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Traction
I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front
swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is appreciated. |
Re: Traction
Adding a locker to the POS cheap ass rear axle you have can over stress it
to the point of destruction, even with a four banger. If you like to fishtail a lot on icy roads, then a limited slip on the back only might not be a bad idea. If you like to go sideways, put one on the front too. If you seriously want to increase the off road ability of your Jeep, then an axle upgrade sounds like a good idea. Earle "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1158098511.484313.155500@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. > |
Re: Traction
Adding a locker to the POS cheap ass rear axle you have can over stress it
to the point of destruction, even with a four banger. If you like to fishtail a lot on icy roads, then a limited slip on the back only might not be a bad idea. If you like to go sideways, put one on the front too. If you seriously want to increase the off road ability of your Jeep, then an axle upgrade sounds like a good idea. Earle "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1158098511.484313.155500@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. > |
Re: Traction
Adding a locker to the POS cheap ass rear axle you have can over stress it
to the point of destruction, even with a four banger. If you like to fishtail a lot on icy roads, then a limited slip on the back only might not be a bad idea. If you like to go sideways, put one on the front too. If you seriously want to increase the off road ability of your Jeep, then an axle upgrade sounds like a good idea. Earle "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1158098511.484313.155500@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. > |
Re: Traction
I really prefer my open diffs for the snow. I have a CJ7 as my daily
driver up here in Canada. With my 33x9.5" muds in snow, a TJ locked front and rear can more or less keep up if they don't slide sideways off the trail.... If I went for a locker I would go electric or cable only. As it is, I use 2 wheel drive at lots of intersections because 4x4 can end up plowing the front wheels straight when turning left at intersections. With a locker, that kind of slushy turn would be impossible. I have been 'stuck' on slushy ice with one front wheel and one back wheel spinning away and the boys going for the straps and I have hit the brake pedal hard while goosing the gas to get all 4 wheels tossing rooster tails and away I go. This method loads up the spinning wheel until the torque equals the break away torque needed for the tire not spinning and gets the diff to lock up both axles. The owners manual says you can use the emergency brake to do this, but I have better luck with the brake pedal. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Scotty wrote: > > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
I really prefer my open diffs for the snow. I have a CJ7 as my daily
driver up here in Canada. With my 33x9.5" muds in snow, a TJ locked front and rear can more or less keep up if they don't slide sideways off the trail.... If I went for a locker I would go electric or cable only. As it is, I use 2 wheel drive at lots of intersections because 4x4 can end up plowing the front wheels straight when turning left at intersections. With a locker, that kind of slushy turn would be impossible. I have been 'stuck' on slushy ice with one front wheel and one back wheel spinning away and the boys going for the straps and I have hit the brake pedal hard while goosing the gas to get all 4 wheels tossing rooster tails and away I go. This method loads up the spinning wheel until the torque equals the break away torque needed for the tire not spinning and gets the diff to lock up both axles. The owners manual says you can use the emergency brake to do this, but I have better luck with the brake pedal. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Scotty wrote: > > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
I really prefer my open diffs for the snow. I have a CJ7 as my daily
driver up here in Canada. With my 33x9.5" muds in snow, a TJ locked front and rear can more or less keep up if they don't slide sideways off the trail.... If I went for a locker I would go electric or cable only. As it is, I use 2 wheel drive at lots of intersections because 4x4 can end up plowing the front wheels straight when turning left at intersections. With a locker, that kind of slushy turn would be impossible. I have been 'stuck' on slushy ice with one front wheel and one back wheel spinning away and the boys going for the straps and I have hit the brake pedal hard while goosing the gas to get all 4 wheels tossing rooster tails and away I go. This method loads up the spinning wheel until the torque equals the break away torque needed for the tire not spinning and gets the diff to lock up both axles. The owners manual says you can use the emergency brake to do this, but I have better luck with the brake pedal. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Scotty wrote: > > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > > [..snipped..] > > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > > [..snipped..] I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot with experience. I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, and then limited-slip differential(s). -- |
Re: Traction
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > > [..snipped..] > > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > > [..snipped..] I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot with experience. I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, and then limited-slip differential(s). -- |
Re: Traction
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes:
> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > > [..snipped..] > > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > > [..snipped..] I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot with experience. I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, and then limited-slip differential(s). -- |
Re: Traction
A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I wheeled my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine and rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been locked. To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under power, unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the cheap one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can upgrade to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 from breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a ticking time bomb. Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have the D35. HTH, Carl "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for >> >> [..snipped..] >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I >> >> [..snipped..] > > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > with experience. > > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > and then limited-slip differential(s). > -- |
Re: Traction
A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I wheeled my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine and rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been locked. To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under power, unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the cheap one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can upgrade to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 from breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a ticking time bomb. Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have the D35. HTH, Carl "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for >> >> [..snipped..] >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I >> >> [..snipped..] > > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > with experience. > > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > and then limited-slip differential(s). > -- |
Re: Traction
A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it
needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I wheeled my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine and rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been locked. To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under power, unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the cheap one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can upgrade to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 from breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a ticking time bomb. Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have the D35. HTH, Carl "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for >> >> [..snipped..] >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I >> >> [..snipped..] > > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > with experience. > > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > and then limited-slip differential(s). > -- |
Re: Traction
It does have the D35.
Carl wrote: > A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it > needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I wheeled > my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine and > rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been > locked. > > To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under power, > unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the cheap > one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can upgrade > to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 from > breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a > ticking time bomb. > > Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have the > D35. > > HTH, > > Carl > > > "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message > news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > > > >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > >> > >> [..snipped..] > >> > >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > >> > >> [..snipped..] > > > > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > > with experience. > > > > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > > > > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > > and then limited-slip differential(s). > > -- |
Re: Traction
It does have the D35.
Carl wrote: > A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it > needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I wheeled > my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine and > rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been > locked. > > To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under power, > unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the cheap > one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can upgrade > to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 from > breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a > ticking time bomb. > > Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have the > D35. > > HTH, > > Carl > > > "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message > news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > > > >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > >> > >> [..snipped..] > >> > >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > >> > >> [..snipped..] > > > > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > > with experience. > > > > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > > > > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > > and then limited-slip differential(s). > > -- |
Re: Traction
It does have the D35.
Carl wrote: > A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it > needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I wheeled > my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine and > rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been > locked. > > To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under power, > unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the cheap > one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can upgrade > to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 from > breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a > ticking time bomb. > > Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have the > D35. > > HTH, > > Carl > > > "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message > news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > > > >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > >> > >> [..snipped..] > >> > >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > >> > >> [..snipped..] > > > > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > > with experience. > > > > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > > > > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > > and then limited-slip differential(s). > > -- |
Re: Traction
I learned the brake thing "back in the day" when the Olds Toronado was
revolutionary with front wheel drive and everything else had rear wheel drive and still use it today. Thanks for the input. Mike Romain wrote: > I really prefer my open diffs for the snow. I have a CJ7 as my daily > driver up here in Canada. With my 33x9.5" muds in snow, a TJ locked > front and rear can more or less keep up if they don't slide sideways off > the trail.... > > If I went for a locker I would go electric or cable only. As it is, I > use 2 wheel drive at lots of intersections because 4x4 can end up > plowing the front wheels straight when turning left at intersections. > With a locker, that kind of slushy turn would be impossible. > > I have been 'stuck' on slushy ice with one front wheel and one back > wheel spinning away and the boys going for the straps and I have hit the > brake pedal hard while goosing the gas to get all 4 wheels tossing > rooster tails and away I go. > > This method loads up the spinning wheel until the torque equals the > break away torque needed for the tire not spinning and gets the diff to > lock up both axles. The owners manual says you can use the emergency > brake to do this, but I have better luck with the brake pedal. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Scotty wrote: > > > > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
I learned the brake thing "back in the day" when the Olds Toronado was
revolutionary with front wheel drive and everything else had rear wheel drive and still use it today. Thanks for the input. Mike Romain wrote: > I really prefer my open diffs for the snow. I have a CJ7 as my daily > driver up here in Canada. With my 33x9.5" muds in snow, a TJ locked > front and rear can more or less keep up if they don't slide sideways off > the trail.... > > If I went for a locker I would go electric or cable only. As it is, I > use 2 wheel drive at lots of intersections because 4x4 can end up > plowing the front wheels straight when turning left at intersections. > With a locker, that kind of slushy turn would be impossible. > > I have been 'stuck' on slushy ice with one front wheel and one back > wheel spinning away and the boys going for the straps and I have hit the > brake pedal hard while goosing the gas to get all 4 wheels tossing > rooster tails and away I go. > > This method loads up the spinning wheel until the torque equals the > break away torque needed for the tire not spinning and gets the diff to > lock up both axles. The owners manual says you can use the emergency > brake to do this, but I have better luck with the brake pedal. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Scotty wrote: > > > > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
I learned the brake thing "back in the day" when the Olds Toronado was
revolutionary with front wheel drive and everything else had rear wheel drive and still use it today. Thanks for the input. Mike Romain wrote: > I really prefer my open diffs for the snow. I have a CJ7 as my daily > driver up here in Canada. With my 33x9.5" muds in snow, a TJ locked > front and rear can more or less keep up if they don't slide sideways off > the trail.... > > If I went for a locker I would go electric or cable only. As it is, I > use 2 wheel drive at lots of intersections because 4x4 can end up > plowing the front wheels straight when turning left at intersections. > With a locker, that kind of slushy turn would be impossible. > > I have been 'stuck' on slushy ice with one front wheel and one back > wheel spinning away and the boys going for the straps and I have hit the > brake pedal hard while goosing the gas to get all 4 wheels tossing > rooster tails and away I go. > > This method loads up the spinning wheel until the torque equals the > break away torque needed for the tire not spinning and gets the diff to > lock up both axles. The owners manual says you can use the emergency > brake to do this, but I have better luck with the brake pedal. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Scotty wrote: > > > > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
Be sure and take a camera with you so you may add a broken picture
to: http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Scotty wrote: > > It does have the D35. |
Re: Traction
Be sure and take a camera with you so you may add a broken picture
to: http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Scotty wrote: > > It does have the D35. |
Re: Traction
Be sure and take a camera with you so you may add a broken picture
to: http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Scotty wrote: > > It does have the D35. |
Re: Traction
He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks. If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles and were excited when they did. "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > It does have the D35. > > Carl wrote: >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I >> wheeled >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine >> and >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been >> locked. >> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under >> power, >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the >> cheap >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can >> upgrade >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 >> from >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a >> ticking time bomb. >> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have >> the >> D35. >> >> HTH, >> >> Carl >> >> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: >> > >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for >> >> >> >> [..snipped..] >> >> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I >> >> >> >> [..snipped..] >> > >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot >> > with experience. >> > >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. >> > >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, >> > and then limited-slip differential(s). >> > -- > |
Re: Traction
He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks. If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles and were excited when they did. "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > It does have the D35. > > Carl wrote: >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I >> wheeled >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine >> and >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been >> locked. >> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under >> power, >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the >> cheap >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can >> upgrade >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 >> from >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a >> ticking time bomb. >> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have >> the >> D35. >> >> HTH, >> >> Carl >> >> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: >> > >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for >> >> >> >> [..snipped..] >> >> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I >> >> >> >> [..snipped..] >> > >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot >> > with experience. >> > >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. >> > >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, >> > and then limited-slip differential(s). >> > -- > |
Re: Traction
He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as
long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks. If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles and were excited when they did. "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > It does have the D35. > > Carl wrote: >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I >> wheeled >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine >> and >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been >> locked. >> >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under >> power, >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the >> cheap >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can >> upgrade >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 >> from >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a >> ticking time bomb. >> >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have >> the >> D35. >> >> HTH, >> >> Carl >> >> >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: >> > >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for >> >> >> >> [..snipped..] >> >> >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I >> >> >> >> [..snipped..] >> > >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot >> > with experience. >> > >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. >> > >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, >> > and then limited-slip differential(s). >> > -- > |
Re: Traction
A Lock Rite is a light weight locker but it is still a locker. A Trak-Lok
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET... > He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as > long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks. > > If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the > conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles > and were excited when they did. > > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message > news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > It does have the D35. > > > > Carl wrote: > >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it > >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I > >> wheeled > >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine > >> and > >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been > >> locked. > >> > >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under > >> power, > >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the > >> cheap > >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can > >> upgrade > >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 > >> from > >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a > >> ticking time bomb. > >> > >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have > >> the > >> D35. > >> > >> HTH, > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> > >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message > >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > >> > > >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > >> >> > >> >> [..snipped..] > >> >> > >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > >> >> > >> >> [..snipped..] > >> > > >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > >> > with experience. > >> > > >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > >> > > >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > >> > and then limited-slip differential(s). > >> > -- > > > > |
Re: Traction
A Lock Rite is a light weight locker but it is still a locker. A Trak-Lok
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET... > He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as > long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks. > > If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the > conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles > and were excited when they did. > > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message > news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > It does have the D35. > > > > Carl wrote: > >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it > >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I > >> wheeled > >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine > >> and > >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been > >> locked. > >> > >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under > >> power, > >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the > >> cheap > >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can > >> upgrade > >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 > >> from > >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a > >> ticking time bomb. > >> > >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have > >> the > >> D35. > >> > >> HTH, > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> > >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message > >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > >> > > >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > >> >> > >> >> [..snipped..] > >> >> > >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > >> >> > >> >> [..snipped..] > >> > > >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > >> > with experience. > >> > > >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > >> > > >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > >> > and then limited-slip differential(s). > >> > -- > > > > |
Re: Traction
A Lock Rite is a light weight locker but it is still a locker. A Trak-Lok
is what I recommend for the D-35, but you are still going to go sideways. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:c33a0$45077a0b$422afc51$16782@FUSE.NET... > He might do okay with the lockright or the no-slip (both by Richmond) as > long as he stays with 31s and keeps out of the rocks. > > If you watch all Bill's videos and look at all the pix you will come to the > conclusion that most of the guys pictured were trying to break their axles > and were excited when they did. > > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote in message > news:1158114360.880540.285260@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com... > > It does have the D35. > > > > Carl wrote: > >> A limited slip is garbage off road. It doesn't have the holding power it > >> needs to really get the traction you need in extreme 4-wheeling. I > >> wheeled > >> my 89 YJ open front and rear on 33's but I had to really rev the engine > >> and > >> rock over a lot of obstacles that I could have crawled up if I had been > >> locked. > >> > >> To the OP- Look into a Lockright locker in the rear. It locks under > >> power, > >> unlocks when you release the gas pedal. Its cheap, $250. Why get the > >> cheap > >> one? When your D35 breaks, you won't be out too much $$ so you can > >> upgrade > >> to a D44/ Ford 8.8. No, there is nothing you can do to keeep your D35 > >> from > >> breaking. Taking it easy will extend it's life, but a locked D35 is a > >> ticking time bomb. > >> > >> Lastly, unless it was special order or all ready swapped out, you have > >> the > >> D35. > >> > >> HTH, > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> > >> "Daniel Bibbens" <dbibbens@xobjex.com> wrote in message > >> news:86vensisec.fsf@cheyenne.xobjex.com... > >> > "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> writes: > >> > > >> >> I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > >> >> swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > >> >> > >> >> [..snipped..] > >> >> > >> >> These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small > >> >> town so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What > >> >> are the advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with > >> >> the limited slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I > >> >> > >> >> [..snipped..] > >> > > >> > I have a setup similar to yours except that I have a Dana 44 with > >> > limited-slip differential on the rear axle. My TJ is a 2004. I go > >> > off-roading nearly every weekend in Southern California (where I > >> > live). Here is the sum of my experience: Excellent tires and excellent > >> > articulation will get you very far. Practice will take you farther > >> > still, and a good line through/over an obstacle gets easier to spot > >> > with experience. > >> > > >> > I regularly ride "Black Diamond" (3 on a scale from 1 to 3 -- 3 being > >> > toughest) trails here. I've not gotten stuck but have had to make a > >> > second try on a couple of occasions. The limited-slip diff is nice to > >> > have and it is my opinion, based on my experience and from observing > >> > others, that a full lockers will offer an advantage ONLY at the margin > >> > and in rare circumstances vs. limited-slip. > >> > > >> > I prefer narrow tires and the lowest center of gravity possible (the > >> > math seems natural to me). The only change I am considering is the > >> > addition of an OX locker (engaged manually with a cable, not air or > >> > electicity) to the front axle (which is open now), though I doubt I'll > >> > ever use it. I'd invest in this order: tires (I have Mickey Thompson > >> > Baja Claw radials and LOVE them), articulation, hi-lift jack, winch, > >> > and then limited-slip differential(s). > >> > -- > > > > |
Re: Traction
Just personal opinion, but after one snow storm (28 inches <g>) I
yanked the positraction (limited slip, clutch type) off the front end of the Scout I had just bought. As others point out, locking both ends is good if you want to get far enough in to REALLY break something but the front locker WILL cause you problems, especially in the snow. Turning becomes a challenge as it wants to just plow straight ahead and your first trip down a snow covered, high crowned road will introduce you the the reason they call them "low side finders". The part that got my attention was slowing down - even with a 4-banger it gets interesting, to say the least. If you let off the gas too much or too fast, you are going to get at least one wheel slipping (plowing) at which point you then get 4 wheels sliding and become a 4-pt hockey puck. It is counter-intuitive, but the only recovery is to give it gas until the wheels start to roll - which is hard to make yourself do. Given the time you spend on the road vs off-road and the length of your snow season you are probably better off with an open front end and at most a limted slip (tracloc or such) in the rear. My preference would be a manual locker in the rear so that I had full control of when it locks but the rear axles in the D35 won't take it for long. I've snapped axles even with the tracloc when working the gas too hard and getting a sudden grab on just one side. Even with just a limited slip in the rear and the 4-banger you will have to pay close attention when accelerating or taking a slick hill. If not, you'll find that it will quickly decide to go back down as it does a rapid 180. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:01:51 UTC "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote: > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. > -- Will Honea |
Re: Traction
Just personal opinion, but after one snow storm (28 inches <g>) I
yanked the positraction (limited slip, clutch type) off the front end of the Scout I had just bought. As others point out, locking both ends is good if you want to get far enough in to REALLY break something but the front locker WILL cause you problems, especially in the snow. Turning becomes a challenge as it wants to just plow straight ahead and your first trip down a snow covered, high crowned road will introduce you the the reason they call them "low side finders". The part that got my attention was slowing down - even with a 4-banger it gets interesting, to say the least. If you let off the gas too much or too fast, you are going to get at least one wheel slipping (plowing) at which point you then get 4 wheels sliding and become a 4-pt hockey puck. It is counter-intuitive, but the only recovery is to give it gas until the wheels start to roll - which is hard to make yourself do. Given the time you spend on the road vs off-road and the length of your snow season you are probably better off with an open front end and at most a limted slip (tracloc or such) in the rear. My preference would be a manual locker in the rear so that I had full control of when it locks but the rear axles in the D35 won't take it for long. I've snapped axles even with the tracloc when working the gas too hard and getting a sudden grab on just one side. Even with just a limited slip in the rear and the 4-banger you will have to pay close attention when accelerating or taking a slick hill. If not, you'll find that it will quickly decide to go back down as it does a rapid 180. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:01:51 UTC "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote: > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. > -- Will Honea |
Re: Traction
Just personal opinion, but after one snow storm (28 inches <g>) I
yanked the positraction (limited slip, clutch type) off the front end of the Scout I had just bought. As others point out, locking both ends is good if you want to get far enough in to REALLY break something but the front locker WILL cause you problems, especially in the snow. Turning becomes a challenge as it wants to just plow straight ahead and your first trip down a snow covered, high crowned road will introduce you the the reason they call them "low side finders". The part that got my attention was slowing down - even with a 4-banger it gets interesting, to say the least. If you let off the gas too much or too fast, you are going to get at least one wheel slipping (plowing) at which point you then get 4 wheels sliding and become a 4-pt hockey puck. It is counter-intuitive, but the only recovery is to give it gas until the wheels start to roll - which is hard to make yourself do. Given the time you spend on the road vs off-road and the length of your snow season you are probably better off with an open front end and at most a limted slip (tracloc or such) in the rear. My preference would be a manual locker in the rear so that I had full control of when it locks but the rear axles in the D35 won't take it for long. I've snapped axles even with the tracloc when working the gas too hard and getting a sudden grab on just one side. Even with just a limited slip in the rear and the 4-banger you will have to pay close attention when accelerating or taking a slick hill. If not, you'll find that it will quickly decide to go back down as it does a rapid 180. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:01:51 UTC "Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote: > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. > -- Will Honea |
Re: Traction
My TJ is a four banger manual as well. Don't waste your money on a
locker for a D35. Lockers are lousy on ice and snow. A locker in a D35 will get you broken axles if you are into serious rock crawling. A manual locker in the rear would be OK if you are just slopping around in the mud. You're better off with a good winch and a couple of straps if you are going to stay with the D35. Tire choice matters, too. My 31's are like large skates when the roads get icy. J. Scotty wrote: > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
My TJ is a four banger manual as well. Don't waste your money on a
locker for a D35. Lockers are lousy on ice and snow. A locker in a D35 will get you broken axles if you are into serious rock crawling. A manual locker in the rear would be OK if you are just slopping around in the mud. You're better off with a good winch and a couple of straps if you are going to stay with the D35. Tire choice matters, too. My 31's are like large skates when the roads get icy. J. Scotty wrote: > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
My TJ is a four banger manual as well. Don't waste your money on a
locker for a D35. Lockers are lousy on ice and snow. A locker in a D35 will get you broken axles if you are into serious rock crawling. A manual locker in the rear would be OK if you are just slopping around in the mud. You're better off with a good winch and a couple of straps if you are going to stay with the D35. Tire choice matters, too. My 31's are like large skates when the roads get icy. J. Scotty wrote: > I drive a 1997 TJ, 4 banger, 5 speed, 2 1/2" lift, 31" tires, front > swaybar disconnects, otherwise stock. I drive two-track roads for > hunting, camping and fishing in all kinds of weather. I have also done > Moab Jeep Safari three times and have been able to negotiate 3 1/2 > rated trails without getting hung-up. I try to drive with a light > foot. Where I live winter with icey roads can happen anytime between > Sep 1 and May 31. I have recently been considering some sort of locker > or limited slip. As I see it, I can do a rear ARB with all the bells > and whistles or a front and rear limited slip for about the same price. > These things are new to me, and I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. What are the > advantages/disadvantages of each? Will I be satisfied with the limited > slip as I try new and maybe tougher trails? A person I talked with at > a Six States Distributors recomended an electric locker. From what I > have read about these is that they function as a limited slip until > activated, but they seem cheaper than an ARB. Any help and advice is > appreciated. |
Re: Traction
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote: > I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. Awww, that's so sad...no one to wave to...:^( Seahag |
Re: Traction
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote: > I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. Awww, that's so sad...no one to wave to...:^( Seahag |
Re: Traction
"Scotty" <ssargent@onewest.net> wrote: > I am the only Jeeper in my small town > so I have no one to turn to for real life experiences. Awww, that's so sad...no one to wave to...:^( Seahag |
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