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Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:flrb0i.2vk.1@news.evilcabal.org... <snip> >>> >> > >>> >> > I characterize it as macabre. Sorry, but that's how I see it. >>> >> >>> >> I would *like* see it - on an interesting, intellectual plane. But >>> >> don't >>> >> think my involuntary reaction(s) - which reside on another plane - >>> >> would >>> >> allow me to. >>> >> >>> >> Cathy >>> > >>> > It's a sort of macabre form of entertainment for many. Not me. >>> >>> No, I don't think it's even supposed to be a form of entertainment. >>> More >>> like acquisition of knowledge; a better understanding of our own bodies. >>> Granted, learning about a topic can be entertaining (as in interesting), >>> but >>> not in the same way you're using ther term, is my guess. We're not >>> approaching this from the same angle, that's pretty obvious. >>> >>> Cathy >> >> Most who view this so called exhibit don't view it the same as you, from >> a purely scientific state of mind I would guess. It is a Saturday >> afternoon entertainment. > > Um, it's not "so-called" - it really is an exhibit. Not sure why you'd > say it wasn't. I mean, a horrible car accident is on display as well, but > that would draw curious, maybe even ghoulish spectators. > > Having said that, the folks I saw seemed to be in awe, rather than > morbidly curious, but since I can't read minds, I can't be sure. > > :-) > > Natalie Besides, this is something you have to voluntarily PAY to go see. Hopefully you'd have an idea of what you were walking into! -Dave |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
On Jan 6, 8:41 pm, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I re-read my original post, and realize I didn't mention that this > description of cremation is *second-hand* A pathologist I knew in the 80s > told me about it. If I had seen it myself, I would say so. > > I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this > individual has some first-hand experience of his own. > > The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no reason > for him to lie about that. > > Natalie Was it possible he was just trying to get inside your running and ducking |
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>Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the >sounds. > >This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a >cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the body >starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) >movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's a >horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! > >*shudder* > >Natalie > AWESOME! Now that would be worth seeing! |
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Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:flo05t.218.1@news.evilcabal.org... > > "Dave L" <... >> >> "Jeff Strickland" ... >>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were >>> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>> >>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>> >>> Way cool! >>> >>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >> >> >> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove up >> there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no >> desire to go with him!). >> >> -Dave >> > > As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that, > rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them all. > I bought some souvenir stuff there. > > :-) > NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool stuff that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat. PS I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain shooting down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed me precisely the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but now I know why. Very cool stuff. |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
"dbu'" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message news:nospam-43DDFD.15270705012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com... > In article <flo05t.218.1@news.evilcabal.org>, > "Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Dave L" <... >> > >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >> >> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >> >> >> >> Way cool! >> >> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >> > >> > >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove >> > up >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no >> > desire to go with him!). >> > >> > -Dave >> > >> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that, >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them >> all. >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >> >> :-) >> >> Natalie > > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. > -- > I do not agree. I think it gives lay-persons an excellent insight into the human body, and the mechanics that lay beneath the skin. Sure, it takes dead people to show us this stuff, but it is a program that is well worth the price of admission. They didn't kill the cadavers in order to bring the show to us common-folk, so I don't see anything wrong with the show, per se. I went in with a substantial queasiness, but after I got in and experienced the exhibition, I was fine. It was very cool. |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:58:56 -0500, Wickeddoll wrote:
> > "dbu'" ... >> "Wickeddoll" wrote: >> >>> "Dave L" >>> > "Wickeddoll" ... >>> >> >>> >> "dbu'" >>> >>>> >> "Dave L" <... >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >>> >>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If >>> >>>> >> >> they >>> >>>> >> >> were >>> >>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> Way cool! >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I >>> >>>> >> > drove >>> >>>> >> > up >>> >>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf >>> >>>> >> > had >>> >>>> >> > no >>> >>>> >> > desire to go with him!). >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > -Dave >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they >>> >>>> >> did >>> >>>> >> that, >>> >>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen >>> >>>> >> them >>> >>>> >> all. >>> >>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> :-) >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Natalie >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. >>> >>>> > -- >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from >>> >>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something like >>> >>>> that, I >>> >>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what >>> >>>> happens >>> >>>> to their own remains. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Natalie >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to >>> >>> me. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the >>> >> exhibit, >>> >> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all. >>> >> >>> >> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies for >>> >> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing >>> >> and >>> >> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them. >>> >> >>> >> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing us >>> >> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive >>> >> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was >>> >> very >>> >> respectful of the displays. >>> >> >>> >> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows >>> >> healthy >>> >> lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, in >>> >> which >>> >> you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them there! >>> >> LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed smoke-free, >>> >> but >>> >> at least it got their attention. >>> >> >>> >> :-) >>> >> >>> >> Natalie >>> > >>> > Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs >>> > would >>> > have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did >>> > that. >>> > At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I >>> > remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a room >>> > of >>> > cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still >>> > smelling >>> > the formaldehyde... >>> > >>> > -Dave >>> > >>> >>> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the >>> sounds. >>> >>> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a >>> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the >>> body >>> starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) >>> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. >>> It's a >>> horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! >>> >>> *shudder* >>> >>> Natalie >> >> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive >> after many hours or a couple of days? > > They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors, > like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what. > Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the time. > > Natalie It's referred to as 'animal electricity'. Luigi Galvani and all that..... Static electricity would be enough to trigger a reaction. -- Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking. -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946) |
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"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:flqjmt.2oc.1@news.evilcabal.org... > > "Dave L" >> "Wickeddoll" ... >>> >>> "dbu'" >>>>> >> "Dave L" <... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >>>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If >>>>> >> >> they were >>>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Way cool! >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I >>>>> >> > drove >>>>> >> > up >>>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had >>>>> >> > no >>>>> >> > desire to go with him!). >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -Dave >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did >>>>> >> that, >>>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen >>>>> >> them >>>>> >> all. >>>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> :-) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Natalie >>>>> > >>>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. >>>>> > -- >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from >>>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something like >>>>> that, I >>>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what >>>>> happens >>>>> to their own remains. >>>>> >>>>> Natalie >>>> >>>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to me. >>>> -- >>>> >>> >>> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the exhibit, >>> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all. >>> >>> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies for >>> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing and >>> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them. >>> >>> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing us >>> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive >>> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was very >>> respectful of the displays. >>> >>> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows >>> healthy lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, >>> in which you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them >>> there! LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed >>> smoke-free, but at least it got their attention. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Natalie >> >> Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs would >> have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did that. >> At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I >> remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a room of >> cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still smelling >> the formaldehyde... >> >> -Dave >> > > Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the > sounds. > > This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a > cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the > body starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) > movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's > a horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! > > *shudder* > > Natalie In Alberta, the law requires that the body be in a closed container when inserted into the crematory. > > |
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"witfal" <nospam@all4.me> wrote in message news:flrttj$fn9$2@news.albasani.net... > On 2008-01-06 17:02:46 -0800, dbu' <nospam@nospam.moc> said: > >>>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive >>>> after many hours or a couple of days? >>> >>> They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors, >>> like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what. >>> Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the >>> time. >>> >>> Natalie >> >> But no more than what it takes for rigor mortis to set in. A few hours >> at most. > > Rigor is not permanent. It goes away after three or four days. > That is correct. |
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:13:19 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> See, and this is all true, because it is on the Internet. Absolutely >> true. Dear Allat, I swear it. True. Really. Honest. > >You have a differing view? Post your experience. > >If you have no proof against it, I suggest you STFU. > >Natalie > Bwa-ha-ha-ha... Yes, I've seen many, lived for years in a culture where cremation was both public and common place. Never, ever was that ever seen by me, or anyone that I know of. The poster wanted to create a troll, and she succeeded. Posted complete -------- and that is a fact. |
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:02:09 -0800, witfal <nospam@all4.me> wrote:
>> If you have no proof against it, I suggest you STFU. > >In case you missed it, Peter, you just got schooled. Uh, yea, right... |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: > >I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this >individual has some first-hand experience of his own. > >The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no reason >for him to lie about that. > >Natalie > I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't escape, but it is rare. |
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:22:09 GMT, Socks <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote:
>My wife and I haven't eaten fast food(or even eaten in a proper sit >down restaurant for that matter) in over 6 years. Me neither! I can't believe that people will eat that stuff. And worse, feed it to their children? |
Re: {{ OT }} Bodies ... the Exhibition
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:58:56 -0500, "Wickeddoll"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive >> after many hours or a couple of days? > >They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors, >like wires. Now that is funny... No basis in medicine but if you would like to quote a reference I'll be glad to read it, and appologize if appropriate. Otherwise, complete bull-ticky. |
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PeterD wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Wickeddoll" > <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether >> this individual has some first-hand experience of his own. >> >> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see >> no >> reason for him to lie about that. >> >> Natalie >> > > I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain > curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't > escape, but it is rare. Specially considering that one of the first things an undertaker does is punch a vent pipe into the midsection. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"PeterD" "Wickeddoll" wrote: > > >> >>I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this >>individual has some first-hand experience of his own. >> >>The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no >>reason >>for him to lie about that. >> >>Natalie >> > > I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain > curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't > escape, but it is rare. You said in an earlier post you've seen public cremation. In the open air, the body will burn considerably faster than in a crematorium. Have you seen through a viewer into a crematorium? I still think it's possible to react the way the doc described. He could have been shining me on, but I doubt it. Natalie |
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"PeterD" "Wickeddoll" wrote: > >> >>> >>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive >>> after many hours or a couple of days? >> >>They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors, >>like wires. > > > Now that is funny... No basis in medicine but if you would like to > quote a reference I'll be glad to read it, and appologize if > appropriate. Otherwise, complete bull-ticky. I'm not a doctor, but I do have a medical background. Admittedly, this is anecdotal, but you still show me no reason to take your word over his. Natalie |
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"Socks" ... > >>Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the >>sounds. >> >>This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a >>cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the >>body >>starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) >>movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. It's >>a >>horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! >> >>*shudder* >> >>Natalie >> > AWESOME! > Now that would be worth seeing! You're scary. A troll says it's not true, but he has yet to prove otherwise. Natalie |
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"Jeff Strickland"... > > "Wickeddoll" .. >> >> "Dave L" <... >>>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were >>>> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>>> >>>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>>> >>>> Way cool! >>>> >>>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>> >>> >>> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove up >>> there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no >>> desire to go with him!). >>> >>> -Dave >>> >> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did that, >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen them >> all. I bought some souvenir stuff there. >> >> :-) >> > > > NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool stuff > that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat. > > PS > I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain shooting > down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed me precisely > the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but now I know why. > Very cool stuff. They explain how it's done, but it's still amazing. Can you imagine the *time* it takes to pull out even the cauda equina (bundle of nerves at the base of the spine, which resembles a horse's tail, hence the name). Had to take months! Natalie |
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"Pink Freud©®" Wickeddoll wrote: > >> >> "dbu'" ... >>>> "Dave L" >>>> >>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >>>> >>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If >>>> >>>> >> >> they >>>> >>>> >> >> were >>>> >>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> Way cool! >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when >>>> >>>> >> > I >>>> >>>> >> > drove >>>> >>>> >> > up >>>> >>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf >>>> >>>> >> > had >>>> >>>> >> > no >>>> >>>> >> > desire to go with him!). >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> > -Dave >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they >>>> >>>> >> did >>>> >>>> >> that, >>>> >>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've >>>> >>>> >> seen >>>> >>>> >> them >>>> >>>> >> all. >>>> >>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> :-) >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Natalie >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from >>>> >>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something >>>> >>>> like >>>> >>>> that, I >>>> >>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what >>>> >>>> happens >>>> >>>> to their own remains. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Natalie >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to >>>> >>> me. >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the >>>> >> exhibit, >>>> >> when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all. >>>> >> >>>> >> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies >>>> >> for >>>> >> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing >>>> >> and >>>> >> practical our bodies are, though we abuse them. >>>> >> >>>> >> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing >>>> >> us >>>> >> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive >>>> >> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was >>>> >> very >>>> >> respectful of the displays. >>>> >> >>>> >> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows >>>> >> healthy >>>> >> lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, in >>>> >> which >>>> >> you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them >>>> >> there! >>>> >> LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed smoke-free, >>>> >> but >>>> >> at least it got their attention. >>>> >> >>>> >> :-) >>>> >> >>>> >> Natalie >>>> > >>>> > Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs >>>> > would >>>> > have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did >>>> > that. >>>> > At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I >>>> > remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a >>>> > room >>>> > of >>>> > cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still >>>> > smelling >>>> > the formaldehyde... >>>> > >>>> > -Dave >>>> > >>>> >>>> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but >>>> the >>>> sounds. >>>> >>>> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a >>>> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the >>>> body >>>> starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) >>>> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. >>>> It's a >>>> horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! >>>> >>>> *shudder* >>>> >>>> Natalie >>> >>> You're kidding of course?? How could the nervous system still be alive >>> after many hours or a couple of days? >> >> They're never really "dead" so to speak. They're electrical conductors, >> like wires. I don't know if it's heat/friction that causes it, or what. >> Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the >> time. >> >> Natalie > > > It's referred to as 'animal electricity'. > > Luigi Galvani and all that..... > > Static electricity would be enough to trigger a reaction. > > > > -- > Thanks for your input! There's a troll who's disputing this, but hasn't offered any proof to prove the doc was lying to me. Until then, I believe him. Natalie |
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"sharx35" ... > > "Wickeddoll" ... >> >> "Dave L" >>>> "dbu'" >>>>>> >> > "Jeff Strickland" ... >>>>>> >> >> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If >>>>>> >> >> they were >>>>>> >> >> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Way cool! >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I >>>>>> >> > drove >>>>>> >> > up >>>>>> >> > there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf >>>>>> >> > had no >>>>>> >> > desire to go with him!). >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > -Dave >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they >>>>>> >> did that, >>>>>> >> rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen >>>>>> >> them >>>>>> >> all. >>>>>> >> I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> :-) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Natalie >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I think it's a disgusting commercialized display of dead people. >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> Dunno if you know this, but every cadaver in that exhibit was from >>>>>> *volunteer* subjects. If it were homeless people, or something like >>>>>> that, I >>>>>> would agree with you, but I think a person has a right to say what >>>>>> happens >>>>>> to their own remains. >>>>>> >>>>>> Natalie >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I know that, but it, the exhibit, still seems very strange to me. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> >>>> Fair enough, but I just didn't think it was fair to condemn the >>>> exhibit, when participation in it was purely voluntary, that's all. >>>> >>>> It's very effective, however. I think we tend to take our bodies for >>>> granted, and this exhibit shows the general public how truly amazing >>>> and practical our bodies are, though we abuse them. >>>> >>>> They had a section of infants/embryos, which bore a sign informing us >>>> that these were all spontaneous deaths, but that the more sensitive >>>> people should probably skip it. I thought everything they did was very >>>> respectful of the displays. >>>> >>>> In the part of the exhibit about the respiratory system, it shows >>>> healthy lungs, and smoker's lungs. Right next to that is a clear box, >>>> in which you can throw your smoking supplies. There were a lot of them >>>> there! LOL Who knows if the folks who ditched the stuff stayed >>>> smoke-free, but at least it got their attention. >>>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Natalie >>> >>> Yeah, I thought the displays of a smoker's lungs vs. healthy lungs would >>> have grabbed some attention. It was amazing on the "how" they did that. >>> At least it didn't smell like formaldehyde (from what I remember). I >>> remember taking a look in one of my brother's college classes - a room >>> of cadavers being examined and dissected. Came out of there still >>> smelling the formaldehyde... >>> >>> -Dave >>> >> >> Gawd, autopsies used to gross me out - not because of the sights, but the >> sounds. >> >> This will disturb DBU, I'm sure, but something that's even worse is a >> cremation. At one point, the heat activates the nervous system, so the >> body starts a bunch of wild, involuntary (of course, since they're dead) >> movements. The body may actually sit up, and appear to be speaking. >> It's a horror show. Good thing the family doesn't usually witness it! >> >> *shudder* >> >> Natalie > > In Alberta, the law requires that the body be in a closed container when > inserted into the crematory. > That's probably true here too, but that would burn a lot more quickly than bone, I would think. Natalie |
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"EdV" Wickeddoll" > wrote: >> >> I re-read my original post, and realize I didn't mention that this >> description of cremation is *second-hand* A pathologist I knew in the >> 80s >> told me about it. If I had seen it myself, I would say so. >> >> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether this >> individual has some first-hand experience of his own. >> >> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see no >> reason >> for him to lie about that. >> >> Natalie > > Was it possible he was just trying to get inside your > > running and ducking > Too late... *fwap* He wasn't my type - at least 30 years older than me at the time. :-P Natalie |
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"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:fltnmi.3n8.1@news.evilcabal.org... > > "Jeff Strickland"... >> >> "Wickeddoll" .. >>> >>> "Dave L" <... >>>>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they were >>>>> holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Way cool! >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>>> >>>> >>>> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove >>>> up there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had no >>>> desire to go with him!). >>>> >>>> -Dave >>>> >>> >>> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did >>> that, rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen >>> them all. I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>> >>> :-) >>> >> >> >> NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool >> stuff that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat. >> >> PS >> I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain shooting >> down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed me >> precisely the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but now >> I know why. Very cool stuff. > > They explain how it's done, but it's still amazing. Can you imagine the > *time* it takes to pull out even the cauda equina (bundle of nerves at the > base of the spine, which resembles a horse's tail, hence the name). > > Had to take months! > > Natalie > So, do you suppose some sicko medical-types were sitting around one night with a bottle of vodka, and said to one another, "let's see how long it takes to unravel one of these." I was impressed with the nervous system and the circulatory system. It is cool that they can squirt a polymer into the blood veins, then eat the bone and muscle away, leaving the arteries and veins. It's amazing to me that anybody would think of even trying it. Maybe when the vodka ran out, then needed something new to do ... |
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"Jeff Strickland" ... > > "Wickeddoll" .. >>>> >>>> "Dave L" <... >>>>>> This is VERY cool. If you have not been, you ought to go. If they >>>>>> were holding it longer in my area, I would go again. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Way cool! >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure at least one of them drove a Toyota, or a Jeep ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Looks like the same one I went to in NYC a few years ago when I drove >>>>> up there to visit relatives. My cousin invited me to go (his gf had >>>>> no desire to go with him!). >>>>> >>>>> -Dave >>>>> >>>> >>>> As a medical person, I was more fascinated more with *how* they did >>>> that, rather than the display itself. Ya see one cadaver, you've seen >>>> them all. I bought some souvenir stuff there. >>>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>> >>> >>> NOT being a medical person, I was also amazed at the "how". The cool >>> stuff that the "how" exposed was interesting, but the HOW was very neat. >>> >>> PS >>> I have a spinal injury at L3/L4 (I think) and have constant pain >>> shooting down the outside of my left leg. The BODIES exhibition showed >>> me precisely the nerve bundle that causes the pain. It still hurts, but >>> now I know why. Very cool stuff. >> >> They explain how it's done, but it's still amazing. Can you imagine the >> *time* it takes to pull out even the cauda equina (bundle of nerves at >> the base of the spine, which resembles a horse's tail, hence the name). >> >> Had to take months! >> >> Natalie >> > > So, do you suppose some sicko medical-types were sitting around one night > with a bottle of vodka, and said to one another, "let's see how long it > takes to unravel one of these." LOL nah. I'm sure the preparation alone would be too complicated to do drunk. > > I was impressed with the nervous system and the circulatory system. It is > cool that they can squirt a polymer into the blood veins, then eat the > bone and muscle away, leaving the arteries and veins. It's amazing to me > that anybody would think of even trying it. Maybe when the vodka ran out, > then needed something new to do ... > > You nut - see above! Natalie |
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"Wickeddoll" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:fltq6a.4g.1@news.evilcabal.org... >> >> So, do you suppose some sicko medical-types were sitting around one night >> with a bottle of vodka, and said to one another, "let's see how long it >> takes to unravel one of these." > > LOL nah. I'm sure the preparation alone would be too complicated to do > drunk. >> >> I was impressed with the nervous system and the circulatory system. It is >> cool that they can squirt a polymer into the blood veins, then eat the >> bone and muscle away, leaving the arteries and veins. It's amazing to me >> that anybody would think of even trying it. Maybe when the vodka ran out, >> then needed something new to do ... >> >> > > You nut - see above! > > Natalie > In all seriousness, and due respect, the exhibit is very cool. The science of it is interesting beyond my words -- and I have plenty of them. |
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Wickeddoll wrote:
> "EdV" > Wickeddoll" >> wrote: >>> >>> I re-read my original post, and realize I didn't mention that this >>> description of cremation is *second-hand* A pathologist I knew in >>> the 80s >>> told me about it. If I had seen it myself, I would say so. >>> >>> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether >>> this individual has some first-hand experience of his own. >>> >>> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see >>> no >>> reason >>> for him to lie about that. >>> >>> Natalie >> >> Was it possible he was just trying to get inside your >> >> running and ducking >> > > Too late... > > *fwap* > > He wasn't my type - at least 30 years older than me at the time. And that is a problem because . . . ? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"J. Clarke" ... > Wickeddoll wrote: >> "EdV" >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I re-read my original post, and realize I didn't mention that this >>>> description of cremation is *second-hand* A pathologist I knew in >>>> the 80s >>>> told me about it. If I had seen it myself, I would say so. >>>> >>>> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether >>>> this individual has some first-hand experience of his own. >>>> >>>> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see >>>> no >>>> reason >>>> for him to lie about that. >>>> >>>> Natalie >>> >>> Was it possible he was just trying to get inside your >>> >>> running and ducking >>> >> >> Too late... >> >> *fwap* >> >> He wasn't my type - at least 30 years older than me at the time. > > And that is a problem because . . . ? > > -- > -- > --John Well, at the time, I was a 25-year-old. Hooking up with a guy my dad's age just wasn't of particular interest to me. I'll be 50 years old this year, and had I not gotten married by now, I don't think an 80-year-old would be appealing, either. I'm funny that way... Natalie |
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>Haven't you heard of postmortem movement in a corpse? Happens all the time. Every time I use the toilet and give birth... Ughh, I mean #2 I witness "postmortem movement" |
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>> AWESOME! >> Now that would be worth seeing! > >You're scary. > >A troll says it's not true, but he has yet to prove otherwise. > >Natalie > Hook me up with a location and I'll bring the popcorn! I think it would be very interesting to see a human doing the "Bacon" Ry' |
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> >In Alberta, the law requires that the body be in a closed container when >inserted into the crematory. I guess you could call that "Broil in the foil" |
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"Socks" ... > >> >>In Alberta, the law requires that the body be in a closed container when >>inserted into the crematory. > > I guess you could call that "Broil in the foil" You're not well. Not that there's anything wrong with that... Natalie |
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>So, do you suppose some sicko medical-types were sitting around one night >with a bottle of vodka, and said to one another, "let's see how long it >takes to unravel one of these." > >I was impressed with the nervous system and the circulatory system. It is >cool that they can squirt a polymer into the blood veins, then eat the bone >and muscle away, leaving the arteries and veins. It's amazing to me that >anybody would think of even trying it. Maybe when the vodka ran out, then >needed something new to do ... > One word. GERMAN |
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>You're not well. > >Not that there's anything wrong with that... > >Natalie > I'm an atheist and a Dutchman to boot. |
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A young Canadian soldier was attending some college courses between
assignments He had also completed missions in Afghanistan. One of the courses had a professor who was a vowed atheist. One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He Looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, 'God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes.' The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, 'Here I am God. I'm still waiting.' It got down to the last couple of minutes when the young soldier got out of his Chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold. The young man went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the soldier and asked, 'What the hell is the matter with! you? Why did you do that?' Came the reply, 'God was too busy today protecting our soldiers who are protecting your right to talk stupid and act like an -------. So, He sent me' -- God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:----------@----------.com http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm "Socks" <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:0416o3dl8omgt29k1bmeijbdhomv8gghb9@4ax.com... > > > > I'm an atheist and a Dutchman to boot. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Thanks God for Jeep, the ones made by Willys, and Ford.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:----------@----------.com http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm "Socks" <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:vo06o3he7budsfot8uakplf24ubgqkqlt3@4ax.com... > > > > One word. > > GERMAN -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Socks" <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:0416o3dl8omgt29k1bmeijbdhomv8gghb9@4ax.com... > >>You're not well. >> >>Not that there's anything wrong with that... >> >>Natalie >> > > > I'm an atheist and a Dutchman to boot. I thought all the Dutch were either devout Dutch Reformed or Catholic? Shouldn't your alias be "Wooden Shoes"? |
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message news:fltia502anv@news2.newsguy.com... > PeterD wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:41:11 -0500, "Wickeddoll" >> <wickeddollnofeckingspam1958@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> I can see how this reaction may happen, but I want to see whether >>> this individual has some first-hand experience of his own. >>> >>> The pathologist was a very brilliant and accomplished man - I see >>> no >>> reason for him to lie about that. >>> >>> Natalie >>> >> >> I will agree it is possible for the body to explode under certain >> curmstances where abdominal fluids boil creating steam that can't >> escape, but it is rare. > > Specially considering that one of the first things an undertaker does > is punch a vent pipe into the midsection. Ah, yes, the instrument known as a "trochar" sp?? > > -- > -- > --John > to email, dial "usenet" and validate > (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > > |
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>I thought all the Dutch were either devout Dutch Reformed or Catholic? >Shouldn't your alias be "Wooden Shoes"? That's funny! Actually there is a very high percentage of atheists in The Netherlands. |
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"Socks"... > >>I thought all the Dutch were either devout Dutch Reformed or Catholic? >>Shouldn't your alias be "Wooden Shoes"? > > That's funny! > > Actually there is a very high percentage of atheists in The > Netherlands. I believe that, since I've never met anyone from there who believed in God. Mind you, I'm *one* person, who has only met a few non-US people, either online or in person, so my experience means absolutely *squat.* I'm just saying I think Socks' comment seems true to me. Natalie |
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That was a good joke! |
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