Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

Wow !! 275 CDN for an ignition module ???? They go for about $30 US
at the 'Zone in the peoples republic of california. On a more
constructive note, the IM can effect the timing. There is some amount
of computer controlled ignition retard built into the module, that
when it fails, looks just like erratic ignition timing.

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

Wow !! 275 CDN for an ignition module ???? They go for about $30 US
at the 'Zone in the peoples republic of california. On a more
constructive note, the IM can effect the timing. There is some amount
of computer controlled ignition retard built into the module, that
when it fails, looks just like erratic ignition timing.

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

Wow !! 275 CDN for an ignition module ???? They go for about $30 US
at the 'Zone in the peoples republic of california. On a more
constructive note, the IM can effect the timing. There is some amount
of computer controlled ignition retard built into the module, that
when it fails, looks just like erratic ignition timing.

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

They should be able to test the module for you at the parts house.
AutoZone, Advanced Auto, Pep Boys are the local ones and they all have
a tester in the store. Make sure they test the new one before you
leave. as well. I'll throw my 2 cents in with Mike, tho - avoid the
Wells brand at all costs, even if it means you walk for a day or two.
Buy the Wells part and you probably will walk for a while, anyway.
When I needed a module for my mother-in-law's car, I had them test the
Wells modules they tried to sell me: 5 out of 7 failed right out of
the box.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:10:18 UTC "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca>
wrote:

> Ya, I'm down to either the igmod or the timing chain. When I slightly
> rotated the distributor, it seemed to run better at first, but now it
> doesn't run at all (just sputters and dies). I've replaced the dist
> cap/rotor, plugs, plug wires, fuel filter, and next I'm probably going to
> check the timing chain. I'm think what happened at the trail was probably
> like you guys suggested: the dist cap got wet. Then when I was getting towed
> and tried to jump start it, I probably slipped a tooth on the chain from the
> huge force. In essence ...two separate and unrelated problems. Altho, this
> is just speculation. I priced out an ignition module today at $275 CDN
> ...ouch. I'm really hoping that isn't the problem cuz I wasn't lookin to
> spend that much ;p Is there any way to fix them? My dad's buddy said his on
> his Ford truck always dies when it gets wet and he had to wrap it in a
> waterproof material. The one on my CJ is right down by the driver's side
> wheel well ...which is the side I went into the puddle with just before it
> died. It would make no sense to me, tho, why they'd put it there if it's
> that sensitive to water. I've never had that problem before, either.
>
> Any thoughts on all this?
>
> griffin
> '85 CJ7
>
>
> "breyfogle" <breyfogle@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:2495aa84.0410280546.6b149368@posting.google.c om...
> > Not sure about 4 cyl's but each time my '83 258 shows those symptoms,
> > it is the ignition module or the connectors to the ignition module.
>
>


--
Will Honea

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

They should be able to test the module for you at the parts house.
AutoZone, Advanced Auto, Pep Boys are the local ones and they all have
a tester in the store. Make sure they test the new one before you
leave. as well. I'll throw my 2 cents in with Mike, tho - avoid the
Wells brand at all costs, even if it means you walk for a day or two.
Buy the Wells part and you probably will walk for a while, anyway.
When I needed a module for my mother-in-law's car, I had them test the
Wells modules they tried to sell me: 5 out of 7 failed right out of
the box.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:10:18 UTC "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca>
wrote:

> Ya, I'm down to either the igmod or the timing chain. When I slightly
> rotated the distributor, it seemed to run better at first, but now it
> doesn't run at all (just sputters and dies). I've replaced the dist
> cap/rotor, plugs, plug wires, fuel filter, and next I'm probably going to
> check the timing chain. I'm think what happened at the trail was probably
> like you guys suggested: the dist cap got wet. Then when I was getting towed
> and tried to jump start it, I probably slipped a tooth on the chain from the
> huge force. In essence ...two separate and unrelated problems. Altho, this
> is just speculation. I priced out an ignition module today at $275 CDN
> ...ouch. I'm really hoping that isn't the problem cuz I wasn't lookin to
> spend that much ;p Is there any way to fix them? My dad's buddy said his on
> his Ford truck always dies when it gets wet and he had to wrap it in a
> waterproof material. The one on my CJ is right down by the driver's side
> wheel well ...which is the side I went into the puddle with just before it
> died. It would make no sense to me, tho, why they'd put it there if it's
> that sensitive to water. I've never had that problem before, either.
>
> Any thoughts on all this?
>
> griffin
> '85 CJ7
>
>
> "breyfogle" <breyfogle@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:2495aa84.0410280546.6b149368@posting.google.c om...
> > Not sure about 4 cyl's but each time my '83 258 shows those symptoms,
> > it is the ignition module or the connectors to the ignition module.
>
>


--
Will Honea

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

They should be able to test the module for you at the parts house.
AutoZone, Advanced Auto, Pep Boys are the local ones and they all have
a tester in the store. Make sure they test the new one before you
leave. as well. I'll throw my 2 cents in with Mike, tho - avoid the
Wells brand at all costs, even if it means you walk for a day or two.
Buy the Wells part and you probably will walk for a while, anyway.
When I needed a module for my mother-in-law's car, I had them test the
Wells modules they tried to sell me: 5 out of 7 failed right out of
the box.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:10:18 UTC "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca>
wrote:

> Ya, I'm down to either the igmod or the timing chain. When I slightly
> rotated the distributor, it seemed to run better at first, but now it
> doesn't run at all (just sputters and dies). I've replaced the dist
> cap/rotor, plugs, plug wires, fuel filter, and next I'm probably going to
> check the timing chain. I'm think what happened at the trail was probably
> like you guys suggested: the dist cap got wet. Then when I was getting towed
> and tried to jump start it, I probably slipped a tooth on the chain from the
> huge force. In essence ...two separate and unrelated problems. Altho, this
> is just speculation. I priced out an ignition module today at $275 CDN
> ...ouch. I'm really hoping that isn't the problem cuz I wasn't lookin to
> spend that much ;p Is there any way to fix them? My dad's buddy said his on
> his Ford truck always dies when it gets wet and he had to wrap it in a
> waterproof material. The one on my CJ is right down by the driver's side
> wheel well ...which is the side I went into the puddle with just before it
> died. It would make no sense to me, tho, why they'd put it there if it's
> that sensitive to water. I've never had that problem before, either.
>
> Any thoughts on all this?
>
> griffin
> '85 CJ7
>
>
> "breyfogle" <breyfogle@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:2495aa84.0410280546.6b149368@posting.google.c om...
> > Not sure about 4 cyl's but each time my '83 258 shows those symptoms,
> > it is the ignition module or the connectors to the ignition module.
>
>


--
Will Honea

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

> Anyhow, the module in my old car (oldsmobile..nothing special) cost me
> $1000+....I choked!
>
>
Maybe the main computer might cost that much but Ford Motorcraft IM's
are cheap and readily available.

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

> Anyhow, the module in my old car (oldsmobile..nothing special) cost me
> $1000+....I choked!
>
>
Maybe the main computer might cost that much but Ford Motorcraft IM's
are cheap and readily available.

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

> Anyhow, the module in my old car (oldsmobile..nothing special) cost me
> $1000+....I choked!
>
>
Maybe the main computer might cost that much but Ford Motorcraft IM's
are cheap and readily available.

Re: What are my likely sources of error?
 

OK, I got the IM tested and it works fine. So this rules out the plugs/plug
wires/dist cap&rotor/ignition module/fuel filter. The only other thing I
haven't fully checked that's been mentioned is the timing chain. Is there
any way to check this without having to take the cover off (ie: looking at
the top of the engine for when the valves open/close)?