Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Well, that lost something in the editing... ;-)

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> New Old Jeep Owner wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > news:43FF69B7.14AA289B@sympatico.ca:
> >
> > > The 4.0 likes 10W30 for the most part.
> > >
> > > The valve covers are the usual oil leak, but you can have oil coming
> > > out of the air filter housing also and occaisionaly out of the rear
> > > seal, but the rear seal looking one is usually the valve cover leaking
> > > down.
> > >
> > > A good clean or a good coat of mud/dust on the engine will help you
> > > locate the oil leak easier. The dried mud or dust is the best, fresh
> > > oil shows up fast. ;-)
> > >
> > > Valve cover is an easy fix, same for the air filter housing. Rear
> > > seal involves dropping the pan and starter to get at.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > The mechanic said that it was leaking in two places, one out of the
> > crankshaft and the other was a filter gasket. He said it would be $800
> > to fix both or $500 for crankshaft and $300 for the filter gasket.
> >
> > Does that sound plausible and if so is it a fair price?
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolts of
> plate, remove the plate and replace the o-ring. I am talking a half
> hour labor here.... For $300.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> For the crank leak, he has to remove the starter and oil pan which is a
> bit of a job. Including new seals and gaskets, $500.00 is high, but not
> insane.
>
> You should do yourself a favor though and run the engine, then take a
> clean rag ad run it across the back of the engine head just below the
> valve cover. If you find oil there, then you have found the leak. That
> one imitates the rear seal leak all the time and is 'much' cheaper to
> fix.
>
> Mike

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Now Mike,

I've read you need 3 of these O-rings and they cost 74 cents apiece retail.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...&parttype=5432

That means the mechanic is only making $297.78 for his labor, overhead,
medical, fringe benefits, etc.

It also might require him to buy a Torx-55, Torx 60, or Allen wrench (I've
read all 3 fasteners used)



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4408B751.CA738DA9@sympatico.ca...
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> New Old Jeep Owner wrote:
>>
>> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> news:43FF69B7.14AA289B@sympatico.ca:
>>
>> > The 4.0 likes 10W30 for the most part.
>> >
>> > The valve covers are the usual oil leak, but you can have oil coming
>> > out of the air filter housing also and occaisionaly out of the rear
>> > seal, but the rear seal looking one is usually the valve cover leaking
>> > down.
>> >
>> > A good clean or a good coat of mud/dust on the engine will help you
>> > locate the oil leak easier. The dried mud or dust is the best, fresh
>> > oil shows up fast. ;-)
>> >
>> > Valve cover is an easy fix, same for the air filter housing. Rear
>> > seal involves dropping the pan and starter to get at.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> The mechanic said that it was leaking in two places, one out of the
>> crankshaft and the other was a filter gasket. He said it would be $800
>> to fix both or $500 for crankshaft and $300 for the filter gasket.
>>
>> Does that sound plausible and if so is it a fair price?
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolts of
> plate, remove the plate and replace the o-ring. I am talking a half
> hour labor here.... For $300.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> For the crank leak, he has to remove the starter and oil pan which is a
> bit of a job. Including new seals and gaskets, $500.00 is high, but not
> insane.
>
> You should do yourself a favor though and run the engine, then take a
> clean rag ad run it across the back of the engine head just below the
> valve cover. If you find oil there, then you have found the leak. That
> one imitates the rear seal leak all the time and is 'much' cheaper to
> fix.
>
> Mike

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Now Mike,

I've read you need 3 of these O-rings and they cost 74 cents apiece retail.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...&parttype=5432

That means the mechanic is only making $297.78 for his labor, overhead,
medical, fringe benefits, etc.

It also might require him to buy a Torx-55, Torx 60, or Allen wrench (I've
read all 3 fasteners used)



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4408B751.CA738DA9@sympatico.ca...
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> New Old Jeep Owner wrote:
>>
>> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> news:43FF69B7.14AA289B@sympatico.ca:
>>
>> > The 4.0 likes 10W30 for the most part.
>> >
>> > The valve covers are the usual oil leak, but you can have oil coming
>> > out of the air filter housing also and occaisionaly out of the rear
>> > seal, but the rear seal looking one is usually the valve cover leaking
>> > down.
>> >
>> > A good clean or a good coat of mud/dust on the engine will help you
>> > locate the oil leak easier. The dried mud or dust is the best, fresh
>> > oil shows up fast. ;-)
>> >
>> > Valve cover is an easy fix, same for the air filter housing. Rear
>> > seal involves dropping the pan and starter to get at.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> The mechanic said that it was leaking in two places, one out of the
>> crankshaft and the other was a filter gasket. He said it would be $800
>> to fix both or $500 for crankshaft and $300 for the filter gasket.
>>
>> Does that sound plausible and if so is it a fair price?
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolts of
> plate, remove the plate and replace the o-ring. I am talking a half
> hour labor here.... For $300.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> For the crank leak, he has to remove the starter and oil pan which is a
> bit of a job. Including new seals and gaskets, $500.00 is high, but not
> insane.
>
> You should do yourself a favor though and run the engine, then take a
> clean rag ad run it across the back of the engine head just below the
> valve cover. If you find oil there, then you have found the leak. That
> one imitates the rear seal leak all the time and is 'much' cheaper to
> fix.
>
> Mike

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Now Mike,

I've read you need 3 of these O-rings and they cost 74 cents apiece retail.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...&parttype=5432

That means the mechanic is only making $297.78 for his labor, overhead,
medical, fringe benefits, etc.

It also might require him to buy a Torx-55, Torx 60, or Allen wrench (I've
read all 3 fasteners used)



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4408B751.CA738DA9@sympatico.ca...
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> New Old Jeep Owner wrote:
>>
>> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> news:43FF69B7.14AA289B@sympatico.ca:
>>
>> > The 4.0 likes 10W30 for the most part.
>> >
>> > The valve covers are the usual oil leak, but you can have oil coming
>> > out of the air filter housing also and occaisionaly out of the rear
>> > seal, but the rear seal looking one is usually the valve cover leaking
>> > down.
>> >
>> > A good clean or a good coat of mud/dust on the engine will help you
>> > locate the oil leak easier. The dried mud or dust is the best, fresh
>> > oil shows up fast. ;-)
>> >
>> > Valve cover is an easy fix, same for the air filter housing. Rear
>> > seal involves dropping the pan and starter to get at.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> The mechanic said that it was leaking in two places, one out of the
>> crankshaft and the other was a filter gasket. He said it would be $800
>> to fix both or $500 for crankshaft and $300 for the filter gasket.
>>
>> Does that sound plausible and if so is it a fair price?
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolts of
> plate, remove the plate and replace the o-ring. I am talking a half
> hour labor here.... For $300.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> For the crank leak, he has to remove the starter and oil pan which is a
> bit of a job. Including new seals and gaskets, $500.00 is high, but not
> insane.
>
> You should do yourself a favor though and run the engine, then take a
> clean rag ad run it across the back of the engine head just below the
> valve cover. If you find oil there, then you have found the leak. That
> one imitates the rear seal leak all the time and is 'much' cheaper to
> fix.
>
> Mike

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Now Mike,

I've read you need 3 of these O-rings and they cost 74 cents apiece retail.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/cata...&parttype=5432

That means the mechanic is only making $297.78 for his labor, overhead,
medical, fringe benefits, etc.

It also might require him to buy a Torx-55, Torx 60, or Allen wrench (I've
read all 3 fasteners used)



"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4408B751.CA738DA9@sympatico.ca...
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> New Old Jeep Owner wrote:
>>
>> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> news:43FF69B7.14AA289B@sympatico.ca:
>>
>> > The 4.0 likes 10W30 for the most part.
>> >
>> > The valve covers are the usual oil leak, but you can have oil coming
>> > out of the air filter housing also and occaisionaly out of the rear
>> > seal, but the rear seal looking one is usually the valve cover leaking
>> > down.
>> >
>> > A good clean or a good coat of mud/dust on the engine will help you
>> > locate the oil leak easier. The dried mud or dust is the best, fresh
>> > oil shows up fast. ;-)
>> >
>> > Valve cover is an easy fix, same for the air filter housing. Rear
>> > seal involves dropping the pan and starter to get at.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> The mechanic said that it was leaking in two places, one out of the
>> crankshaft and the other was a filter gasket. He said it would be $800
>> to fix both or $500 for crankshaft and $300 for the filter gasket.
>>
>> Does that sound plausible and if so is it a fair price?
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolts of
> plate, remove the plate and replace the o-ring. I am talking a half
> hour labor here.... For $300.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!
>
> For the crank leak, he has to remove the starter and oil pan which is a
> bit of a job. Including new seals and gaskets, $500.00 is high, but not
> insane.
>
> You should do yourself a favor though and run the engine, then take a
> clean rag ad run it across the back of the engine head just below the
> valve cover. If you find oil there, then you have found the leak. That
> one imitates the rear seal leak all the time and is 'much' cheaper to
> fix.
>
> Mike

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Ditto: http://www.----------.com/temp/spinonAdapter.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Ditto: http://www.----------.com/temp/spinonAdapter.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

Ditto: http://www.----------.com/temp/spinonAdapter.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!

Re: What kind of oil to use for 1994 Jeep Cherokee?
 

That price was a typo on my part, it is 'only' $300.00. LOL!

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Ditto: http://www.----------.com/temp/spinonAdapter.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > If I remember right, the filter base plate has an o-ring that fails
> > sometimes. You remove the oil filter, take out the center bolt, remove
> > the plate and replace the o-ring. For $400.00!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch!