ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.

Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.

Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.

So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
How do you identify whether you've got this case?

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the upscale
ZJ models.

The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to the
nv242 SelecTrac

That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ

If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its ability
to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.

Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
choice of options and would be superior too boot.

The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier to
maintain the older 4.2 liters.

What do you plan to do with it?





"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15944BE.AC5E%nospam@nospam.com...
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been
> around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few
> people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are
> basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive
> it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ
> that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the upscale
ZJ models.

The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to the
nv242 SelecTrac

That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ

If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its ability
to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.

Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
choice of options and would be superior too boot.

The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier to
maintain the older 4.2 liters.

What do you plan to do with it?





"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15944BE.AC5E%nospam@nospam.com...
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been
> around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few
> people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are
> basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive
> it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ
> that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the upscale
ZJ models.

The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to the
nv242 SelecTrac

That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ

If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its ability
to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.

Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
choice of options and would be superior too boot.

The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier to
maintain the older 4.2 liters.

What do you plan to do with it?





"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C15944BE.AC5E%nospam@nospam.com...
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been
> around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few
> people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are
> basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive
> it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ
> that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The ZJ sometimes came with the aluminum cased "Dana 44". These are a
total POS, not suited to speed bumps at the mall, let alone anything
resembling off road.

--
jeff




Les wrote:
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The ZJ sometimes came with the aluminum cased "Dana 44". These are a
total POS, not suited to speed bumps at the mall, let alone anything
resembling off road.

--
jeff




Les wrote:
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The ZJ sometimes came with the aluminum cased "Dana 44". These are a
total POS, not suited to speed bumps at the mall, let alone anything
resembling off road.

--
jeff




Les wrote:
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

On 10/16/06 3:30 PM, in article 742a1$4533ec40$422afc51$1825@FUSE.NET,
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

> The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the upscale
> ZJ models.

Basically bells and whistle issues. Electric windows and what not?

>
> The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to the
> nv242 SelecTrac

Is there an easy way to identify the 2?

>
> That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ
>
> If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
> While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its ability
> to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.

Gee I feel kinda dumb now, but could you embellish a bit more. I read
something about that on a different site, and was a little confused. What is
the difference between the part time and full time selections on the 242? It
still has a 2wd selection, right? When I hear the term full time 4wd I think
all wheel drive, with no 2wd setting.
>
> Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
> choice of options and would be superior too boot.
>
> The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier to
> maintain the older 4.2 liters.

I will only be looking at 97 and up XJs, so the 4.2 need not apply.
>
> What do you plan to do with it?
>
Daily Driver. Maybe a 2" Budget Boost to accommodate some 31s that I have in
my garage. Not much wheeling. I'll be keeping the YJ for all that jazz.

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

On 10/16/06 3:30 PM, in article 742a1$4533ec40$422afc51$1825@FUSE.NET,
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

> The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the upscale
> ZJ models.

Basically bells and whistle issues. Electric windows and what not?

>
> The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to the
> nv242 SelecTrac

Is there an easy way to identify the 2?

>
> That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ
>
> If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
> While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its ability
> to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.

Gee I feel kinda dumb now, but could you embellish a bit more. I read
something about that on a different site, and was a little confused. What is
the difference between the part time and full time selections on the 242? It
still has a 2wd selection, right? When I hear the term full time 4wd I think
all wheel drive, with no 2wd setting.
>
> Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
> choice of options and would be superior too boot.
>
> The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier to
> maintain the older 4.2 liters.

I will only be looking at 97 and up XJs, so the 4.2 need not apply.
>
> What do you plan to do with it?
>
Daily Driver. Maybe a 2" Budget Boost to accommodate some 31s that I have in
my garage. Not much wheeling. I'll be keeping the YJ for all that jazz.

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

On 10/16/06 3:30 PM, in article 742a1$4533ec40$422afc51$1825@FUSE.NET,
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

> The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the upscale
> ZJ models.

Basically bells and whistle issues. Electric windows and what not?

>
> The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to the
> nv242 SelecTrac

Is there an easy way to identify the 2?

>
> That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ
>
> If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
> While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its ability
> to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.

Gee I feel kinda dumb now, but could you embellish a bit more. I read
something about that on a different site, and was a little confused. What is
the difference between the part time and full time selections on the 242? It
still has a 2wd selection, right? When I hear the term full time 4wd I think
all wheel drive, with no 2wd setting.
>
> Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
> choice of options and would be superior too boot.
>
> The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier to
> maintain the older 4.2 liters.

I will only be looking at 97 and up XJs, so the 4.2 need not apply.
>
> What do you plan to do with it?
>
Daily Driver. Maybe a 2" Budget Boost to accommodate some 31s that I have in
my garage. Not much wheeling. I'll be keeping the YJ for all that jazz.

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

On 10/16/06 3:51 PM, in article LhSYg.1997$9z6.1616@trndny03, "jeff"
<jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote:

> The ZJ sometimes came with the aluminum cased "Dana 44". These are a
> total POS, not suited to speed bumps at the mall, let alone anything
> resembling off road.

I'll definitely keep an eye out for that. On the other hand scrap aluminum
is at an all time high :)

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

On 10/16/06 3:51 PM, in article LhSYg.1997$9z6.1616@trndny03, "jeff"
<jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote:

> The ZJ sometimes came with the aluminum cased "Dana 44". These are a
> total POS, not suited to speed bumps at the mall, let alone anything
> resembling off road.

I'll definitely keep an eye out for that. On the other hand scrap aluminum
is at an all time high :)

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

On 10/16/06 3:51 PM, in article LhSYg.1997$9z6.1616@trndny03, "jeff"
<jalowe44INVALID@hotmail.com.INVALID> wrote:

> The ZJ sometimes came with the aluminum cased "Dana 44". These are a
> total POS, not suited to speed bumps at the mall, let alone anything
> resembling off road.

I'll definitely keep an eye out for that. On the other hand scrap aluminum
is at an all time high :)

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> > The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
the
> > nv242 SelecTrac
>
> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?


A 249 has three positions on the transfer case shift lever. 4 hi, neutral,
and 4 low.

A 242 has five: 2 hi, 4 part time, 4 full time, neutral, and 4 low.

A 231 has four: 2 hi, 4 part time, neutral, and 4 low.

The 249 is an AWD transfer case with a troublesome viscous coupler to divert
power between the front and rear axles. The 231 is a bit stonger than a 242
(marginally, depending on opinion), but lacks the full time 4wd setting that
can be used on dry pavement.



--
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Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> > The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
the
> > nv242 SelecTrac
>
> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?


A 249 has three positions on the transfer case shift lever. 4 hi, neutral,
and 4 low.

A 242 has five: 2 hi, 4 part time, 4 full time, neutral, and 4 low.

A 231 has four: 2 hi, 4 part time, neutral, and 4 low.

The 249 is an AWD transfer case with a troublesome viscous coupler to divert
power between the front and rear axles. The 231 is a bit stonger than a 242
(marginally, depending on opinion), but lacks the full time 4wd setting that
can be used on dry pavement.



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> > The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
the
> > nv242 SelecTrac
>
> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?


A 249 has three positions on the transfer case shift lever. 4 hi, neutral,
and 4 low.

A 242 has five: 2 hi, 4 part time, 4 full time, neutral, and 4 low.

A 231 has four: 2 hi, 4 part time, neutral, and 4 low.

The 249 is an AWD transfer case with a troublesome viscous coupler to divert
power between the front and rear axles. The 231 is a bit stonger than a 242
(marginally, depending on opinion), but lacks the full time 4wd setting that
can be used on dry pavement.



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

My quick 2 cents, the ZJ is great if you want more luxery and a V8 but
that's the only thing recommending it.

The XJ on the other hand is arguably one of the most well designed
all-purpose utility vehicles ever... It's light, reliable the 4.0 has
plenty of power, good MPG ( mid 20's highway MPG compares to most V6
cars... a Toyota Camery V6 only gets 1 or 2MPG better) plenty of room
and they're damn cheap, I mean they are just dirt cheap right now.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

My quick 2 cents, the ZJ is great if you want more luxery and a V8 but
that's the only thing recommending it.

The XJ on the other hand is arguably one of the most well designed
all-purpose utility vehicles ever... It's light, reliable the 4.0 has
plenty of power, good MPG ( mid 20's highway MPG compares to most V6
cars... a Toyota Camery V6 only gets 1 or 2MPG better) plenty of room
and they're damn cheap, I mean they are just dirt cheap right now.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

My quick 2 cents, the ZJ is great if you want more luxery and a V8 but
that's the only thing recommending it.

The XJ on the other hand is arguably one of the most well designed
all-purpose utility vehicles ever... It's light, reliable the 4.0 has
plenty of power, good MPG ( mid 20's highway MPG compares to most V6
cars... a Toyota Camery V6 only gets 1 or 2MPG better) plenty of room
and they're damn cheap, I mean they are just dirt cheap right now.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the shifter
bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341

For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac (nv231)
and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.

*The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited applications, my
opinion is I would rather have the ability to have a true 4WD anytime than
the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)




"SBlackfoot" <trypticon@sympatico.obvious.ca> wrote in message
news:4534047e$0$19734$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
> the
>> > nv242 SelecTrac
>>
>> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?
>
>
> A 249 has three positions on the transfer case shift lever. 4 hi, neutral,
> and 4 low.
>
> A 242 has five: 2 hi, 4 part time, 4 full time, neutral, and 4 low.
>
> A 231 has four: 2 hi, 4 part time, neutral, and 4 low.
>
> The 249 is an AWD transfer case with a troublesome viscous coupler to
> divert
> power between the front and rear axles. The 231 is a bit stonger than a
> 242
> (marginally, depending on opinion), but lacks the full time 4wd setting
> that
> can be used on dry pavement.
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the shifter
bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341

For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac (nv231)
and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.

*The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited applications, my
opinion is I would rather have the ability to have a true 4WD anytime than
the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)




"SBlackfoot" <trypticon@sympatico.obvious.ca> wrote in message
news:4534047e$0$19734$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
> the
>> > nv242 SelecTrac
>>
>> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?
>
>
> A 249 has three positions on the transfer case shift lever. 4 hi, neutral,
> and 4 low.
>
> A 242 has five: 2 hi, 4 part time, 4 full time, neutral, and 4 low.
>
> A 231 has four: 2 hi, 4 part time, neutral, and 4 low.
>
> The 249 is an AWD transfer case with a troublesome viscous coupler to
> divert
> power between the front and rear axles. The 231 is a bit stonger than a
> 242
> (marginally, depending on opinion), but lacks the full time 4wd setting
> that
> can be used on dry pavement.
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the shifter
bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341

For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac (nv231)
and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.

*The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited applications, my
opinion is I would rather have the ability to have a true 4WD anytime than
the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)




"SBlackfoot" <trypticon@sympatico.obvious.ca> wrote in message
news:4534047e$0$19734$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
> the
>> > nv242 SelecTrac
>>
>> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?
>
>
> A 249 has three positions on the transfer case shift lever. 4 hi, neutral,
> and 4 low.
>
> A 242 has five: 2 hi, 4 part time, 4 full time, neutral, and 4 low.
>
> A 231 has four: 2 hi, 4 part time, neutral, and 4 low.
>
> The 249 is an AWD transfer case with a troublesome viscous coupler to
> divert
> power between the front and rear axles. The 231 is a bit stonger than a
> 242
> (marginally, depending on opinion), but lacks the full time 4wd setting
> that
> can be used on dry pavement.
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C1595E46.AE1B%nospam@nospam.com...
>
>
> On 10/16/06 3:30 PM, in article 742a1$4533ec40$422afc51$1825@FUSE.NET,
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>> The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the
>> upscale
>> ZJ models.
>
> Basically bells and whistle issues. Electric windows and what not?

More the whatnot..... the automatic temperature control is troublesome and
costs about $1000 to fix ($2 parts, $998 labor)
>
>>
>> The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
>> the
>> nv242 SelecTrac
>
> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?


The differences were described in another post but I will add that the nv242
(SelecTrac) is a true 4WD, the nv249 (and later 147 and 247s) are AWD where
the majority of power goes to the rear wheels and power is sent to the front
when the vehicles wants to.... you really have limited control.

With the nv242 you select 2WD or 4WD yourself. In addition the transfer
case is gear and chain driven not the gerorotator pumps and clutches
http://www.wjjeeps.com/nv242_1.jpg

>
>>
>> That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ
>>
>> If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
>> While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its
>> ability
>> to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.
>
> Gee I feel kinda dumb now, but could you embellish a bit more. I read
> something about that on a different site, and was a little confused. What
> is
> the difference between the part time and full time selections on the 242?
> It
> still has a 2wd selection, right? When I hear the term full time 4wd I
> think
> all wheel drive, with no 2wd setting.
>>
>> Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
>> choice of options and would be superior too boot.
>>
>> The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier
>> to
>> maintain the older 4.2 liters.
>
> I will only be looking at 97 and up XJs, so the 4.2 need not apply.
>>
>> What do you plan to do with it?
>>
> Daily Driver. Maybe a 2" Budget Boost to accommodate some 31s that I have
> in
> my garage. Not much wheeling. I'll be keeping the YJ for all that jazz.
>

I would opt for the ZJ given that criteria.

FWIW: with the most recent purchase I intended to get a newer XJ or a couple
year old ZJ and ended up with a WJ because it was in good shape and the
price was right.

>
>
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C1595E46.AE1B%nospam@nospam.com...
>
>
> On 10/16/06 3:30 PM, in article 742a1$4533ec40$422afc51$1825@FUSE.NET,
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>> The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the
>> upscale
>> ZJ models.
>
> Basically bells and whistle issues. Electric windows and what not?

More the whatnot..... the automatic temperature control is troublesome and
costs about $1000 to fix ($2 parts, $998 labor)
>
>>
>> The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
>> the
>> nv242 SelecTrac
>
> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?


The differences were described in another post but I will add that the nv242
(SelecTrac) is a true 4WD, the nv249 (and later 147 and 247s) are AWD where
the majority of power goes to the rear wheels and power is sent to the front
when the vehicles wants to.... you really have limited control.

With the nv242 you select 2WD or 4WD yourself. In addition the transfer
case is gear and chain driven not the gerorotator pumps and clutches
http://www.wjjeeps.com/nv242_1.jpg

>
>>
>> That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ
>>
>> If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
>> While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its
>> ability
>> to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.
>
> Gee I feel kinda dumb now, but could you embellish a bit more. I read
> something about that on a different site, and was a little confused. What
> is
> the difference between the part time and full time selections on the 242?
> It
> still has a 2wd selection, right? When I hear the term full time 4wd I
> think
> all wheel drive, with no 2wd setting.
>>
>> Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
>> choice of options and would be superior too boot.
>>
>> The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier
>> to
>> maintain the older 4.2 liters.
>
> I will only be looking at 97 and up XJs, so the 4.2 need not apply.
>>
>> What do you plan to do with it?
>>
> Daily Driver. Maybe a 2" Budget Boost to accommodate some 31s that I have
> in
> my garage. Not much wheeling. I'll be keeping the YJ for all that jazz.
>

I would opt for the ZJ given that criteria.

FWIW: with the most recent purchase I intended to get a newer XJ or a couple
year old ZJ and ended up with a WJ because it was in good shape and the
price was right.

>
>
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

"Les" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:C1595E46.AE1B%nospam@nospam.com...
>
>
> On 10/16/06 3:30 PM, in article 742a1$4533ec40$422afc51$1825@FUSE.NET,
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>> The problems come with the doo dads, gee gaw, and bling bling on the
>> upscale
>> ZJ models.
>
> Basically bells and whistle issues. Electric windows and what not?

More the whatnot..... the automatic temperature control is troublesome and
costs about $1000 to fix ($2 parts, $998 labor)
>
>>
>> The NP249 AWD transfer case is a troublesource, restrict your search to
>> the
>> nv242 SelecTrac
>
> Is there an easy way to identify the 2?


The differences were described in another post but I will add that the nv242
(SelecTrac) is a true 4WD, the nv249 (and later 147 and 247s) are AWD where
the majority of power goes to the rear wheels and power is sent to the front
when the vehicles wants to.... you really have limited control.

With the nv242 you select 2WD or 4WD yourself. In addition the transfer
case is gear and chain driven not the gerorotator pumps and clutches
http://www.wjjeeps.com/nv242_1.jpg

>
>>
>> That being said the ZJ offer superior ride and handling to the XJ
>>
>> If you get an XJ look for a model with the NV242 SelecTrac transfer case.
>> While it is a bit inferior to the nv231 (when in part time 4WD) its
>> ability
>> to use full time 4WD make it a better choice in my poor opinion.
>
> Gee I feel kinda dumb now, but could you embellish a bit more. I read
> something about that on a different site, and was a little confused. What
> is
> the difference between the part time and full time selections on the 242?
> It
> still has a 2wd selection, right? When I hear the term full time 4wd I
> think
> all wheel drive, with no 2wd setting.
>>
>> Both models can be customized for off-road use, the XJ has a far better
>> choice of options and would be superior too boot.
>>
>> The later XJs with the 4 liter engine are stronger and, perhaps, easier
>> to
>> maintain the older 4.2 liters.
>
> I will only be looking at 97 and up XJs, so the 4.2 need not apply.
>>
>> What do you plan to do with it?
>>
> Daily Driver. Maybe a 2" Budget Boost to accommodate some 31s that I have
> in
> my garage. Not much wheeling. I'll be keeping the YJ for all that jazz.
>

I would opt for the ZJ given that criteria.

FWIW: with the most recent purchase I intended to get a newer XJ or a couple
year old ZJ and ended up with a WJ because it was in good shape and the
price was right.

>
>
>
>

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

I had a '96 ZJ for a long while and was very happy with it. It needed
no repairs that were out of the ordinary for a Jeep (radiator, fuel
pump, sway bar links).

Mine had all the scary options that people complain about:

Full time 4wd: Never had a problem.
Aluminum Dana 44: Never had a problem (and I towed with it a lot).
Automatic Trans: Never had a problem (and I towed with it a lot, but I
installed a shift kit).
All power options: Almost never had a problem - driver seat heater
quit and the memory mirrors were funky.

If you get a ZJ, get a V8. The mileage and reliability is the same as
the I6 but it has much more power. With the tires at max inflation, I
could hit 22mpg on the highway. Average mileage was 18-20. I'd also
recommend a Limited over a Laredo since the used prices are nearly the
same and you get more gizmos to play with.

-rev



Les wrote:
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

I had a '96 ZJ for a long while and was very happy with it. It needed
no repairs that were out of the ordinary for a Jeep (radiator, fuel
pump, sway bar links).

Mine had all the scary options that people complain about:

Full time 4wd: Never had a problem.
Aluminum Dana 44: Never had a problem (and I towed with it a lot).
Automatic Trans: Never had a problem (and I towed with it a lot, but I
installed a shift kit).
All power options: Almost never had a problem - driver seat heater
quit and the memory mirrors were funky.

If you get a ZJ, get a V8. The mileage and reliability is the same as
the I6 but it has much more power. With the tires at max inflation, I
could hit 22mpg on the highway. Average mileage was 18-20. I'd also
recommend a Limited over a Laredo since the used prices are nearly the
same and you get more gizmos to play with.

-rev



Les wrote:
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

I had a '96 ZJ for a long while and was very happy with it. It needed
no repairs that were out of the ordinary for a Jeep (radiator, fuel
pump, sway bar links).

Mine had all the scary options that people complain about:

Full time 4wd: Never had a problem.
Aluminum Dana 44: Never had a problem (and I towed with it a lot).
Automatic Trans: Never had a problem (and I towed with it a lot, but I
installed a shift kit).
All power options: Almost never had a problem - driver seat heater
quit and the memory mirrors were funky.

If you get a ZJ, get a V8. The mileage and reliability is the same as
the I6 but it has much more power. With the tires at max inflation, I
could hit 22mpg on the highway. Average mileage was 18-20. I'd also
recommend a Limited over a Laredo since the used prices are nearly the
same and you get more gizmos to play with.

-rev



Les wrote:
> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.
>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.
>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

Les proclaimed:

> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.

One problem with the ZJ is the auto climate controls and associated
stuff...if that ever goes out, the labor costs are horrid. Some folks
never have trouble, some do.


>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.

The ZJ is more aero than the YJ, but kinda like comparing s sloped brick
to a brick. I've never gotten as bad as 12 mpg unless I am offroad in
lower range for long. Around town with fairly moderate hotrodding I get
in the 14 range. This is on streets and mixed expressways where you can
run it up to 45-50 and get the torque converter locked up nicely. For
freeway cruising at speeds from 65-80, I get about 20-22 depending on
gas brand, heat, and time of year [lower in winter]. Only non-factory
mod is a cat back.

>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.

Except as the speed goes up the better body shape of the ZJ helps. A
bit. The ZJ is pretty light as well.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?

Depends on what you plan to do with it.
You can get the part time 4 wheel drive which is arguably better for
mileage and still available when you need it. This one has 2 hi, 4 hi,
4lo positions. Or you can get the full time which has only 4 high and 4
low. I get the 14-22 mpg with the full time.

The ZJ can be turned into a good dual use machine, put some Edelbrock or
Ranch adjustables on it and you have a fairly decent highway machine
that still can go offroad to a good portion of the trails that the more
capable wranglers can go--and get back to the road at the end.

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

Les proclaimed:

> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.

One problem with the ZJ is the auto climate controls and associated
stuff...if that ever goes out, the labor costs are horrid. Some folks
never have trouble, some do.


>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.

The ZJ is more aero than the YJ, but kinda like comparing s sloped brick
to a brick. I've never gotten as bad as 12 mpg unless I am offroad in
lower range for long. Around town with fairly moderate hotrodding I get
in the 14 range. This is on streets and mixed expressways where you can
run it up to 45-50 and get the torque converter locked up nicely. For
freeway cruising at speeds from 65-80, I get about 20-22 depending on
gas brand, heat, and time of year [lower in winter]. Only non-factory
mod is a cat back.

>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.

Except as the speed goes up the better body shape of the ZJ helps. A
bit. The ZJ is pretty light as well.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?

Depends on what you plan to do with it.
You can get the part time 4 wheel drive which is arguably better for
mileage and still available when you need it. This one has 2 hi, 4 hi,
4lo positions. Or you can get the full time which has only 4 high and 4
low. I get the 14-22 mpg with the full time.

The ZJ can be turned into a good dual use machine, put some Edelbrock or
Ranch adjustables on it and you have a fairly decent highway machine
that still can go offroad to a good portion of the trails that the more
capable wranglers can go--and get back to the road at the end.

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

Les proclaimed:

> I'm a long time YJ owner, and need something bigger. I've been looking
> around at 4.0L ZJs and XJs . Most everything in my price range has higher
> miles, which doesn't necessarily bother me. I've had 2 YJs with over 150K
> each and the 4.0 is probably the most reliable engine I've ever been around.

One problem with the ZJ is the auto climate controls and associated
stuff...if that ever goes out, the labor costs are horrid. Some folks
never have trouble, some do.


>
> Basically I'm getting a mixed bag of opinions regarding the ZJ. A few people
> say they are plenty reliable, but I'm hearing a lot of stories of transfer
> case/transmission problems & electrical gremlins galore. Also what is a
> typical MPG for a 4.0L ZJ. I'm hearing of reports of 12mpg to 18mpg.

The ZJ is more aero than the YJ, but kinda like comparing s sloped brick
to a brick. I've never gotten as bad as 12 mpg unless I am offroad in
lower range for long. Around town with fairly moderate hotrodding I get
in the 14 range. This is on streets and mixed expressways where you can
run it up to 45-50 and get the torque converter locked up nicely. For
freeway cruising at speeds from 65-80, I get about 20-22 depending on
gas brand, heat, and time of year [lower in winter]. Only non-factory
mod is a cat back.

>
> Pretty much everything I'm hearing from XJ owners is that they are basically
> bulletproof and pretty much rock solid. Take care of it and you can drive it
> forever. Weighs less than the ZJ, so better power and better mileage.

Except as the speed goes up the better body shape of the ZJ helps. A
bit. The ZJ is pretty light as well.
>
> So in additions to general opinions, is there anything specific in a ZJ that
> I should look for. Is it the quadratrac transfer case that is the bad one?
> How do you identify whether you've got this case?

Depends on what you plan to do with it.
You can get the part time 4 wheel drive which is arguably better for
mileage and still available when you need it. This one has 2 hi, 4 hi,
4lo positions. Or you can get the full time which has only 4 high and 4
low. I get the 14-22 mpg with the full time.

The ZJ can be turned into a good dual use machine, put some Edelbrock or
Ranch adjustables on it and you have a fairly decent highway machine
that still can go offroad to a good portion of the trails that the more
capable wranglers can go--and get back to the road at the end.

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the shifter
> bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341


On my '93 ZJ the bezel doesn't mention the name of the t-case. However, the
sun visor does. ;)


> For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac
(nv231)
> and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.
>
> *The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited applications, my
> opinion is I would rather have the ability to have a true 4WD anytime than
> the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)


The part time on the 231 should behave exactly like the part time on the
242. It may be slightly beefier but the performance should be identical.



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Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the shifter
> bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341


On my '93 ZJ the bezel doesn't mention the name of the t-case. However, the
sun visor does. ;)


> For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac
(nv231)
> and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.
>
> *The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited applications, my
> opinion is I would rather have the ability to have a true 4WD anytime than
> the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)


The part time on the 231 should behave exactly like the part time on the
242. It may be slightly beefier but the performance should be identical.



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Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the shifter
> bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341


On my '93 ZJ the bezel doesn't mention the name of the t-case. However, the
sun visor does. ;)


> For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac
(nv231)
> and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.
>
> *The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited applications, my
> opinion is I would rather have the ability to have a true 4WD anytime than
> the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)


The part time on the 231 should behave exactly like the part time on the
242. It may be slightly beefier but the performance should be identical.



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Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

SBlackfoot wrote:
>> The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the
>> shifter bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.
>>
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341
>
>
> On my '93 ZJ the bezel doesn't mention the name of the t-case.
> However, the sun visor does. ;)
>
>
>> For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac
>> (nv231) and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.
>>
>> *The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited
>> applications, my opinion is I would rather have the ability to have
>> a true 4WD anytime than the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)
>
>
> The part time on the 231 should behave exactly like the part time on
> the 242. It may be slightly beefier but the performance should be
> identical.

FWIW, I've beaten the daylights out of my Quadratrack (249) and found
it quite capable on loose dirt and switchbacks. Lack of proper ground
clearance (and skid plates) keeps me off the rocky bits. Later models
(I think) have a low range lock. Mine is limited slip in both high
and low.

--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

SBlackfoot wrote:
>> The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the
>> shifter bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.
>>
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341
>
>
> On my '93 ZJ the bezel doesn't mention the name of the t-case.
> However, the sun visor does. ;)
>
>
>> For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac
>> (nv231) and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.
>>
>> *The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited
>> applications, my opinion is I would rather have the ability to have
>> a true 4WD anytime than the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)
>
>
> The part time on the 231 should behave exactly like the part time on
> the 242. It may be slightly beefier but the performance should be
> identical.

FWIW, I've beaten the daylights out of my Quadratrack (249) and found
it quite capable on loose dirt and switchbacks. Lack of proper ground
clearance (and skid plates) keeps me off the rocky bits. Later models
(I think) have a low range lock. Mine is limited slip in both high
and low.

--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!

Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

SBlackfoot wrote:
>> The name of the transfer case is usually on plate attached to the
>> shifter bezel. There are others, I haven't uploaded them recently.
>>
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118160341
>
>
> On my '93 ZJ the bezel doesn't mention the name of the t-case.
> However, the sun visor does. ;)
>
>
>> For general intents and purposes* the part time of the Command Trac
>> (nv231) and the part time of the SelecTrac (nv242) is the same.
>>
>> *The part time on the nv231 is a bit superior in limited
>> applications, my opinion is I would rather have the ability to have
>> a true 4WD anytime than the slight off-road edge. (I've had both TCs)
>
>
> The part time on the 231 should behave exactly like the part time on
> the 242. It may be slightly beefier but the performance should be
> identical.

FWIW, I've beaten the daylights out of my Quadratrack (249) and found
it quite capable on loose dirt and switchbacks. Lack of proper ground
clearance (and skid plates) keeps me off the rocky bits. Later models
(I think) have a low range lock. Mine is limited slip in both high
and low.

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Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> FWIW, I've beaten the daylights out of my Quadratrack (249) and found
> it quite capable on loose dirt and switchbacks. Lack of proper ground
> clearance (and skid plates) keeps me off the rocky bits. Later models
> (I think) have a low range lock. Mine is limited slip in both high
> and low.


'96 and up 249s lock up in 4 low.

They'd be a good transfer case if it wasn't for the viscous coupler. When
they go out it's an expensive repair.



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Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> FWIW, I've beaten the daylights out of my Quadratrack (249) and found
> it quite capable on loose dirt and switchbacks. Lack of proper ground
> clearance (and skid plates) keeps me off the rocky bits. Later models
> (I think) have a low range lock. Mine is limited slip in both high
> and low.


'96 and up 249s lock up in 4 low.

They'd be a good transfer case if it wasn't for the viscous coupler. When
they go out it's an expensive repair.



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Re: ZJ vs. XJ - General Opinions and advice wanted
 

> FWIW, I've beaten the daylights out of my Quadratrack (249) and found
> it quite capable on loose dirt and switchbacks. Lack of proper ground
> clearance (and skid plates) keeps me off the rocky bits. Later models
> (I think) have a low range lock. Mine is limited slip in both high
> and low.


'96 and up 249s lock up in 4 low.

They'd be a good transfer case if it wasn't for the viscous coupler. When
they go out it's an expensive repair.



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