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Re: Water on the carpet in my CJ
What are you using for a heater blower motor?
Ok, are you the person I think with the link to cutting the blower motor hole for the big GM blower motor before I go into how much better it is?? Mike Rich wrote: > > Wow! Thanks Mike. I didn't know that. I'll change gears on that real quick. > I actually have changed my mind and am going to rip the whole ventilation > system out, take it apart and regasket/seal everything. I might as well do > it right than have to do it again in a year. My old CJ is around to stay. > I've been an off and on reader/poster here for about 8 or 10 years but > lately I've just lost interest with all the junk that comes onboard. Glad to > see some of the old posters are still around. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45A3BA80.1C94ED67@sympatico.ca... > > There was a reason I mentioned butyl caulk... > > > > Unfortunately GE silicone cures for years while putting out acetic acid > > fumes. When these fumes contact water, they eat steel. They eat it > > really well. I have seen more vinyl tops that were repaired with > > silicone peel the whole roof off when a real repair was finally needed > > than not. Same for windshields, the whole frame edge come out with the > > glass if installed with silicone. > > > > Someone on this group was involved in testing the outgassing of silicone > > for the space program, and it failed due to never stopping to outgas. > > > > The acetic acid fumes will also 'instantly' kill an O2 sensor. I know > > folks that have fried the O2 sensor by just using silicone on the front > > differential cover. > > > > They do make some types of RTV silicone that is 'sensor safe' now a > > days. > > > > Mike > > > > Rich wrote: > >> > >> I went and looked again and also found the holes where the vent cover > >> screws > >> go in are leaking. I got a tube of GE silicon 2 outdoor sealant and > >> gouped > >> the screws and the seams. Once it dries I'll give it another test. Right > >> now > >> I have the dash completely off which made it easier to check for leaks. > >> If > >> this doesn't work, the whole shooting match is coming out and I'm going > >> to > >> reseal everything down to the knat's ass. It will be a real pain but I'm > >> thinking it will be the best solution. The windshield rubber is > >> relatively > >> new and is holding fine. I have a good seal there. > >> > >> Also when I'm done I'll post pics of the new dashboard. I though it > >> would > >> be a piece of cake, but making sure everything is arranged so it can be > >> seen > >> AND fit within the constraints of the stuff behind the dash is proving to > >> be > >> a challenge. > >> I'm going to make a cardboard mock-up before actually cutting metal. > >> > >> ThanksMike, > >> Rich > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >> news:45A2DC6E.32B5EEE8@sympatico.ca... > >> >I would go for a small can of roofing membrane, the one you can roll or > >> > brush on. maybe as a second choice, some butyl caulk I could maybe get > >> > my finger to ------ on the seam from the top. > >> > > >> > Other than that, the windshield or it's frame gasket can leak into the > >> > defrost duct.... > >> > > >> > The windshield frame gasket can also leak down the back of the dash. > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > > >> > Rich wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Guys, need an idea here. MY CJ is getting progressively worse about > >> >> leaking > >> >> water through the ventilation system when it rains. The drain is clear > >> >> (I've > >> >> checked and cleared it a bunch of times.). I have found what I think > >> >> is > >> >> the > >> >> problem but the cure is going to be a PITA. > >> >> The airbox above the heater has a seam running around it where the top > >> >> and > >> >> bottom halves meet. It looks like water is leaking in from between the > >> >> halves. I had my daughter run the hose outside while I checked it from > >> >> the > >> >> inside and I'm 98% sure that is the source. > >> >> So here are my 2 questions. > >> >> 1. Has anyone ever had this problem before or something like it that > >> >> turned > >> >> out to be something else? > >> >> 2. Without tearing everything out above the heater assy, does anyone > >> >> have > >> >> a > >> >> suggestion? > >> >> I've thought of going to home despot and buying some flexible > >> >> rubber > >> >> membrane roof sheathing then using it to seal the seams from inside > >> >> the > >> >> plenum... > >> >> > >> >> Thoughts, comments? > >> >> > >> >> Rich Harris |
Re: Water on the carpet in my CJ
What are you using for a heater blower motor?
Ok, are you the person I think with the link to cutting the blower motor hole for the big GM blower motor before I go into how much better it is?? Mike Rich wrote: > > Wow! Thanks Mike. I didn't know that. I'll change gears on that real quick. > I actually have changed my mind and am going to rip the whole ventilation > system out, take it apart and regasket/seal everything. I might as well do > it right than have to do it again in a year. My old CJ is around to stay. > I've been an off and on reader/poster here for about 8 or 10 years but > lately I've just lost interest with all the junk that comes onboard. Glad to > see some of the old posters are still around. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45A3BA80.1C94ED67@sympatico.ca... > > There was a reason I mentioned butyl caulk... > > > > Unfortunately GE silicone cures for years while putting out acetic acid > > fumes. When these fumes contact water, they eat steel. They eat it > > really well. I have seen more vinyl tops that were repaired with > > silicone peel the whole roof off when a real repair was finally needed > > than not. Same for windshields, the whole frame edge come out with the > > glass if installed with silicone. > > > > Someone on this group was involved in testing the outgassing of silicone > > for the space program, and it failed due to never stopping to outgas. > > > > The acetic acid fumes will also 'instantly' kill an O2 sensor. I know > > folks that have fried the O2 sensor by just using silicone on the front > > differential cover. > > > > They do make some types of RTV silicone that is 'sensor safe' now a > > days. > > > > Mike > > > > Rich wrote: > >> > >> I went and looked again and also found the holes where the vent cover > >> screws > >> go in are leaking. I got a tube of GE silicon 2 outdoor sealant and > >> gouped > >> the screws and the seams. Once it dries I'll give it another test. Right > >> now > >> I have the dash completely off which made it easier to check for leaks. > >> If > >> this doesn't work, the whole shooting match is coming out and I'm going > >> to > >> reseal everything down to the knat's ass. It will be a real pain but I'm > >> thinking it will be the best solution. The windshield rubber is > >> relatively > >> new and is holding fine. I have a good seal there. > >> > >> Also when I'm done I'll post pics of the new dashboard. I though it > >> would > >> be a piece of cake, but making sure everything is arranged so it can be > >> seen > >> AND fit within the constraints of the stuff behind the dash is proving to > >> be > >> a challenge. > >> I'm going to make a cardboard mock-up before actually cutting metal. > >> > >> ThanksMike, > >> Rich > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >> news:45A2DC6E.32B5EEE8@sympatico.ca... > >> >I would go for a small can of roofing membrane, the one you can roll or > >> > brush on. maybe as a second choice, some butyl caulk I could maybe get > >> > my finger to ------ on the seam from the top. > >> > > >> > Other than that, the windshield or it's frame gasket can leak into the > >> > defrost duct.... > >> > > >> > The windshield frame gasket can also leak down the back of the dash. > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > > >> > Rich wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Guys, need an idea here. MY CJ is getting progressively worse about > >> >> leaking > >> >> water through the ventilation system when it rains. The drain is clear > >> >> (I've > >> >> checked and cleared it a bunch of times.). I have found what I think > >> >> is > >> >> the > >> >> problem but the cure is going to be a PITA. > >> >> The airbox above the heater has a seam running around it where the top > >> >> and > >> >> bottom halves meet. It looks like water is leaking in from between the > >> >> halves. I had my daughter run the hose outside while I checked it from > >> >> the > >> >> inside and I'm 98% sure that is the source. > >> >> So here are my 2 questions. > >> >> 1. Has anyone ever had this problem before or something like it that > >> >> turned > >> >> out to be something else? > >> >> 2. Without tearing everything out above the heater assy, does anyone > >> >> have > >> >> a > >> >> suggestion? > >> >> I've thought of going to home despot and buying some flexible > >> >> rubber > >> >> membrane roof sheathing then using it to seal the seams from inside > >> >> the > >> >> plenum... > >> >> > >> >> Thoughts, comments? > >> >> > >> >> Rich Harris |
Re: Water on the carpet in my CJ
I don't have a link to it (no website), but I did the mod years ago. Well
worth the time and money spent. Everyone with a CJ should have it. Rich "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45A42A89.6FB04638@sympatico.ca... > What are you using for a heater blower motor? > > Ok, are you the person I think with the link to cutting the blower motor > hole for the big GM blower motor before I go into how much better it > is?? > > Mike > > > Rich wrote: >> >> Wow! Thanks Mike. I didn't know that. I'll change gears on that real >> quick. >> I actually have changed my mind and am going to rip the whole ventilation >> system out, take it apart and regasket/seal everything. I might as well >> do >> it right than have to do it again in a year. My old CJ is around to stay. >> I've been an off and on reader/poster here for about 8 or 10 years but >> lately I've just lost interest with all the junk that comes onboard. Glad >> to >> see some of the old posters are still around. >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:45A3BA80.1C94ED67@sympatico.ca... >> > There was a reason I mentioned butyl caulk... >> > >> > Unfortunately GE silicone cures for years while putting out acetic acid >> > fumes. When these fumes contact water, they eat steel. They eat it >> > really well. I have seen more vinyl tops that were repaired with >> > silicone peel the whole roof off when a real repair was finally needed >> > than not. Same for windshields, the whole frame edge come out with the >> > glass if installed with silicone. >> > >> > Someone on this group was involved in testing the outgassing of >> > silicone >> > for the space program, and it failed due to never stopping to outgas. >> > >> > The acetic acid fumes will also 'instantly' kill an O2 sensor. I know >> > folks that have fried the O2 sensor by just using silicone on the front >> > differential cover. >> > >> > They do make some types of RTV silicone that is 'sensor safe' now a >> > days. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > Rich wrote: >> >> >> >> I went and looked again and also found the holes where the vent cover >> >> screws >> >> go in are leaking. I got a tube of GE silicon 2 outdoor sealant and >> >> gouped >> >> the screws and the seams. Once it dries I'll give it another test. >> >> Right >> >> now >> >> I have the dash completely off which made it easier to check for >> >> leaks. >> >> If >> >> this doesn't work, the whole shooting match is coming out and I'm >> >> going >> >> to >> >> reseal everything down to the knat's ass. It will be a real pain but >> >> I'm >> >> thinking it will be the best solution. The windshield rubber is >> >> relatively >> >> new and is holding fine. I have a good seal there. >> >> >> >> Also when I'm done I'll post pics of the new dashboard. I though it >> >> would >> >> be a piece of cake, but making sure everything is arranged so it can >> >> be >> >> seen >> >> AND fit within the constraints of the stuff behind the dash is proving >> >> to >> >> be >> >> a challenge. >> >> I'm going to make a cardboard mock-up before actually cutting metal. >> >> >> >> ThanksMike, >> >> Rich >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:45A2DC6E.32B5EEE8@sympatico.ca... >> >> >I would go for a small can of roofing membrane, the one you can roll >> >> >or >> >> > brush on. maybe as a second choice, some butyl caulk I could maybe >> >> > get >> >> > my finger to ------ on the seam from the top. >> >> > >> >> > Other than that, the windshield or it's frame gasket can leak into >> >> > the >> >> > defrost duct.... >> >> > >> >> > The windshield frame gasket can also leak down the back of the dash. >> >> > >> >> > Mike >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > >> >> > Rich wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Guys, need an idea here. MY CJ is getting progressively worse about >> >> >> leaking >> >> >> water through the ventilation system when it rains. The drain is >> >> >> clear >> >> >> (I've >> >> >> checked and cleared it a bunch of times.). I have found what I >> >> >> think >> >> >> is >> >> >> the >> >> >> problem but the cure is going to be a PITA. >> >> >> The airbox above the heater has a seam running around it where the >> >> >> top >> >> >> and >> >> >> bottom halves meet. It looks like water is leaking in from between >> >> >> the >> >> >> halves. I had my daughter run the hose outside while I checked it >> >> >> from >> >> >> the >> >> >> inside and I'm 98% sure that is the source. >> >> >> So here are my 2 questions. >> >> >> 1. Has anyone ever had this problem before or something like it >> >> >> that >> >> >> turned >> >> >> out to be something else? >> >> >> 2. Without tearing everything out above the heater assy, does >> >> >> anyone >> >> >> have >> >> >> a >> >> >> suggestion? >> >> >> I've thought of going to home despot and buying some flexible >> >> >> rubber >> >> >> membrane roof sheathing then using it to seal the seams from inside >> >> >> the >> >> >> plenum... >> >> >> >> >> >> Thoughts, comments? >> >> >> >> >> >> Rich Harris |
Re: Water on the carpet in my CJ
I don't have a link to it (no website), but I did the mod years ago. Well
worth the time and money spent. Everyone with a CJ should have it. Rich "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45A42A89.6FB04638@sympatico.ca... > What are you using for a heater blower motor? > > Ok, are you the person I think with the link to cutting the blower motor > hole for the big GM blower motor before I go into how much better it > is?? > > Mike > > > Rich wrote: >> >> Wow! Thanks Mike. I didn't know that. I'll change gears on that real >> quick. >> I actually have changed my mind and am going to rip the whole ventilation >> system out, take it apart and regasket/seal everything. I might as well >> do >> it right than have to do it again in a year. My old CJ is around to stay. >> I've been an off and on reader/poster here for about 8 or 10 years but >> lately I've just lost interest with all the junk that comes onboard. Glad >> to >> see some of the old posters are still around. >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:45A3BA80.1C94ED67@sympatico.ca... >> > There was a reason I mentioned butyl caulk... >> > >> > Unfortunately GE silicone cures for years while putting out acetic acid >> > fumes. When these fumes contact water, they eat steel. They eat it >> > really well. I have seen more vinyl tops that were repaired with >> > silicone peel the whole roof off when a real repair was finally needed >> > than not. Same for windshields, the whole frame edge come out with the >> > glass if installed with silicone. >> > >> > Someone on this group was involved in testing the outgassing of >> > silicone >> > for the space program, and it failed due to never stopping to outgas. >> > >> > The acetic acid fumes will also 'instantly' kill an O2 sensor. I know >> > folks that have fried the O2 sensor by just using silicone on the front >> > differential cover. >> > >> > They do make some types of RTV silicone that is 'sensor safe' now a >> > days. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > Rich wrote: >> >> >> >> I went and looked again and also found the holes where the vent cover >> >> screws >> >> go in are leaking. I got a tube of GE silicon 2 outdoor sealant and >> >> gouped >> >> the screws and the seams. Once it dries I'll give it another test. >> >> Right >> >> now >> >> I have the dash completely off which made it easier to check for >> >> leaks. >> >> If >> >> this doesn't work, the whole shooting match is coming out and I'm >> >> going >> >> to >> >> reseal everything down to the knat's ass. It will be a real pain but >> >> I'm >> >> thinking it will be the best solution. The windshield rubber is >> >> relatively >> >> new and is holding fine. I have a good seal there. >> >> >> >> Also when I'm done I'll post pics of the new dashboard. I though it >> >> would >> >> be a piece of cake, but making sure everything is arranged so it can >> >> be >> >> seen >> >> AND fit within the constraints of the stuff behind the dash is proving >> >> to >> >> be >> >> a challenge. >> >> I'm going to make a cardboard mock-up before actually cutting metal. >> >> >> >> ThanksMike, >> >> Rich >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:45A2DC6E.32B5EEE8@sympatico.ca... >> >> >I would go for a small can of roofing membrane, the one you can roll >> >> >or >> >> > brush on. maybe as a second choice, some butyl caulk I could maybe >> >> > get >> >> > my finger to ------ on the seam from the top. >> >> > >> >> > Other than that, the windshield or it's frame gasket can leak into >> >> > the >> >> > defrost duct.... >> >> > >> >> > The windshield frame gasket can also leak down the back of the dash. >> >> > >> >> > Mike >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > >> >> > Rich wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Guys, need an idea here. MY CJ is getting progressively worse about >> >> >> leaking >> >> >> water through the ventilation system when it rains. The drain is >> >> >> clear >> >> >> (I've >> >> >> checked and cleared it a bunch of times.). I have found what I >> >> >> think >> >> >> is >> >> >> the >> >> >> problem but the cure is going to be a PITA. >> >> >> The airbox above the heater has a seam running around it where the >> >> >> top >> >> >> and >> >> >> bottom halves meet. It looks like water is leaking in from between >> >> >> the >> >> >> halves. I had my daughter run the hose outside while I checked it >> >> >> from >> >> >> the >> >> >> inside and I'm 98% sure that is the source. >> >> >> So here are my 2 questions. >> >> >> 1. Has anyone ever had this problem before or something like it >> >> >> that >> >> >> turned >> >> >> out to be something else? >> >> >> 2. Without tearing everything out above the heater assy, does >> >> >> anyone >> >> >> have >> >> >> a >> >> >> suggestion? >> >> >> I've thought of going to home despot and buying some flexible >> >> >> rubber >> >> >> membrane roof sheathing then using it to seal the seams from inside >> >> >> the >> >> >> plenum... >> >> >> >> >> >> Thoughts, comments? >> >> >> >> >> >> Rich Harris |
Re: Water on the carpet in my CJ
I don't have a link to it (no website), but I did the mod years ago. Well
worth the time and money spent. Everyone with a CJ should have it. Rich "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45A42A89.6FB04638@sympatico.ca... > What are you using for a heater blower motor? > > Ok, are you the person I think with the link to cutting the blower motor > hole for the big GM blower motor before I go into how much better it > is?? > > Mike > > > Rich wrote: >> >> Wow! Thanks Mike. I didn't know that. I'll change gears on that real >> quick. >> I actually have changed my mind and am going to rip the whole ventilation >> system out, take it apart and regasket/seal everything. I might as well >> do >> it right than have to do it again in a year. My old CJ is around to stay. >> I've been an off and on reader/poster here for about 8 or 10 years but >> lately I've just lost interest with all the junk that comes onboard. Glad >> to >> see some of the old posters are still around. >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:45A3BA80.1C94ED67@sympatico.ca... >> > There was a reason I mentioned butyl caulk... >> > >> > Unfortunately GE silicone cures for years while putting out acetic acid >> > fumes. When these fumes contact water, they eat steel. They eat it >> > really well. I have seen more vinyl tops that were repaired with >> > silicone peel the whole roof off when a real repair was finally needed >> > than not. Same for windshields, the whole frame edge come out with the >> > glass if installed with silicone. >> > >> > Someone on this group was involved in testing the outgassing of >> > silicone >> > for the space program, and it failed due to never stopping to outgas. >> > >> > The acetic acid fumes will also 'instantly' kill an O2 sensor. I know >> > folks that have fried the O2 sensor by just using silicone on the front >> > differential cover. >> > >> > They do make some types of RTV silicone that is 'sensor safe' now a >> > days. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > Rich wrote: >> >> >> >> I went and looked again and also found the holes where the vent cover >> >> screws >> >> go in are leaking. I got a tube of GE silicon 2 outdoor sealant and >> >> gouped >> >> the screws and the seams. Once it dries I'll give it another test. >> >> Right >> >> now >> >> I have the dash completely off which made it easier to check for >> >> leaks. >> >> If >> >> this doesn't work, the whole shooting match is coming out and I'm >> >> going >> >> to >> >> reseal everything down to the knat's ass. It will be a real pain but >> >> I'm >> >> thinking it will be the best solution. The windshield rubber is >> >> relatively >> >> new and is holding fine. I have a good seal there. >> >> >> >> Also when I'm done I'll post pics of the new dashboard. I though it >> >> would >> >> be a piece of cake, but making sure everything is arranged so it can >> >> be >> >> seen >> >> AND fit within the constraints of the stuff behind the dash is proving >> >> to >> >> be >> >> a challenge. >> >> I'm going to make a cardboard mock-up before actually cutting metal. >> >> >> >> ThanksMike, >> >> Rich >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:45A2DC6E.32B5EEE8@sympatico.ca... >> >> >I would go for a small can of roofing membrane, the one you can roll >> >> >or >> >> > brush on. maybe as a second choice, some butyl caulk I could maybe >> >> > get >> >> > my finger to ------ on the seam from the top. >> >> > >> >> > Other than that, the windshield or it's frame gasket can leak into >> >> > the >> >> > defrost duct.... >> >> > >> >> > The windshield frame gasket can also leak down the back of the dash. >> >> > >> >> > Mike >> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> > >> >> > Rich wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Guys, need an idea here. MY CJ is getting progressively worse about >> >> >> leaking >> >> >> water through the ventilation system when it rains. The drain is >> >> >> clear >> >> >> (I've >> >> >> checked and cleared it a bunch of times.). I have found what I >> >> >> think >> >> >> is >> >> >> the >> >> >> problem but the cure is going to be a PITA. >> >> >> The airbox above the heater has a seam running around it where the >> >> >> top >> >> >> and >> >> >> bottom halves meet. It looks like water is leaking in from between >> >> >> the >> >> >> halves. I had my daughter run the hose outside while I checked it >> >> >> from >> >> >> the >> >> >> inside and I'm 98% sure that is the source. >> >> >> So here are my 2 questions. >> >> >> 1. Has anyone ever had this problem before or something like it >> >> >> that >> >> >> turned >> >> >> out to be something else? >> >> >> 2. Without tearing everything out above the heater assy, does >> >> >> anyone >> >> >> have >> >> >> a >> >> >> suggestion? >> >> >> I've thought of going to home despot and buying some flexible >> >> >> rubber >> >> >> membrane roof sheathing then using it to seal the seams from inside >> >> >> the >> >> >> plenum... >> >> >> >> >> >> Thoughts, comments? >> >> >> >> >> >> Rich Harris |
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