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Bret Ludwig 08-25-2005 08:24 PM

Want another gauge?
 
Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
boiling over or not.


DougW 08-25-2005 09:05 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.


And you can cross off an O2 gauge unless your still using a carb.
Unless you want to see lights scrolling back and forth as the computer
constantly hunts for the perfect mix. :)

The Vac/Pressure (or just Vac) is a good thing. It will tell you if
you have a plugged cat, bad valve, intake leak, and is a good overall
indication of engine health and happyness.

Yea.. I have one. It's neet but I'd trade it for a fuel pressure gauge.

A pyrometer might be more useful as an indication of overall rich/lean
Tranny Temp for those that tow stuff.

--
DougW



DougW 08-25-2005 09:05 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.


And you can cross off an O2 gauge unless your still using a carb.
Unless you want to see lights scrolling back and forth as the computer
constantly hunts for the perfect mix. :)

The Vac/Pressure (or just Vac) is a good thing. It will tell you if
you have a plugged cat, bad valve, intake leak, and is a good overall
indication of engine health and happyness.

Yea.. I have one. It's neet but I'd trade it for a fuel pressure gauge.

A pyrometer might be more useful as an indication of overall rich/lean
Tranny Temp for those that tow stuff.

--
DougW



DougW 08-25-2005 09:05 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.


And you can cross off an O2 gauge unless your still using a carb.
Unless you want to see lights scrolling back and forth as the computer
constantly hunts for the perfect mix. :)

The Vac/Pressure (or just Vac) is a good thing. It will tell you if
you have a plugged cat, bad valve, intake leak, and is a good overall
indication of engine health and happyness.

Yea.. I have one. It's neet but I'd trade it for a fuel pressure gauge.

A pyrometer might be more useful as an indication of overall rich/lean
Tranny Temp for those that tow stuff.

--
DougW



DougW 08-25-2005 09:05 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Bret Ludwig did pass the time by typing:
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.


And you can cross off an O2 gauge unless your still using a carb.
Unless you want to see lights scrolling back and forth as the computer
constantly hunts for the perfect mix. :)

The Vac/Pressure (or just Vac) is a good thing. It will tell you if
you have a plugged cat, bad valve, intake leak, and is a good overall
indication of engine health and happyness.

Yea.. I have one. It's neet but I'd trade it for a fuel pressure gauge.

A pyrometer might be more useful as an indication of overall rich/lean
Tranny Temp for those that tow stuff.

--
DougW



Bret Ludwig 08-25-2005 11:47 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
A pyro, or correctly EGT, is very useful for tuning but if you are not
rejetting or remapping your fuel delivery it's useless on a gasoline
engine (or unless you have a mixture knob on the wheel like they did
iin the 1920's-aircraft still do.) Diesel operators like them for
driving technique.

The "vacuum" gauge, more accurately manifold pressure, is indeed
useful. Especially on auto trans vehicles. It should be calibrated in
absolute pressure, inches of mercury, which is not the customary
automotive way. If you have a carb with a venturi vacuum port (for
distributor advance) it's fun to get a double MP indicator, hook one to
the manifold, one to the carb port-but not that useful. The days of
cheap surplus aircraft instruments are over-they had radium dials and
were bought back and buried.


Bret Ludwig 08-25-2005 11:47 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
A pyro, or correctly EGT, is very useful for tuning but if you are not
rejetting or remapping your fuel delivery it's useless on a gasoline
engine (or unless you have a mixture knob on the wheel like they did
iin the 1920's-aircraft still do.) Diesel operators like them for
driving technique.

The "vacuum" gauge, more accurately manifold pressure, is indeed
useful. Especially on auto trans vehicles. It should be calibrated in
absolute pressure, inches of mercury, which is not the customary
automotive way. If you have a carb with a venturi vacuum port (for
distributor advance) it's fun to get a double MP indicator, hook one to
the manifold, one to the carb port-but not that useful. The days of
cheap surplus aircraft instruments are over-they had radium dials and
were bought back and buried.


Bret Ludwig 08-25-2005 11:47 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
A pyro, or correctly EGT, is very useful for tuning but if you are not
rejetting or remapping your fuel delivery it's useless on a gasoline
engine (or unless you have a mixture knob on the wheel like they did
iin the 1920's-aircraft still do.) Diesel operators like them for
driving technique.

The "vacuum" gauge, more accurately manifold pressure, is indeed
useful. Especially on auto trans vehicles. It should be calibrated in
absolute pressure, inches of mercury, which is not the customary
automotive way. If you have a carb with a venturi vacuum port (for
distributor advance) it's fun to get a double MP indicator, hook one to
the manifold, one to the carb port-but not that useful. The days of
cheap surplus aircraft instruments are over-they had radium dials and
were bought back and buried.


Bret Ludwig 08-25-2005 11:47 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
A pyro, or correctly EGT, is very useful for tuning but if you are not
rejetting or remapping your fuel delivery it's useless on a gasoline
engine (or unless you have a mixture knob on the wheel like they did
iin the 1920's-aircraft still do.) Diesel operators like them for
driving technique.

The "vacuum" gauge, more accurately manifold pressure, is indeed
useful. Especially on auto trans vehicles. It should be calibrated in
absolute pressure, inches of mercury, which is not the customary
automotive way. If you have a carb with a venturi vacuum port (for
distributor advance) it's fun to get a double MP indicator, hook one to
the manifold, one to the carb port-but not that useful. The days of
cheap surplus aircraft instruments are over-they had radium dials and
were bought back and buried.


Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:40 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Coolant pressure tells you nothing that coolant temperature doesn't. When
your system is under pressure, there is a one-to-one relationship. After
going through a couple of boil-overs with both gauges in place, you would
realize this.

There is a vacuum indicator on my YJ. You are supposed to watch your shift
points, so that it does not come on. Once you get the hang of driving the
vehicle, it is useless.

One thing that I would like to see, is a gauge that tells you the "edginess"
of the person in the passenger's seat, and when she is about to boil over.
Then, you could back off on whatever you are doing. ;o)

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125015893.233255.255730@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.
>




Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:40 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Coolant pressure tells you nothing that coolant temperature doesn't. When
your system is under pressure, there is a one-to-one relationship. After
going through a couple of boil-overs with both gauges in place, you would
realize this.

There is a vacuum indicator on my YJ. You are supposed to watch your shift
points, so that it does not come on. Once you get the hang of driving the
vehicle, it is useless.

One thing that I would like to see, is a gauge that tells you the "edginess"
of the person in the passenger's seat, and when she is about to boil over.
Then, you could back off on whatever you are doing. ;o)

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125015893.233255.255730@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.
>




Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:40 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Coolant pressure tells you nothing that coolant temperature doesn't. When
your system is under pressure, there is a one-to-one relationship. After
going through a couple of boil-overs with both gauges in place, you would
realize this.

There is a vacuum indicator on my YJ. You are supposed to watch your shift
points, so that it does not come on. Once you get the hang of driving the
vehicle, it is useless.

One thing that I would like to see, is a gauge that tells you the "edginess"
of the person in the passenger's seat, and when she is about to boil over.
Then, you could back off on whatever you are doing. ;o)

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125015893.233255.255730@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.
>




Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:40 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Coolant pressure tells you nothing that coolant temperature doesn't. When
your system is under pressure, there is a one-to-one relationship. After
going through a couple of boil-overs with both gauges in place, you would
realize this.

There is a vacuum indicator on my YJ. You are supposed to watch your shift
points, so that it does not come on. Once you get the hang of driving the
vehicle, it is useless.

One thing that I would like to see, is a gauge that tells you the "edginess"
of the person in the passenger's seat, and when she is about to boil over.
Then, you could back off on whatever you are doing. ;o)

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125015893.233255.255730@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil temperature gauges on liquid cooled engines are not that useful,
> except for R&D. If you want to put one more gauge on think about a
> coolant pressure gauge. A little thing no one ever thinks of-but it
> lets you know if you have a problem very effectively. As long as you
> know the pressure your cap vents at you know if you are going to start
> boiling over or not.
>




Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 12:43 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
you have a problem!

If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
probably.

If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
catastrophic loss of coolant.


Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 12:43 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
you have a problem!

If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
probably.

If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
catastrophic loss of coolant.


Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 12:43 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
you have a problem!

If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
probably.

If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
catastrophic loss of coolant.


Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 12:43 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
you have a problem!

If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
probably.

If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
catastrophic loss of coolant.


Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:17 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125031399.500277.76600@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
> know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
> funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
> you have a problem!
>
> If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
> probably.
>
> If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
> catastrophic loss of coolant.
>




Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:17 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125031399.500277.76600@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
> know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
> funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
> you have a problem!
>
> If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
> probably.
>
> If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
> catastrophic loss of coolant.
>




Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:17 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125031399.500277.76600@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
> know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
> funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
> you have a problem!
>
> If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
> probably.
>
> If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
> catastrophic loss of coolant.
>




Earle Horton 08-26-2005 12:17 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125031399.500277.76600@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> If you have ever had a coolant loss you didn't smell or see you would
> know that in such a case the temp gauge may stay in the green until
> funny noises start happening. If the pressure and temp are NOT in sync
> you have a problem!
>
> If the temp is high and pressure is normal you have a slow leak very
> probably.
>
> If the temp is high and you have NO pressure you have had a
> catastrophic loss of coolant.
>




Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
> ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
> to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
> low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
> that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
> which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.
>


I lost a Slant 6 in an old surplus telco truck when the old radiator
developed a pinhole leak on the highway. The hoses were harder than
prom night and the engine started making loud noises and burnt steel
smell all of a sudden. Temp gauge stayed over normal but not in the
red the whole time. When the level got low enough the hole was covered
by steam pressure dropped dramatically and fast-but by then the damage
was done.

I wound up getting another slant 6 for fifty bucks and it is still
running AFAIK....kid pulled it from his van, then found out how hard it
is to convert Mopars from one engine to another.

The temp of the liquid was high as hell...but not the sensor. Go
figure.


Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
> ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
> to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
> low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
> that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
> which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.
>


I lost a Slant 6 in an old surplus telco truck when the old radiator
developed a pinhole leak on the highway. The hoses were harder than
prom night and the engine started making loud noises and burnt steel
smell all of a sudden. Temp gauge stayed over normal but not in the
red the whole time. When the level got low enough the hole was covered
by steam pressure dropped dramatically and fast-but by then the damage
was done.

I wound up getting another slant 6 for fifty bucks and it is still
running AFAIK....kid pulled it from his van, then found out how hard it
is to convert Mopars from one engine to another.

The temp of the liquid was high as hell...but not the sensor. Go
figure.


Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
> ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
> to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
> low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
> that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
> which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.
>


I lost a Slant 6 in an old surplus telco truck when the old radiator
developed a pinhole leak on the highway. The hoses were harder than
prom night and the engine started making loud noises and burnt steel
smell all of a sudden. Temp gauge stayed over normal but not in the
red the whole time. When the level got low enough the hole was covered
by steam pressure dropped dramatically and fast-but by then the damage
was done.

I wound up getting another slant 6 for fifty bucks and it is still
running AFAIK....kid pulled it from his van, then found out how hard it
is to convert Mopars from one engine to another.

The temp of the liquid was high as hell...but not the sensor. Go
figure.


Bret Ludwig 08-26-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 

Earle Horton wrote:
> Gauges cannot take the place of periodic (i.e. every day) inspection of the
> ground under the vehicle, the under-hood area, etc. I don't need a gauge,
> to tell me that the coolant reservoir is empty. I am interested in this
> low-temperature, high-pressure, "funny noises" scenario. That would imply
> that the engine is getting hot, but away from the temperature sensor area,
> which is the cylinder head. That just doesn't make sense.
>


I lost a Slant 6 in an old surplus telco truck when the old radiator
developed a pinhole leak on the highway. The hoses were harder than
prom night and the engine started making loud noises and burnt steel
smell all of a sudden. Temp gauge stayed over normal but not in the
red the whole time. When the level got low enough the hole was covered
by steam pressure dropped dramatically and fast-but by then the damage
was done.

I wound up getting another slant 6 for fifty bucks and it is still
running AFAIK....kid pulled it from his van, then found out how hard it
is to convert Mopars from one engine to another.

The temp of the liquid was high as hell...but not the sensor. Go
figure.


Mood 08-30-2005 11:42 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
symptoms.

I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.

A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.

Admitting my own stupidity

-Jimmy


Mood 08-30-2005 11:42 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
symptoms.

I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.

A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.

Admitting my own stupidity

-Jimmy


Mood 08-30-2005 11:42 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
symptoms.

I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.

A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.

Admitting my own stupidity

-Jimmy


Mood 08-30-2005 11:42 AM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
symptoms.

I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.

A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.

Admitting my own stupidity

-Jimmy


Earle Horton 09-01-2005 12:37 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
I see why you say this, but it is fixing the wrong problem. What you
needed, was a dependable termperature gauge. In my experience, the
temperature gauges that I have had worked for me. Defective gauge? Loose
connection? Operator not looking at it? All of these can affect a pressure
gauge, too.

Earle

"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
> any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
> of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
> was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
> submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
> symptoms.
>
> I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
> noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
> stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
> even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
> tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
> At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
> and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.
>
> A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.
>
> Admitting my own stupidity
>
> -Jimmy
>




Earle Horton 09-01-2005 12:37 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
I see why you say this, but it is fixing the wrong problem. What you
needed, was a dependable termperature gauge. In my experience, the
temperature gauges that I have had worked for me. Defective gauge? Loose
connection? Operator not looking at it? All of these can affect a pressure
gauge, too.

Earle

"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125416537.279536.315640@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
> any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
> of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
> was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
> submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
> symptoms.
>
> I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
> noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
> stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
> even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
> tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
> At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
> and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.
>
> A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.
>
> Admitting my own stupidity
>
> -Jimmy
>




Earle Horton 09-01-2005 12:37 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
I see why you say this, but it is fixing the wrong problem. What you
needed, was a dependable termperature gauge. In my experience, the
temperature gauges that I have had worked for me. Defective gauge? Loose
connection? Operator not looking at it? All of these can affect a pressure
gauge, too.

Earle

"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125416537.279536.315640@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
> any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
> of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
> was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
> submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
> symptoms.
>
> I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
> noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
> stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
> even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
> tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
> At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
> and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.
>
> A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.
>
> Admitting my own stupidity
>
> -Jimmy
>




Earle Horton 09-01-2005 12:37 PM

Re: Want another gauge?
 
I see why you say this, but it is fixing the wrong problem. What you
needed, was a dependable termperature gauge. In my experience, the
temperature gauges that I have had worked for me. Defective gauge? Loose
connection? Operator not looking at it? All of these can affect a pressure
gauge, too.

Earle

"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125416537.279536.315640@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> On my 98 TJ, I was 4-wheeling in some big icy mud puddles before I knew
> any better. The ice (I assume) broke off the collector off the bottom
> of my radiator and lost ALL the coolant in a big puddle. The problem
> was I had no idea, the coolant must have dumped while the radiator was
> submerged in the puddle because there was no steam or any other
> symptoms.
>
> I got out of the woods alright, but as I was driving down the road, I
> noticed a loss of power. Then it started pinging, then it started
> stalling. The temperature gauge was actually a little on the LOW side,
> even though the engine was seizing. I should have stopped and got a
> tow after the pinging but I really didn't know any better at the time.
> At least I learn quick but the Jeep ended up needing a new short-block
> and re-machine on the sealing surfaces of the head.
>
> A coolant pressure gauge would have been mighty handy at that time.
>
> Admitting my own stupidity
>
> -Jimmy
>





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