Transmission Swap
 

I have more than a little apprehension here but, what the heck. My CJ has a
fully functional quadratrac with an anutomatic transmission (It's a GM THM
tranny). From what I've read, if you're going to have an automatic, this is
the one that you want. The only real problem here is that I do not really
want an automatic transmission. I have not convinced myself one way or
another but, If I knew about a manual tranny with a front axle that I could
lock out, I would probably buy it or swap it. I'm only thinking about it
right now.... Trying to determine if it's worth the change.

Any thoughts, ideas, insults?

Thanks,

Chip

Re: Transmission Swap
 

When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.

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"Chip" <cjenkins1@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I have more than a little apprehension here but, what the heck. My CJ has
>a fully functional quadratrac with an anutomatic transmission (It's a GM
>THM tranny). From what I've read, if you're going to have an automatic,
>this is the one that you want. The only real problem here is that I do not
>really want an automatic transmission. I have not convinced myself one way
>or another but, If I knew about a manual tranny with a front axle that I
>could lock out, I would probably buy it or swap it. I'm only thinking
>about it right now.... Trying to determine if it's worth the change.
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, insults?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip
>
>

Re: Transmission Swap
 

When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.

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"Chip" <cjenkins1@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I have more than a little apprehension here but, what the heck. My CJ has
>a fully functional quadratrac with an anutomatic transmission (It's a GM
>THM tranny). From what I've read, if you're going to have an automatic,
>this is the one that you want. The only real problem here is that I do not
>really want an automatic transmission. I have not convinced myself one way
>or another but, If I knew about a manual tranny with a front axle that I
>could lock out, I would probably buy it or swap it. I'm only thinking
>about it right now.... Trying to determine if it's worth the change.
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, insults?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip
>
>

Re: Transmission Swap
 

When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.

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"Chip" <cjenkins1@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I have more than a little apprehension here but, what the heck. My CJ has
>a fully functional quadratrac with an anutomatic transmission (It's a GM
>THM tranny). From what I've read, if you're going to have an automatic,
>this is the one that you want. The only real problem here is that I do not
>really want an automatic transmission. I have not convinced myself one way
>or another but, If I knew about a manual tranny with a front axle that I
>could lock out, I would probably buy it or swap it. I'm only thinking
>about it right now.... Trying to determine if it's worth the change.
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, insults?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip
>
>

Re: Transmission Swap
 

Billy Ray wrote:
> When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
> think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
> readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
> amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.
>

If you find a manual trans car at the junkyard get EVERYTHING or see
if they will sell you the whole car so you can haul it home. And the
manuals.

You of course can find various manual trans that can be made to fit,
and if you can find the parts manual see all the changes needed. You
will need the clutch pedal, the mount, if it's hydraulic the master
cylinder, there will be a slave cylinder or now they have the internal
concentric cylinder, etc.

A very educational project although time consuming.

The problem is all the GOOD 5 and 6 speed manuals are high dollar. If
you are highway driving today you want a 5 or 6 speed manual or a 4
speed automatic. Four speed manuals are mostly cheap because no one
wants them, and rightly not. If it's off road only you may not care.
Clark school bus transmissions can be had reasonable too, same reason,
no wannum-they are HEAVY.

I can't believe anyone but a restorer or a Rolls Royce owner would F
with a THM anymore. The 700R4 has four gears and with the good guy
parts is damn near bulletproof.

Re: Transmission Swap
 

Billy Ray wrote:
> When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
> think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
> readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
> amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.
>

If you find a manual trans car at the junkyard get EVERYTHING or see
if they will sell you the whole car so you can haul it home. And the
manuals.

You of course can find various manual trans that can be made to fit,
and if you can find the parts manual see all the changes needed. You
will need the clutch pedal, the mount, if it's hydraulic the master
cylinder, there will be a slave cylinder or now they have the internal
concentric cylinder, etc.

A very educational project although time consuming.

The problem is all the GOOD 5 and 6 speed manuals are high dollar. If
you are highway driving today you want a 5 or 6 speed manual or a 4
speed automatic. Four speed manuals are mostly cheap because no one
wants them, and rightly not. If it's off road only you may not care.
Clark school bus transmissions can be had reasonable too, same reason,
no wannum-they are HEAVY.

I can't believe anyone but a restorer or a Rolls Royce owner would F
with a THM anymore. The 700R4 has four gears and with the good guy
parts is damn near bulletproof.

Re: Transmission Swap
 

Billy Ray wrote:
> When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
> think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
> readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
> amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.
>

If you find a manual trans car at the junkyard get EVERYTHING or see
if they will sell you the whole car so you can haul it home. And the
manuals.

You of course can find various manual trans that can be made to fit,
and if you can find the parts manual see all the changes needed. You
will need the clutch pedal, the mount, if it's hydraulic the master
cylinder, there will be a slave cylinder or now they have the internal
concentric cylinder, etc.

A very educational project although time consuming.

The problem is all the GOOD 5 and 6 speed manuals are high dollar. If
you are highway driving today you want a 5 or 6 speed manual or a 4
speed automatic. Four speed manuals are mostly cheap because no one
wants them, and rightly not. If it's off road only you may not care.
Clark school bus transmissions can be had reasonable too, same reason,
no wannum-they are HEAVY.

I can't believe anyone but a restorer or a Rolls Royce owner would F
with a THM anymore. The 700R4 has four gears and with the good guy
parts is damn near bulletproof.

Re: Transmission Swap
 

Well..... this recollection was from more than 3 decades ago but I seem to
recall we found that in addition to all the expected parts there were a
number of parts that we did not expect that were different in the auto and
manual transmission equipped. We got it done eventually but as I said it
was a lot of trouble for not a lot of payback.

We later converted that sedan to a convertible and the following year cut it
in half and made a trailer out of the back seat/trunk in cooperation with
the boys over in the metal shop class. (same instructor). The 270 cid
engine went onto an engine stand we built.

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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Billy Ray wrote:
>> When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
>> think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
>> readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
>> amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.
>>
>
> If you find a manual trans car at the junkyard get EVERYTHING or see
> if they will sell you the whole car so you can haul it home. And the
> manuals.
>
> You of course can find various manual trans that can be made to fit,
> and if you can find the parts manual see all the changes needed. You
> will need the clutch pedal, the mount, if it's hydraulic the master
> cylinder, there will be a slave cylinder or now they have the internal
> concentric cylinder, etc.
>
> A very educational project although time consuming.
>
> The problem is all the GOOD 5 and 6 speed manuals are high dollar. If
> you are highway driving today you want a 5 or 6 speed manual or a 4
> speed automatic. Four speed manuals are mostly cheap because no one
> wants them, and rightly not. If it's off road only you may not care.
> Clark school bus transmissions can be had reasonable too, same reason,
> no wannum-they are HEAVY.
>
> I can't believe anyone but a restorer or a Rolls Royce owner would F
> with a THM anymore. The 700R4 has four gears and with the good guy
> parts is damn near bulletproof.
>

Re: Transmission Swap
 

Well..... this recollection was from more than 3 decades ago but I seem to
recall we found that in addition to all the expected parts there were a
number of parts that we did not expect that were different in the auto and
manual transmission equipped. We got it done eventually but as I said it
was a lot of trouble for not a lot of payback.

We later converted that sedan to a convertible and the following year cut it
in half and made a trailer out of the back seat/trunk in cooperation with
the boys over in the metal shop class. (same instructor). The 270 cid
engine went onto an engine stand we built.

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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
>> think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
>> readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
>> amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.
>>
>
> If you find a manual trans car at the junkyard get EVERYTHING or see
> if they will sell you the whole car so you can haul it home. And the
> manuals.
>
> You of course can find various manual trans that can be made to fit,
> and if you can find the parts manual see all the changes needed. You
> will need the clutch pedal, the mount, if it's hydraulic the master
> cylinder, there will be a slave cylinder or now they have the internal
> concentric cylinder, etc.
>
> A very educational project although time consuming.
>
> The problem is all the GOOD 5 and 6 speed manuals are high dollar. If
> you are highway driving today you want a 5 or 6 speed manual or a 4
> speed automatic. Four speed manuals are mostly cheap because no one
> wants them, and rightly not. If it's off road only you may not care.
> Clark school bus transmissions can be had reasonable too, same reason,
> no wannum-they are HEAVY.
>
> I can't believe anyone but a restorer or a Rolls Royce owner would F
> with a THM anymore. The 700R4 has four gears and with the good guy
> parts is damn near bulletproof.
>

Re: Transmission Swap
 

Well..... this recollection was from more than 3 decades ago but I seem to
recall we found that in addition to all the expected parts there were a
number of parts that we did not expect that were different in the auto and
manual transmission equipped. We got it done eventually but as I said it
was a lot of trouble for not a lot of payback.

We later converted that sedan to a convertible and the following year cut it
in half and made a trailer out of the back seat/trunk in cooperation with
the boys over in the metal shop class. (same instructor). The 270 cid
engine went onto an engine stand we built.

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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> When I took auto shop in high school we converted an push button '64 (I
>> think) Lancer to a 3 speed manual. Although all the parts needed were
>> readily available from the junkyard I seem to recall it was an immense
>> amount of trouble. It would have been much easier to swap the other way.
>>
>
> If you find a manual trans car at the junkyard get EVERYTHING or see
> if they will sell you the whole car so you can haul it home. And the
> manuals.
>
> You of course can find various manual trans that can be made to fit,
> and if you can find the parts manual see all the changes needed. You
> will need the clutch pedal, the mount, if it's hydraulic the master
> cylinder, there will be a slave cylinder or now they have the internal
> concentric cylinder, etc.
>
> A very educational project although time consuming.
>
> The problem is all the GOOD 5 and 6 speed manuals are high dollar. If
> you are highway driving today you want a 5 or 6 speed manual or a 4
> speed automatic. Four speed manuals are mostly cheap because no one
> wants them, and rightly not. If it's off road only you may not care.
> Clark school bus transmissions can be had reasonable too, same reason,
> no wannum-they are HEAVY.
>
> I can't believe anyone but a restorer or a Rolls Royce owner would F
> with a THM anymore. The 700R4 has four gears and with the good guy
> parts is damn near bulletproof.
>