Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing:
> Approximately 11/15/03 18:07, Will Honea uttered for posterity: >> Lifter tapping and lifter not pumped up amount to the same thing. >> Problem with Doug's idea is that the lifters are in the bottom of the >> block and I don't think they can be replaced from the top so you're >> looking at having to pull the cam shaft. I don't know that it's >> doable in place - not because of accessibility but you run out of room >> to work. > > Claim is that they can be removed from the top, but needs removal > of the: > cylinder head cover > rocker assemblies > push rod > intake and exhaust manifold. > > Whether or not the Chrysler C-4129-A tool is available to > buy and use is unknown, but with it on the 4.0 that is all > the FSM claims is needed. > > I still think checking the distributor as someone else noted > is a good idea first... > > SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking > down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil > treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix. aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil.. But to pull the lifters you have to take the head off and that does require removal of the rocker assembly and manifolds. ... it's not that hard to do .. If you do this... First time you can re-use the head bolts. Second time you need to use new head bolts. Always use a new gasket. Even if the book says otherwise. -- DougW |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption are all fine. So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it seems ok. Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts? Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of permanent cures this noise? There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself? |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption are all fine. So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it seems ok. Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts? Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of permanent cures this noise? There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself? |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine
works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption are all fine. So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it seems ok. Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts? Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of permanent cures this noise? There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself? |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
"Robert Goldpalm" <goldpalm@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message news:68468edd.0311160447.cafd09@posting.google.com ... > Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine > works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption > are all fine. > > So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an > annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it > seems ok. > > Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts? > Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of > permanent cures this noise? > > There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make > this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design > of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself? Robert, Normally I don't recommend adding "miracle cures" to oil because most of them are useless. However, I did try some lifter and valve treatment made by PB Blaster one time. The stuff actually fixed some noisy lifters in an old beater car I had. I suspect this stuff was some type of detergent to clean the garbage out of the lifters and valve guides. Something like this may work IF the cause of your noise is a sticky lifter. If it is a lifter that is bleeding down and not holding pressure because it is worn, then I doubt that anything will help other than replacing the lifter(s). Chris |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
"Robert Goldpalm" <goldpalm@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message news:68468edd.0311160447.cafd09@posting.google.com ... > Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine > works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption > are all fine. > > So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an > annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it > seems ok. > > Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts? > Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of > permanent cures this noise? > > There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make > this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design > of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself? Robert, Normally I don't recommend adding "miracle cures" to oil because most of them are useless. However, I did try some lifter and valve treatment made by PB Blaster one time. The stuff actually fixed some noisy lifters in an old beater car I had. I suspect this stuff was some type of detergent to clean the garbage out of the lifters and valve guides. Something like this may work IF the cause of your noise is a sticky lifter. If it is a lifter that is bleeding down and not holding pressure because it is worn, then I doubt that anything will help other than replacing the lifter(s). Chris |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
"Robert Goldpalm" <goldpalm@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message news:68468edd.0311160447.cafd09@posting.google.com ... > Today, I had the car for a 400-Miles drive. The engine > works well. Power, oil pressure, gas consumption > are all fine. > > So far, the noise is only a cosmetic problem, but an > annoying one. Checked on the distributor, but it > seems ok. > > Any way to fix a leaking lifter without replacing parts? > Any snake oil or mystery additive out there, that kind of > permanent cures this noise? > > There are quit a few messages here saying, that all 4 L 6 make > this noise, sooner or later, and that it is inherent to the design > of this engine. Is that really so? Would it go away by itself? Robert, Normally I don't recommend adding "miracle cures" to oil because most of them are useless. However, I did try some lifter and valve treatment made by PB Blaster one time. The stuff actually fixed some noisy lifters in an old beater car I had. I suspect this stuff was some type of detergent to clean the garbage out of the lifters and valve guides. Something like this may work IF the cause of your noise is a sticky lifter. If it is a lifter that is bleeding down and not holding pressure because it is worn, then I doubt that anything will help other than replacing the lifter(s). Chris |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
Approximately 11/16/03 00:18, DougW uttered for posterity:
> Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing: >> SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking >> down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil >> treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix. > > aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil.. Minor correction here. Marvel Mystery is a very thin oil claimed to be useful for helping remove crud, expanding loose seals, mixing with synth, curing warts, etc. However Marvel Mystery is not a substitute for Motor Honey or STP Oil treatment. Both Motor Honey and STP Oil Treatment are extremely thick and extremely slippery substances and both can be thick enough that they will not drain down from a marginal lifter. Unlike normal oil, both of these also remain lubricating even when thicker than cold honey, as the old trick of trying to hold a screwdriver in your fingers that has been coated with STP demonstrates. You can also, in an emergency, run an air cooled engine in the Baja with nothing but STP in the crankcase, as also was proven. The STP treatment was fairly common on old Corvair engines that had a bad habit of lifter collapse. -- My governor can kick your governor's ass |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
Approximately 11/16/03 00:18, DougW uttered for posterity:
> Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing: >> SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking >> down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil >> treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix. > > aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil.. Minor correction here. Marvel Mystery is a very thin oil claimed to be useful for helping remove crud, expanding loose seals, mixing with synth, curing warts, etc. However Marvel Mystery is not a substitute for Motor Honey or STP Oil treatment. Both Motor Honey and STP Oil Treatment are extremely thick and extremely slippery substances and both can be thick enough that they will not drain down from a marginal lifter. Unlike normal oil, both of these also remain lubricating even when thicker than cold honey, as the old trick of trying to hold a screwdriver in your fingers that has been coated with STP demonstrates. You can also, in an emergency, run an air cooled engine in the Baja with nothing but STP in the crankcase, as also was proven. The STP treatment was fairly common on old Corvair engines that had a bad habit of lifter collapse. -- My governor can kick your governor's ass |
Re: Ttick, tick, tick from the engine
Approximately 11/16/03 00:18, DougW uttered for posterity:
> Lon Stowell did pass the time by typing: >> SOMETIMES a ticking lifter can be convinced to quit leaking >> down by a shot of motor honey or other similar to stp oil >> treatment... as a diagnostic not a fix. > > aka. Top cylinder lube. Marvelous Mystery Oil.. Minor correction here. Marvel Mystery is a very thin oil claimed to be useful for helping remove crud, expanding loose seals, mixing with synth, curing warts, etc. However Marvel Mystery is not a substitute for Motor Honey or STP Oil treatment. Both Motor Honey and STP Oil Treatment are extremely thick and extremely slippery substances and both can be thick enough that they will not drain down from a marginal lifter. Unlike normal oil, both of these also remain lubricating even when thicker than cold honey, as the old trick of trying to hold a screwdriver in your fingers that has been coated with STP demonstrates. You can also, in an emergency, run an air cooled engine in the Baja with nothing but STP in the crankcase, as also was proven. The STP treatment was fairly common on old Corvair engines that had a bad habit of lifter collapse. -- My governor can kick your governor's ass |
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