a couple Macs with OSX that I want to try to learn.
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3
> file system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you
> can get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>
> user wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> snip>
>>
>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>
Thanks, Frank_v7.0!
I wanted to write the same thing but without it sounding like a
"Neener, neener, neener" type of statement. And, no, you didn't make it
sound that way either. :)
It's just that I have been running several distros of Linux for the
last 6 years and have had no problems that the Microsofties are saying
they are having. For the last 5 months I have been running PCLinuxOS.93,
waiting patiently for .94 Started my Linux experience with Mandrake
8.0. Played with Suse, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Gentoo, and now PCLinuxOS,
My wife runs her computers with Microsoft products flawlessly and she
even has a couple Macs with OSX that I want to try to learn.
> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3
> file system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you
> can get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>
> user wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> snip>
>>
>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>
Thanks, Frank_v7.0!
I wanted to write the same thing but without it sounding like a
"Neener, neener, neener" type of statement. And, no, you didn't make it
sound that way either. :)
It's just that I have been running several distros of Linux for the
last 6 years and have had no problems that the Microsofties are saying
they are having. For the last 5 months I have been running PCLinuxOS.93,
waiting patiently for .94 Started my Linux experience with Mandrake
8.0. Played with Suse, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Gentoo, and now PCLinuxOS,
My wife runs her computers with Microsoft products flawlessly and she
even has a couple Macs with OSX that I want to try to learn.
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3
> file system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you
> can get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>
> user wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> snip>
>>
>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>
Thanks, Frank_v7.0!
I wanted to write the same thing but without it sounding like a
"Neener, neener, neener" type of statement. And, no, you didn't make it
sound that way either. :)
It's just that I have been running several distros of Linux for the
last 6 years and have had no problems that the Microsofties are saying
they are having. For the last 5 months I have been running PCLinuxOS.93,
waiting patiently for .94 Started my Linux experience with Mandrake
8.0. Played with Suse, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Gentoo, and now PCLinuxOS,
My wife runs her computers with Microsoft products flawlessly and she
even has a couple Macs with OSX that I want to try to learn.
> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3
> file system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you
> can get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>
> user wrote:
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> snip>
>>
>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>
Thanks, Frank_v7.0!
I wanted to write the same thing but without it sounding like a
"Neener, neener, neener" type of statement. And, no, you didn't make it
sound that way either. :)
It's just that I have been running several distros of Linux for the
last 6 years and have had no problems that the Microsofties are saying
they are having. For the last 5 months I have been running PCLinuxOS.93,
waiting patiently for .94 Started my Linux experience with Mandrake
8.0. Played with Suse, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Gentoo, and now PCLinuxOS,
My wife runs her computers with Microsoft products flawlessly and she
even has a couple Macs with OSX that I want to try to learn.
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
noneofyourbusiness wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
noneofyourbusiness wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
noneofyourbusiness wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem -- UPDATE, FIXED (I think)
noneofyourbusiness wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:38:38 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have had no success on my update. I cannot get the nvidia
>> drivers to work on my system so an AGP fast graphics card will work. I
>> even got the chipset update for the board and the newest drivers and no
>> way. It is a slow pig when it even will boot up.
>>
>> The old Trident PCI video card works at light speed in comparison.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Ive missed something here, but, what video card are you trying to get
> working?
>
> Regardless, if the latest drivers don't work, look for older drivers,
> especially if its an older card. This is a common issue with Nvidia
> cards.
>
> ...
I tried the 2002 Nvidia drivers and the 2005 ones with worse results.
Same deal for the Motherboard chipset update.
The cards are a Hercules 3D Prophet II MX dual display video and a
Creative labs # CT6710 RIVA 128 TNT card.
I am totally amazed at how fast my old PCI card is in comparison. More
than tenfold even on the POST tests and bios read at startup.
Mike
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
There's a learning curve because you will be thinking in "Windows". Once
you get past that you will ask yourself "why the heck didn't I do this
sooner". Download MEPIS 6.04 beta 3, burn the iso ( you do know how to
burn an iso?) and boot from the CD to run it "live". This will tell you
if your hardware is compatible. Then you click on the install icon and
follow the instructions. Don't get fancy, accept the defaults. You can
always change them later when you know what you're doing. :-) Got
questions? MEPIS Lovers forum has a newbies section.
http://www.mepislovers.com/forums/
http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
This is 6.0 stable, but feel free to try 6.04 beta 3. It's actually
better. :-)
The Merg wrote:
> Hey Frank,
> how much trouble is linux to install/maintain? I'd say I have average
> computer skills, FWIW
>
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
>> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
>> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
>> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3 file
>> system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you can
>> get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>>
>> user wrote:
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> snip>
>>>
>>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>>
>
--
FRH
you get past that you will ask yourself "why the heck didn't I do this
sooner". Download MEPIS 6.04 beta 3, burn the iso ( you do know how to
burn an iso?) and boot from the CD to run it "live". This will tell you
if your hardware is compatible. Then you click on the install icon and
follow the instructions. Don't get fancy, accept the defaults. You can
always change them later when you know what you're doing. :-) Got
questions? MEPIS Lovers forum has a newbies section.
http://www.mepislovers.com/forums/
http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
This is 6.0 stable, but feel free to try 6.04 beta 3. It's actually
better. :-)
The Merg wrote:
> Hey Frank,
> how much trouble is linux to install/maintain? I'd say I have average
> computer skills, FWIW
>
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
>> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
>> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
>> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3 file
>> system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you can
>> get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>>
>> user wrote:
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> snip>
>>>
>>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>>
>
--
FRH
Guest
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Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
There's a learning curve because you will be thinking in "Windows". Once
you get past that you will ask yourself "why the heck didn't I do this
sooner". Download MEPIS 6.04 beta 3, burn the iso ( you do know how to
burn an iso?) and boot from the CD to run it "live". This will tell you
if your hardware is compatible. Then you click on the install icon and
follow the instructions. Don't get fancy, accept the defaults. You can
always change them later when you know what you're doing. :-) Got
questions? MEPIS Lovers forum has a newbies section.
http://www.mepislovers.com/forums/
http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
This is 6.0 stable, but feel free to try 6.04 beta 3. It's actually
better. :-)
The Merg wrote:
> Hey Frank,
> how much trouble is linux to install/maintain? I'd say I have average
> computer skills, FWIW
>
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
>> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
>> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
>> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3 file
>> system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you can
>> get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>>
>> user wrote:
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> snip>
>>>
>>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>>
>
--
FRH
you get past that you will ask yourself "why the heck didn't I do this
sooner". Download MEPIS 6.04 beta 3, burn the iso ( you do know how to
burn an iso?) and boot from the CD to run it "live". This will tell you
if your hardware is compatible. Then you click on the install icon and
follow the instructions. Don't get fancy, accept the defaults. You can
always change them later when you know what you're doing. :-) Got
questions? MEPIS Lovers forum has a newbies section.
http://www.mepislovers.com/forums/
http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
This is 6.0 stable, but feel free to try 6.04 beta 3. It's actually
better. :-)
The Merg wrote:
> Hey Frank,
> how much trouble is linux to install/maintain? I'd say I have average
> computer skills, FWIW
>
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
>> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
>> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
>> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3 file
>> system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you can
>> get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>>
>> user wrote:
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> snip>
>>>
>>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>>
>
--
FRH
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: {OT} -- Computer Problem
There's a learning curve because you will be thinking in "Windows". Once
you get past that you will ask yourself "why the heck didn't I do this
sooner". Download MEPIS 6.04 beta 3, burn the iso ( you do know how to
burn an iso?) and boot from the CD to run it "live". This will tell you
if your hardware is compatible. Then you click on the install icon and
follow the instructions. Don't get fancy, accept the defaults. You can
always change them later when you know what you're doing. :-) Got
questions? MEPIS Lovers forum has a newbies section.
http://www.mepislovers.com/forums/
http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
This is 6.0 stable, but feel free to try 6.04 beta 3. It's actually
better. :-)
The Merg wrote:
> Hey Frank,
> how much trouble is linux to install/maintain? I'd say I have average
> computer skills, FWIW
>
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
>> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
>> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
>> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3 file
>> system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you can
>> get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>>
>> user wrote:
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> snip>
>>>
>>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>>
>
--
FRH
you get past that you will ask yourself "why the heck didn't I do this
sooner". Download MEPIS 6.04 beta 3, burn the iso ( you do know how to
burn an iso?) and boot from the CD to run it "live". This will tell you
if your hardware is compatible. Then you click on the install icon and
follow the instructions. Don't get fancy, accept the defaults. You can
always change them later when you know what you're doing. :-) Got
questions? MEPIS Lovers forum has a newbies section.
http://www.mepislovers.com/forums/
http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
This is 6.0 stable, but feel free to try 6.04 beta 3. It's actually
better. :-)
The Merg wrote:
> Hey Frank,
> how much trouble is linux to install/maintain? I'd say I have average
> computer skills, FWIW
>
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> I'm running Firefox and Thunderbird on MEPIS 6.04 beta 3 (linux). The
>> beta 3 MEPIS puts out is better than most other distributions final
>> versions. And 6.04 final is due out by the end of the month. No
>> spyware, no virius, and never having to defrag thanks to the ext3 file
>> system :-) It's free for downloading or if you're on dial-up you can
>> get a CD shipped to you for hundreds less than XP or Vista.
>>
>> user wrote:
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> snip>
>>>
>>> Has anybody else here got fed up enough with Microsoft products and
>>> switched to Linux, or Mac?
>>
>
--
FRH
