switching JKs your thoughts?
10-14-2012, 10:00 PM
#12
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
I don't know what JK Rubicon you have driven but mine won't come near 30km/hr in 4lo. MAYBE if I have it buried to the redline in 5th or 6th, even then it's doubtful.
I'm also curious what are the obstacles your climbing that you need 4:1 lorange?
and as far as the strength of the axles it isn't my opinion it's fact, pick up a magazine or read some tech articles.
and since mine is a 2011 and there is no tuner to disable traction control in 4hi so I can get wheel spin to help threw mud and slop, yes, I DO need to be in 4lo when I'm off the pavement.
If you like I will post all kinds of links citing what I talk about as far as the strength of the axles right to the transfer case. the 2.73:1 (I believe that's thesahara t-case ratio) is more than enough for most people. And 5000 for a d44??? I see pairs of them for sale regularly for less than that.
I would love to see some pictures of where a "true off-road enthusiast" such as yourself wheels. I've owned jeeps and been around jeeps and offroading since I've been a kid. I'm not going to say I'm more hardcore than anyone hence me saying "in my opinion" (and the opinion of MANY other "true off-road enthusiasts") here is what I think.
Not every off-road enthusiast needs 4:1 lorange and selectable lockers. To me you sound like an ignorant punk who thinks bigger is better.
In my opinion of course.
I'm also curious what are the obstacles your climbing that you need 4:1 lorange?
and as far as the strength of the axles it isn't my opinion it's fact, pick up a magazine or read some tech articles.
and since mine is a 2011 and there is no tuner to disable traction control in 4hi so I can get wheel spin to help threw mud and slop, yes, I DO need to be in 4lo when I'm off the pavement.
If you like I will post all kinds of links citing what I talk about as far as the strength of the axles right to the transfer case. the 2.73:1 (I believe that's thesahara t-case ratio) is more than enough for most people. And 5000 for a d44??? I see pairs of them for sale regularly for less than that.
I would love to see some pictures of where a "true off-road enthusiast" such as yourself wheels. I've owned jeeps and been around jeeps and offroading since I've been a kid. I'm not going to say I'm more hardcore than anyone hence me saying "in my opinion" (and the opinion of MANY other "true off-road enthusiasts") here is what I think.
Not every off-road enthusiast needs 4:1 lorange and selectable lockers. To me you sound like an ignorant punk who thinks bigger is better.
In my opinion of course.
10-15-2012, 07:32 PM
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
Edited my original reply... Hope you don't find it as objectionable.
I still stand behind the usefulness of 4:1 low range. Everyone in the Jeep club I wheel with either has low gears... or wants them.
If you caught that not so great Jeep show "one car too far" one of the ways the D35 is lacking was demonstrated. If you shear an axle shaft... your tire falls off!! The doesn't happen with the D44. Google D44 vs D35 and you will see an endless supply of info about the "Dana turdy five" ... puny ring gear, c-clip axles, limited gear selection, axle tube flex ...
At any rate we can agree to disagree... without name calling. Lord knows it took some self discipline to not write A LOT more last night.
I still stand behind the usefulness of 4:1 low range. Everyone in the Jeep club I wheel with either has low gears... or wants them.
If you caught that not so great Jeep show "one car too far" one of the ways the D35 is lacking was demonstrated. If you shear an axle shaft... your tire falls off!! The doesn't happen with the D44. Google D44 vs D35 and you will see an endless supply of info about the "Dana turdy five" ... puny ring gear, c-clip axles, limited gear selection, axle tube flex ...
At any rate we can agree to disagree... without name calling. Lord knows it took some self discipline to not write A LOT more last night.
10-15-2012, 08:46 PM
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
I'm sure people will argue the strength of one vs the other but the jk tubes are the same on both axles, which is why I suggested he just got axle tubes and gussets for the kind of wheeling he would be doing. the way I understood the post was he isn't hardcore into wheeling was the reason I suggested that lol
and just to add I'm not disputing the point about everything in the carrier and the axle shafts I agree 100% in my first post I was only referring to the tubes/C's
and just to add I'm not disputing the point about everything in the carrier and the axle shafts I agree 100% in my first post I was only referring to the tubes/C's
10-17-2012, 10:48 PM
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
10-18-2012, 11:45 AM
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
wow... quite the back and forth here.
Based on the statement:
"i am looking to mod and do alot more off roading. will keep this jeep for the long run as i want to do nothing but trails and jeep drives."
I'd say that keeping the Sahara is the way to go. If you want to do a lot of modding, why get a rubicon?
How many times when wheeling do you plan on, or need to diso?
Are selectable lockers essential, or just desirable?
Based on the statement:
"i am looking to mod and do alot more off roading. will keep this jeep for the long run as i want to do nothing but trails and jeep drives."
I'd say that keeping the Sahara is the way to go. If you want to do a lot of modding, why get a rubicon?
How many times when wheeling do you plan on, or need to diso?
Are selectable lockers essential, or just desirable?
10-20-2012, 10:38 PM
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
Gussets and tubes are needed on both the D44 and D30 if you plan to wheel hard. As for lockers, a pair of lockrights are better then the electrolockers and swaybar disconnects are cheap..
If you were going from an 11 to 13 I would say go for it, but a 12 to 13, no dice..
Personally, when I get to that point where I seriously wheel my Jeep, the front diff will be swapped out for a complete Dynatrac unit.
10-22-2012, 08:01 AM
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
Couldn't disagree more... Guess it depends on how serious the trails are that you go on. I really don't understand the "4:1 being to low" opinion. You have 6 gears (with the manual - 5 with the auto) and can hit 30km/h easily... If you want to go faster than that you can likely switch to high range and 2wd!!
I find First gear and 4:1 low range is amazing when crawling through areas with many large rocks etc. It makes it a lot easier on your clutch or tc.
The D44 is WAY TOUGHER AND WORTH IT. It is an extremely expensive upgrade if you wanted to put one on your Sahara... ($5000 or so plus you can't even find them) but as part of the Rubicon package - it's a no-brainer in my opinion. And of course... Lockers kick ***!
I find First gear and 4:1 low range is amazing when crawling through areas with many large rocks etc. It makes it a lot easier on your clutch or tc.
The D44 is WAY TOUGHER AND WORTH IT. It is an extremely expensive upgrade if you wanted to put one on your Sahara... ($5000 or so plus you can't even find them) but as part of the Rubicon package - it's a no-brainer in my opinion. And of course... Lockers kick ***!
10-23-2012, 06:55 PM
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Re: switching JKs your thoughts?
" 4:1 transfer case IS too low for mudding. And that's not an opinion, its a fact. ". Says snakeyes76.
I think you need to look up the definition of the word "fact". Your are clearly stating an opinion - I guess it is because your opinion is based on your experiences with your rubicon that you somehow think makes it a "fact". The 4:1 is not "too low" because of one actual "fact"... YOU HAVE SIX GEARS!!! The buggies featured in hard core offroading magazines like Crawl have WAY LOWER transfer cases. I guess they don't know any facts about offroading.
I agree that the upgrade from 2012 Sahara to 2013 Rubicon wouldn't be as worth it since the 12 already has the new motor (as stated in my original reply). Basically the Sahara is "good enough". Most would still be wishing they had gone for the Rubicon though!! The Rubicon is a better base to start with for serious wheeling - unless you plan on changing the axles etc. If the modding planned is a lift kit, tires, fenders etc ... There is no $ wasted in upgrading to the Rubi.
I'm guessing there are a lot of people with buyers remorse over not making the right choice (Rubicon!) in the first place... Makes them feel better to think that the Rubi is "too slow" or "too tough" or maybe crawls up obstacles "too easily"??? Seriously people... Get a grip.
I think you need to look up the definition of the word "fact". Your are clearly stating an opinion - I guess it is because your opinion is based on your experiences with your rubicon that you somehow think makes it a "fact". The 4:1 is not "too low" because of one actual "fact"... YOU HAVE SIX GEARS!!! The buggies featured in hard core offroading magazines like Crawl have WAY LOWER transfer cases. I guess they don't know any facts about offroading.
I agree that the upgrade from 2012 Sahara to 2013 Rubicon wouldn't be as worth it since the 12 already has the new motor (as stated in my original reply). Basically the Sahara is "good enough". Most would still be wishing they had gone for the Rubicon though!! The Rubicon is a better base to start with for serious wheeling - unless you plan on changing the axles etc. If the modding planned is a lift kit, tires, fenders etc ... There is no $ wasted in upgrading to the Rubi.
I'm guessing there are a lot of people with buyers remorse over not making the right choice (Rubicon!) in the first place... Makes them feel better to think that the Rubi is "too slow" or "too tough" or maybe crawls up obstacles "too easily"??? Seriously people... Get a grip.