Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

The 4 are needed for the way DC electricity works in two directions. In
order not to have a dead short when you turn it on forward, you need a
second solenoid to break the reverse circuit. Then when you go reverse,
you need another second solenoid to break the forward circuit.

These are long use solenoids that can be smoked out from heavy use even
as you have found out. An intermittent one will let the smoke out on
the first heavy load.

The HS9000i I have can load up enough to smoke the heat shrink off the
battery cable connectors if you stall it while bending a hook open.
That would instantly kill an intermittent solenoid. My warn solenoids
are still working......

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Randy wrote:
>
> Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> overheating the solenoids?
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > Bingo.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

The 4 are needed for the way DC electricity works in two directions. In
order not to have a dead short when you turn it on forward, you need a
second solenoid to break the reverse circuit. Then when you go reverse,
you need another second solenoid to break the forward circuit.

These are long use solenoids that can be smoked out from heavy use even
as you have found out. An intermittent one will let the smoke out on
the first heavy load.

The HS9000i I have can load up enough to smoke the heat shrink off the
battery cable connectors if you stall it while bending a hook open.
That would instantly kill an intermittent solenoid. My warn solenoids
are still working......

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Randy wrote:
>
> Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> overheating the solenoids?
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > Bingo.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

Hi Randy,
http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
solenoids are not used in series as if one would not be enough. They use
two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
then you have to let it cool.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Randy wrote:
>
> Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> overheating the solenoids?
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > Bingo.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

Hi Randy,
http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
solenoids are not used in series as if one would not be enough. They use
two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
then you have to let it cool.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Randy wrote:
>
> Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> overheating the solenoids?
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > Bingo.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

Hi Randy,
http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
solenoids are not used in series as if one would not be enough. They use
two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
then you have to let it cool.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Randy wrote:
>
> Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> overheating the solenoids?
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > Bingo.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

I meant the word parallel, instead of series.
>
> Hi Randy,
> http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
> solenoids are not used in parallel as if one would not be enough. They use
> two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
> volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
> in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
> positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
> out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
> the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
> danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
> last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
> then you have to let it cool.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Randy wrote:
> >
> > Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> > quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> > do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> > When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> > use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> > motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> > How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> > overheating the solenoids?
> >
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > Bingo.
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

I meant the word parallel, instead of series.
>
> Hi Randy,
> http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
> solenoids are not used in parallel as if one would not be enough. They use
> two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
> volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
> in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
> positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
> out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
> the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
> danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
> last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
> then you have to let it cool.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Randy wrote:
> >
> > Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> > quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> > do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> > When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> > use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> > motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> > How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> > overheating the solenoids?
> >
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > Bingo.
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

I meant the word parallel, instead of series.
>
> Hi Randy,
> http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
> solenoids are not used in parallel as if one would not be enough. They use
> two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
> volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
> in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
> positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
> out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
> the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
> danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
> last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
> then you have to let it cool.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Randy wrote:
> >
> > Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> > quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> > do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> > When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> > use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> > motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> > How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> > overheating the solenoids?
> >
> > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > Bingo.
> > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

Thanks, Bill, the explanation makes it all clear now.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I meant the word parallel, instead of series.
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
> > solenoids are not used in parallel as if one would not be enough. They use
> > two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
> > volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
> > in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
> > positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
> > out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
> > the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
> > danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
> > last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
> > then you have to let it cool.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Randy wrote:
> > >
> > > Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> > > quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> > > do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> > > When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> > > use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> > > motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> > > How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> > > overheating the solenoids?
> > >
> > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > > Bingo.
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.

Re: Warn HS9500I wiring
 

Thanks, Bill, the explanation makes it all clear now.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I meant the word parallel, instead of series.
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> > http://www.----------.com/temp/warnSolenoidsDiagram.jpg We see the
> > solenoids are not used in parallel as if one would not be enough. They use
> > two each direction. We know what triggers a solenoid is one small twelve
> > volt wire, so from the diagram in and out control switch we see reeling
> > in would power solenoids two and three, making the connects battery
> > positive to motor B through to A and out to C through to ground. Reeling
> > out swaps A and B. The solenoids are like a '56 Ford would use, their
> > the same as commercial trucks. I would say the solenoids are in less
> > danger of melting than the motor, that like the best truck starter would
> > last about thirty seconds, for a winch that would be under full pull,
> > then you have to let it cool.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Randy wrote:
> > >
> > > Why is it necessary to have 4 solenoids to operate the winch? Is this
> > > quantity required in order to complete the wiring or is it something to
> > > do with the amount of heat generated by the solenoids?
> > > When I went to buy a solenoid today, one supplier said there are "long
> > > use" solenoids and "intermittent use" solenoids as used on starting
> > > motors. Is there a big difference in the construction?
> > > How long should I safely be able to operate the winch before
> > > overheating the solenoids?
> > >
> > > L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> > > > Bingo.
> > > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It'll do that if there is no direct ground connection to the battery and is
> > > > > chassis grounded, but you're connecting directly to the battery, I assume.