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Re: Winter Fun
Mike,
Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. Having Fun, Brett Mike Romain wrote: > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > a snowstorm! > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > ends for this. > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > differential. > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > naturally. > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > isn't always a good thing to do. > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > too..... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Brett Ryan wrote: >> Question, >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >> arrived in Texas. >> >> Having Fun, >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing.
It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > Mike, > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > Having Fun, > Brett > > Mike Romain wrote: > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > a snowstorm! > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > ends for this. > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > differential. > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > naturally. > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > too..... > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > >> arrived in Texas. > > >> Having Fun, > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing.
It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > Mike, > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > Having Fun, > Brett > > Mike Romain wrote: > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > a snowstorm! > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > ends for this. > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > differential. > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > naturally. > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > too..... > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > >> arrived in Texas. > > >> Having Fun, > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing.
It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > Mike, > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > Having Fun, > Brett > > Mike Romain wrote: > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > a snowstorm! > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > ends for this. > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > differential. > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > naturally. > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > too..... > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > >> arrived in Texas. > > >> Having Fun, > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing.
It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > Mike, > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > Having Fun, > Brett > > Mike Romain wrote: > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > a snowstorm! > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > ends for this. > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > differential. > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > naturally. > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > too..... > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > >> arrived in Texas. > > >> Having Fun, > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
Brett Ryan proclaimed:
> Question, > How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > can drive, but really can't, get into. > I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > find out that it does not make a difference. > Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > arrived in Texas. The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. |
Re: Winter Fun
Brett Ryan proclaimed:
> Question, > How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > can drive, but really can't, get into. > I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > find out that it does not make a difference. > Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > arrived in Texas. The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. |
Re: Winter Fun
Brett Ryan proclaimed:
> Question, > How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > can drive, but really can't, get into. > I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > find out that it does not make a difference. > Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > arrived in Texas. The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. |
Re: Winter Fun
Brett Ryan proclaimed:
> Question, > How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > can drive, but really can't, get into. > I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > find out that it does not make a difference. > Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > arrived in Texas. The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. |
Re: Winter Fun
This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some
snow. It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. &^#&^%$ global warming... (sorry mom) On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > Mike, > > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > > Having Fun, > > Brett > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > > a snowstorm! > > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > > ends for this. > > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > > differential. > > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > > naturally. > > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > > too..... > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > > >> Question, > > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > > >> arrived in Texas. > > > >> Having Fun, > > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some
snow. It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. &^#&^%$ global warming... (sorry mom) On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > Mike, > > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > > Having Fun, > > Brett > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > > a snowstorm! > > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > > ends for this. > > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > > differential. > > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > > naturally. > > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > > too..... > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > > >> Question, > > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > > >> arrived in Texas. > > > >> Having Fun, > > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some
snow. It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. &^#&^%$ global warming... (sorry mom) On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > Mike, > > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > > Having Fun, > > Brett > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > > a snowstorm! > > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > > ends for this. > > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > > differential. > > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > > naturally. > > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > > too..... > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > > >> Question, > > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > > >> arrived in Texas. > > > >> Having Fun, > > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some
snow. It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. &^#&^%$ global warming... (sorry mom) On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > Mike, > > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that > > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. > > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around > > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. > > > Having Fun, > > Brett > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other > > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. > > > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the > > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding > > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like > > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for > > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use > > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in > > > a snowstorm! > > > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked > > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in > > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. > > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is > > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping > > > ends for this. > > > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... > > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center > > > differential. > > > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways > > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the > > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. > > > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed > > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other > > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to > > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes > > > naturally. > > > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy > > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to > > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 > > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear > > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the > > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants > > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which > > > isn't always a good thing to do. > > > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to > > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. > > > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's > > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the > > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in > > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or > > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. > > > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, > > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break > > > too..... > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Brett Ryan wrote: > > >> Question, > > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions > > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think > > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. > > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy > > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control > > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. > > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have > > >> arrived in Texas. > > > >> Having Fun, > > >> Brett |
Re: Winter Fun
If it makes you feel better, go to www.weather.com and type in Rathdrum, ID.
Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > snow. > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > (sorry mom) > > On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >> Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. >> It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. >> Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. >> >> On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor >> > driving that >> > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> > Having Fun, >> > Brett >> >> > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >> > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >> >> > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >> > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or >> > > avoiding >> > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >> > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >> > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >> > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road >> > > in >> > > a snowstorm! >> >> > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are >> > > locked >> > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes >> > > in >> > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >> > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that >> > > is >> > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >> > > ends for this. >> >> > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock >> > > up... >> > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >> > > differential. >> >> > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >> > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off >> > > the >> > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. >> >> > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal >> > > speed >> > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any >> > > other >> > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back >> > > to >> > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >> > > naturally. >> >> > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >> > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 >> > > to >> > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT >> > > 4x4 >> > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >> > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >> > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just >> > > wants >> > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab >> > > which >> > > isn't always a good thing to do. >> >> > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow >> > > to >> > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >> >> > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of >> > > SUV's >> > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >> > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 >> > > in >> > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time >> > > or >> > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. >> >> > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >> > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a >> > > break >> > > too..... >> >> > > Mike >> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > Brett Ryan wrote: >> > >> Question, >> > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who >> > >> own >> > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >> > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >> > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >> > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >> > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >> > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >> > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >> > >> arrived in Texas. >> >> > >> Having Fun, >> > >> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
If it makes you feel better, go to www.weather.com and type in Rathdrum, ID.
Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > snow. > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > (sorry mom) > > On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >> Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. >> It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. >> Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. >> >> On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor >> > driving that >> > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> > Having Fun, >> > Brett >> >> > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >> > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >> >> > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >> > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or >> > > avoiding >> > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >> > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >> > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >> > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road >> > > in >> > > a snowstorm! >> >> > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are >> > > locked >> > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes >> > > in >> > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >> > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that >> > > is >> > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >> > > ends for this. >> >> > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock >> > > up... >> > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >> > > differential. >> >> > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >> > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off >> > > the >> > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. >> >> > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal >> > > speed >> > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any >> > > other >> > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back >> > > to >> > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >> > > naturally. >> >> > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >> > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 >> > > to >> > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT >> > > 4x4 >> > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >> > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >> > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just >> > > wants >> > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab >> > > which >> > > isn't always a good thing to do. >> >> > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow >> > > to >> > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >> >> > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of >> > > SUV's >> > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >> > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 >> > > in >> > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time >> > > or >> > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. >> >> > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >> > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a >> > > break >> > > too..... >> >> > > Mike >> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > Brett Ryan wrote: >> > >> Question, >> > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who >> > >> own >> > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >> > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >> > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >> > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >> > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >> > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >> > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >> > >> arrived in Texas. >> >> > >> Having Fun, >> > >> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
If it makes you feel better, go to www.weather.com and type in Rathdrum, ID.
Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > snow. > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > (sorry mom) > > On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >> Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. >> It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. >> Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. >> >> On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor >> > driving that >> > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> > Having Fun, >> > Brett >> >> > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >> > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >> >> > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >> > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or >> > > avoiding >> > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >> > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >> > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >> > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road >> > > in >> > > a snowstorm! >> >> > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are >> > > locked >> > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes >> > > in >> > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >> > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that >> > > is >> > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >> > > ends for this. >> >> > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock >> > > up... >> > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >> > > differential. >> >> > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >> > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off >> > > the >> > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. >> >> > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal >> > > speed >> > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any >> > > other >> > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back >> > > to >> > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >> > > naturally. >> >> > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >> > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 >> > > to >> > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT >> > > 4x4 >> > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >> > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >> > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just >> > > wants >> > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab >> > > which >> > > isn't always a good thing to do. >> >> > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow >> > > to >> > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >> >> > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of >> > > SUV's >> > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >> > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 >> > > in >> > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time >> > > or >> > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. >> >> > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >> > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a >> > > break >> > > too..... >> >> > > Mike >> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > Brett Ryan wrote: >> > >> Question, >> > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who >> > >> own >> > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >> > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >> > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >> > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >> > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >> > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >> > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >> > >> arrived in Texas. >> >> > >> Having Fun, >> > >> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
If it makes you feel better, go to www.weather.com and type in Rathdrum, ID.
Carl "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > snow. > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > (sorry mom) > > On Jan 15, 10:39 pm, Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >> Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. >> It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. >> Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. >> >> On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> > Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor >> > driving that >> > I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> > As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> > the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> > Having Fun, >> > Brett >> >> > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >> > > vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >> >> > > To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >> > > brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or >> > > avoiding >> > > something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >> > > that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >> > > the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >> > > the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road >> > > in >> > > a snowstorm! >> >> > > The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are >> > > locked >> > > together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes >> > > in >> > > snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >> > > Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that >> > > is >> > > supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >> > > ends for this. >> >> > > However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock >> > > up... >> > > so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >> > > differential. >> >> > > This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >> > > faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off >> > > the >> > > high side of the curve ditch fodder. >> >> > > I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal >> > > speed >> > > feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any >> > > other >> > > shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back >> > > to >> > > 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >> > > naturally. >> >> > > I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >> > > intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 >> > > to >> > > pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT >> > > 4x4 >> > > one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >> > > travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >> > > front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just >> > > wants >> > > to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab >> > > which >> > > isn't always a good thing to do. >> >> > > I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow >> > > to >> > > find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >> >> > > On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of >> > > SUV's >> > > that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >> > > ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 >> > > in >> > > about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time >> > > or >> > > keeping with the transport truck's speed. >> >> > > Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >> > > it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a >> > > break >> > > too..... >> >> > > Mike >> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > > Brett Ryan wrote: >> > >> Question, >> > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who >> > >> own >> > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >> > >> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >> > >> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >> > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >> > >> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >> > >> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >> > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >> > >> arrived in Texas. >> >> > >> Having Fun, >> > >> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
wow...that's chilly. I like cold as long as there's snow. If there's
no snow, I'll take warmer temps. You obviously have snow, though. How much snow is on the ground? On Jan 16, 12:32 am, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote: > If it makes you feel better, go towww.weather.comand type in Rathdrum, ID. > > Carl > > "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.go oglegroups.com... > > > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > > snow. > > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > > (sorry mom) |
Re: Winter Fun
wow...that's chilly. I like cold as long as there's snow. If there's
no snow, I'll take warmer temps. You obviously have snow, though. How much snow is on the ground? On Jan 16, 12:32 am, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote: > If it makes you feel better, go towww.weather.comand type in Rathdrum, ID. > > Carl > > "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.go oglegroups.com... > > > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > > snow. > > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > > (sorry mom) |
Re: Winter Fun
wow...that's chilly. I like cold as long as there's snow. If there's
no snow, I'll take warmer temps. You obviously have snow, though. How much snow is on the ground? On Jan 16, 12:32 am, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote: > If it makes you feel better, go towww.weather.comand type in Rathdrum, ID. > > Carl > > "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.go oglegroups.com... > > > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > > snow. > > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > > (sorry mom) |
Re: Winter Fun
wow...that's chilly. I like cold as long as there's snow. If there's
no snow, I'll take warmer temps. You obviously have snow, though. How much snow is on the ground? On Jan 16, 12:32 am, "Carl" <carlsai...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote: > If it makes you feel better, go towww.weather.comand type in Rathdrum, ID. > > Carl > > "The Merg" <greg.merg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1168921940.422895.92970@s34g2000cwa.go oglegroups.com... > > > This might sound odd to some people, but I'd sell my mother for some > > snow. > > It's been mid-60s for about a week and a half now, which, although > > great weather for working on the XJ or driving the YJ with no top and > > doors, sucks because why have a winter at all if it's not going to > > snow? I'd move to SoCal if I wanted this kind of weather. Besides, it > > reeks havoc on the blue crab and oyster populations. > > > &^#&^%$ global warming... > > > (sorry mom) |
Re: Winter Fun
We got maybe 2 cm here and the newspaper is saying over 700 accidents
reported... This is in Canada, let alone the OP's Houston... Mike Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> Mike, >> Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that >> I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> Having Fun, >> Brett >> >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >>> vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >>> To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >>> brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding >>> something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >>> that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >>> the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >>> the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in >>> a snowstorm! >>> The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked >>> together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in >>> snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >>> Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is >>> supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >>> ends for this. >>> However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... >>> so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >>> differential. >>> This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >>> faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the >>> high side of the curve ditch fodder. >>> I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed >>> feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other >>> shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to >>> 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >>> naturally. >>> I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >>> intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to >>> pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 >>> one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >>> travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >>> front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants >>> to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which >>> isn't always a good thing to do. >>> I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to >>> find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >>> On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's >>> that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >>> ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in >>> about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or >>> keeping with the transport truck's speed. >>> Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >>> it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break >>> too..... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> Brett Ryan wrote: >>>> Question, >>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >>>> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >>>> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >>>> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >>>> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >>>> arrived in Texas. >>>> Having Fun, >>>> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
We got maybe 2 cm here and the newspaper is saying over 700 accidents
reported... This is in Canada, let alone the OP's Houston... Mike Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> Mike, >> Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that >> I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> Having Fun, >> Brett >> >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >>> vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >>> To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >>> brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding >>> something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >>> that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >>> the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >>> the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in >>> a snowstorm! >>> The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked >>> together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in >>> snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >>> Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is >>> supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >>> ends for this. >>> However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... >>> so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >>> differential. >>> This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >>> faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the >>> high side of the curve ditch fodder. >>> I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed >>> feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other >>> shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to >>> 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >>> naturally. >>> I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >>> intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to >>> pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 >>> one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >>> travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >>> front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants >>> to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which >>> isn't always a good thing to do. >>> I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to >>> find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >>> On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's >>> that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >>> ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in >>> about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or >>> keeping with the transport truck's speed. >>> Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >>> it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break >>> too..... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> Brett Ryan wrote: >>>> Question, >>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >>>> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >>>> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >>>> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >>>> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >>>> arrived in Texas. >>>> Having Fun, >>>> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
We got maybe 2 cm here and the newspaper is saying over 700 accidents
reported... This is in Canada, let alone the OP's Houston... Mike Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> Mike, >> Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that >> I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> Having Fun, >> Brett >> >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >>> vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >>> To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >>> brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding >>> something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >>> that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >>> the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >>> the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in >>> a snowstorm! >>> The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked >>> together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in >>> snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >>> Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is >>> supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >>> ends for this. >>> However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... >>> so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >>> differential. >>> This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >>> faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the >>> high side of the curve ditch fodder. >>> I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed >>> feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other >>> shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to >>> 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >>> naturally. >>> I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >>> intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to >>> pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 >>> one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >>> travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >>> front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants >>> to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which >>> isn't always a good thing to do. >>> I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to >>> find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >>> On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's >>> that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >>> ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in >>> about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or >>> keeping with the transport truck's speed. >>> Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >>> it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break >>> too..... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> Brett Ryan wrote: >>>> Question, >>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >>>> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >>>> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >>>> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >>>> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >>>> arrived in Texas. >>>> Having Fun, >>>> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
We got maybe 2 cm here and the newspaper is saying over 700 accidents
reported... This is in Canada, let alone the OP's Houston... Mike Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote: > Just got back from a nightly snow run... we just got 15-20 cm. amazing. > It's my first REAL snow in Montreal since i got the jeep in May 2006. > Love the handling, in 2 and 4wd. > > On Jan 15, 5:50 pm, Brett Ryan <bsr...@houston.rr.com> wrote: >> Mike, >> Thanks for the reply. Personally I'm amazed at the poor driving that >> I've seen here in Texas, even in good weather. Amazing what you see. >> As of my writing this there's been 100 major accidents reported around >> the state today. Amazing. Amazing lack of common sense in people. >> >> Having Fun, >> Brett >> >> Mike Romain wrote: >>> Driving a 4x4 is a learning experience. They handle like no other >>> vehicle when in 'part time' 4x4. >>> To stop when in part time 4x4, my owners manual says to 'stay off the >>> brakes' and to use the gears and steering for slowing down or avoiding >>> something. I have found that my Jeeps will stop amazingly fast like >>> that and practice it off road all the time. Just need the brakes for >>> the final stop. Folks are always told to stay off the brakes and use >>> the gears when in PT 4x4 off road. Same deal when in PT 4x4 on road in >>> a snowstorm! >>> The problem with using the brakes is the front and rear axles are locked >>> together. In a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle when you hit the brakes in >>> snow, the steering usually just locks up so you track straight ahead. >>> Jeeps and most SUV's have a combination or proportioning valve that is >>> supposed to prevent rear wheel lock up to avoid the vehicle swapping >>> ends for this. >>> However when you are in part time 4x4, when the front wheels lock up... >>> so do the rear wheels because of the nature of the locked center >>> differential. >>> This means a Jeep or any vehicle in part time 4x4 will slide sideways >>> faster than you can blink with all 4 wheels locked up. Instant off the >>> high side of the curve ditch fodder. >>> I highly recommend folks use their 'shift on the fly' at any legal speed >>> feature of the 4x4 so they get used to treating it 'just like any other >>> shift'. See snow coming, shift into 4x4, see clear coming shift back to >>> 2 WD. This way in an emergency, shifting into or out of 4x4 comes >>> naturally. >>> I find 2 WD better when doing left turn at snowy or slushy >>> intersections. I use 2WD then as I come out of the turn, I hit 4x4 to >>> pull me into the straight. I find this because when turning in PT 4x4 >>> one wheel has to scuff the ground because the front wheels and rear >>> travel different distances around a corner. When this happens, the >>> front wheels tend to get up on top of the snow and the Jeep just wants >>> to go straight around the long corner unless you goose it to grab which >>> isn't always a good thing to do. >>> I highly recommend an empty parking lot or open trail come first snow to >>> find out just how your 4x4 does handle. >>> On our last New Years trip last year it was insane the number of SUV's >>> that passed me in a snowstorm on the highway only to be found in the >>> ditch off the top side of a corner aways along. I think we counted 8 in >>> about a hundred miles. I was doing a nice 55-60 mph in 4x4 part time or >>> keeping with the transport truck's speed. >>> Then if you see 'all' the transport trucks parked at the truck stops, >>> it's time to rethink the timing of the trip and maybe stop for a break >>> too..... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> Brett Ryan wrote: >>>> Question, >>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions >>>> like ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think >>>> they can drive, but really can't, get into. >>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy >>>> road, thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control >>>> only to find out that it does not make a difference. >>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have >>>> arrived in Texas. >>>> Having Fun, >>>> Brett > |
Re: Winter Fun
OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
jerk. I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had studded tires. My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? Thanks, doug "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > >> Question, >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >> can drive, but really can't, get into. >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >> find out that it does not make a difference. >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >> in Texas. > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > |
Re: Winter Fun
OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
jerk. I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had studded tires. My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? Thanks, doug "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > >> Question, >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >> can drive, but really can't, get into. >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >> find out that it does not make a difference. >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >> in Texas. > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > |
Re: Winter Fun
OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
jerk. I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had studded tires. My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? Thanks, doug "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > >> Question, >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >> can drive, but really can't, get into. >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >> find out that it does not make a difference. >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >> in Texas. > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > |
Re: Winter Fun
OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a
jerk. I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had studded tires. My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? Thanks, doug "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > >> Question, >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >> can drive, but really can't, get into. >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >> find out that it does not make a difference. >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >> in Texas. > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > |
Re: Winter Fun
I learned how to drive in this stuff. The worst surface I ever drove on was
ice with rain water on top of it. The only way to make progress was to put one wheel on the crunchy stuff at the edge of the road and two women on the hood (front wheel drive car). The second worse experience is when the snow is blowing so hard that you can't see the road surface. Then you have to drive ten feet or so, stop, and make sure you are still on the road. You are not going to take a course, and then be able to handle winter driving "like a native". You need practice to get it right. You could try a few tricks like slowing down though. Lots of people don't know how helpful that is. The Denver Police practice on frozen Georgetown Lake. It is fun to watch. Knowing to turn into the skid helps. Most states you don't need chains (legally that is) if you have four wheel drive and snow tires. Many times chain advisories only apply to "commercial vehicles". Earle "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote in message news:vbudnbMnaN9Z9TDYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > > > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > >> can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > >> find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived > >> in Texas. > > > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > > > > |
Re: Winter Fun
I learned how to drive in this stuff. The worst surface I ever drove on was
ice with rain water on top of it. The only way to make progress was to put one wheel on the crunchy stuff at the edge of the road and two women on the hood (front wheel drive car). The second worse experience is when the snow is blowing so hard that you can't see the road surface. Then you have to drive ten feet or so, stop, and make sure you are still on the road. You are not going to take a course, and then be able to handle winter driving "like a native". You need practice to get it right. You could try a few tricks like slowing down though. Lots of people don't know how helpful that is. The Denver Police practice on frozen Georgetown Lake. It is fun to watch. Knowing to turn into the skid helps. Most states you don't need chains (legally that is) if you have four wheel drive and snow tires. Many times chain advisories only apply to "commercial vehicles". Earle "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote in message news:vbudnbMnaN9Z9TDYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > > > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > >> can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > >> find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived > >> in Texas. > > > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > > > > |
Re: Winter Fun
I learned how to drive in this stuff. The worst surface I ever drove on was
ice with rain water on top of it. The only way to make progress was to put one wheel on the crunchy stuff at the edge of the road and two women on the hood (front wheel drive car). The second worse experience is when the snow is blowing so hard that you can't see the road surface. Then you have to drive ten feet or so, stop, and make sure you are still on the road. You are not going to take a course, and then be able to handle winter driving "like a native". You need practice to get it right. You could try a few tricks like slowing down though. Lots of people don't know how helpful that is. The Denver Police practice on frozen Georgetown Lake. It is fun to watch. Knowing to turn into the skid helps. Most states you don't need chains (legally that is) if you have four wheel drive and snow tires. Many times chain advisories only apply to "commercial vehicles". Earle "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote in message news:vbudnbMnaN9Z9TDYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > > > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > >> can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > >> find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived > >> in Texas. > > > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > > > > |
Re: Winter Fun
I learned how to drive in this stuff. The worst surface I ever drove on was
ice with rain water on top of it. The only way to make progress was to put one wheel on the crunchy stuff at the edge of the road and two women on the hood (front wheel drive car). The second worse experience is when the snow is blowing so hard that you can't see the road surface. Then you have to drive ten feet or so, stop, and make sure you are still on the road. You are not going to take a course, and then be able to handle winter driving "like a native". You need practice to get it right. You could try a few tricks like slowing down though. Lots of people don't know how helpful that is. The Denver Police practice on frozen Georgetown Lake. It is fun to watch. Knowing to turn into the skid helps. Most states you don't need chains (legally that is) if you have four wheel drive and snow tires. Many times chain advisories only apply to "commercial vehicles". Earle "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote in message news:vbudnbMnaN9Z9TDYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > Brett Ryan proclaimed: > > > >> Question, > >> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own > >> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like > >> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these > >> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they > >> can drive, but really can't, get into. > >> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, > >> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to > >> find out that it does not make a difference. > >> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived > >> in Texas. > > > > The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: > > > > How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and > > watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. > > > > |
Re: Winter Fun
There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!
I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has a Jeep 101 here and there. I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area, but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up. I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents reported in this city alone. I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Doug wrote: > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Brett Ryan proclaimed: >> >>> Question, >>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >>> can drive, but really can't, get into. >>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >>> find out that it does not make a difference. >>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >>> in Texas. >> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: >> >> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and >> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. >> > > |
Re: Winter Fun
There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!
I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has a Jeep 101 here and there. I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area, but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up. I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents reported in this city alone. I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Doug wrote: > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Brett Ryan proclaimed: >> >>> Question, >>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >>> can drive, but really can't, get into. >>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >>> find out that it does not make a difference. >>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >>> in Texas. >> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: >> >> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and >> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. >> > > |
Re: Winter Fun
There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!
I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has a Jeep 101 here and there. I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area, but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up. I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents reported in this city alone. I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Doug wrote: > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Brett Ryan proclaimed: >> >>> Question, >>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >>> can drive, but really can't, get into. >>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >>> find out that it does not make a difference. >>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >>> in Texas. >> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: >> >> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and >> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. >> > > |
Re: Winter Fun
There 'should' be driving schools all over for new 4x4 drivers!
I have wheeled with the Land Rover Factory Team when they were taking new Disco owners out to show them what they could do. Jeep sort of has a Jeep 101 here and there. I used to take out groups come first snow to a local 4x4 sand pit area, but it became a problem over rights and garbage and tress pass. Haven't been back in a while, but last I heard from the local township and the land owners our 'RAMJ+W' newsgroup members, rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys folks are welcome due to us helping big time in a local clean up. I got smucked up in a car accident as a passenger three years back so my off roading days kinda stopped unfortunately or I would be heading out this weekend, we just got our first snow. 2 cm or so and 700 accidents reported in this city alone. I wrote a few suggestions in another part of this thread. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Doug wrote: > OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a > jerk. > > I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to > learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. > > I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads > are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for > 2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was > the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same > area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most > folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had > chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had > studded tires. > My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the > ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were > slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. > > So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google > winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I > could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. > > Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? > > Thanks, > doug > > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Brett Ryan proclaimed: >> >>> Question, >>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >>> can drive, but really can't, get into. >>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >>> find out that it does not make a difference. >>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >>> in Texas. >> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: >> >> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and >> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. >> > > |
Re: Winter Fun
Its hard. And knowing how to drive in certian types of snow doesnt prepare you for
other types very well. This dry powder that we have now is nothing like the heavy wet ice-snow that we normally get. Totally a new experiance for me. I drove my car today (not the Jeep), turns out it wasnt a problem after all, those particular tires stick really well in this powdery stuff. As opposed the the Jeep tires that just dig and dig and dig - straight down and not fowards. lol. I actuallly might have had more issues getting home if I had taken the Jeep - not that that will stop me from driving it tomorrow. =) -jenn On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:07:26 -0800, "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote: >>OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a >>jerk. >> >>I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to >>learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. >> >>I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads >>are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for >>2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was >>the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same >>area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most >>folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had >>chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had >>studded tires. >>My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the >>ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were >>slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. >> >>So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google >>winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I >>could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. >> >>Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? >> >>Thanks, >>doug >> >> >>"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.co m... >>> Brett Ryan proclaimed: >>> >>>> Question, >>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >>>> can drive, but really can't, get into. >>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >>>> find out that it does not make a difference. >>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >>>> in Texas. >>> >>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: >>> >>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and >>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. >>> >> |
Re: Winter Fun
Its hard. And knowing how to drive in certian types of snow doesnt prepare you for
other types very well. This dry powder that we have now is nothing like the heavy wet ice-snow that we normally get. Totally a new experiance for me. I drove my car today (not the Jeep), turns out it wasnt a problem after all, those particular tires stick really well in this powdery stuff. As opposed the the Jeep tires that just dig and dig and dig - straight down and not fowards. lol. I actuallly might have had more issues getting home if I had taken the Jeep - not that that will stop me from driving it tomorrow. =) -jenn On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:07:26 -0800, "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote: >>OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a >>jerk. >> >>I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to >>learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. >> >>I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads >>are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for >>2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was >>the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same >>area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most >>folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had >>chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had >>studded tires. >>My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the >>ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were >>slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. >> >>So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google >>winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I >>could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. >> >>Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? >> >>Thanks, >>doug >> >> >>"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.co m... >>> Brett Ryan proclaimed: >>> >>>> Question, >>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >>>> can drive, but really can't, get into. >>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >>>> find out that it does not make a difference. >>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >>>> in Texas. >>> >>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: >>> >>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and >>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. >>> >> |
Re: Winter Fun
Its hard. And knowing how to drive in certian types of snow doesnt prepare you for
other types very well. This dry powder that we have now is nothing like the heavy wet ice-snow that we normally get. Totally a new experiance for me. I drove my car today (not the Jeep), turns out it wasnt a problem after all, those particular tires stick really well in this powdery stuff. As opposed the the Jeep tires that just dig and dig and dig - straight down and not fowards. lol. I actuallly might have had more issues getting home if I had taken the Jeep - not that that will stop me from driving it tomorrow. =) -jenn On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:07:26 -0800, "Doug" <nono@nono.com> wrote: >>OK, so help out the less fortunate. I am serious and not trying to be a >>jerk. >> >>I live in the San Franscisco bay area so there is not much opportunity to >>learn ice and snow driving. You all know that though. >> >>I do drive to central Oregon once or twice each winter. Most times the roads >>are good. This past Christmas we were on ice, ( with chain control for >>2WD ), in Shasta then again on 97 between ~ Chiloquin and La Pine. This was >>the second most stressful driving experience ever for me. First was the same >>area ~10years ago. Anyway, we were in a line of traffic and it appeared most >>folks around us knew what they were doing. I could see that the big rigs had >>chains on but it did not appear the passenger cars did. Maybe they had >>studded tires. >>My wife was feeling comfortable in our ZJ until one of the handful in the >>ditch along the way was another ZJ. She also did not feel how we were >>slipping around @ 10-30 MPH. >> >>So, how do I get to know how to drive in these conditions? I did Google >>winter driving schools but if I live in the areas that came back I think I >>could just 'go play' in an empty area as others have mentioned. >> >>Is there a driving school for this in my area I have not found? >> >>Thanks, >>doug >> >> >>"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:Nb2dnYvZWNXlyTHYnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.co m... >>> Brett Ryan proclaimed: >>> >>>> Question, >>>> How many people here have had the chance to observe people who own >>>> 4x4's, but do not know how to use them in winter driving conditions like >>>> ice and snow? Down here in Houston, and Texas in general these >>>> conditions create all kinds of fun situations for people who think they >>>> can drive, but really can't, get into. >>>> I really love it when someone who has a jeep ends up on an icy road, >>>> thinking that the engaged 4x4 will help them maintain control only to >>>> find out that it does not make a difference. >>>> Ok, my two cents worth now that the ice, sleet, and snow have arrived >>>> in Texas. >>> >>> The answer to your first question can be answered with another question: >>> >>> How many people have ever driven over Donner Pass in the wintertime and >>> watched 99.99999% of the 4x4's. >>> >> |
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