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Nick Hughes 08-05-2007 06:09 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...

I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
Eventually, I just worked.

I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
grounding issue or short was causing the failure.

Nick

On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it did
> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run for
> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to a
> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Pete




SNSPRT 08-05-2007 07:07 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
engine still won't start.

"Nick ------" <nixon8890@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
> Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...
>
> I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> Eventually, I just worked.
>
> I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> grounding issue or short was causing the failure.
>
> Nick
>
> On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
>> did
>> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
>> for
>> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
>> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
>> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
>> a
>> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
>> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Pete

>
>




SNSPRT 08-05-2007 07:07 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
engine still won't start.

"Nick ------" <nixon8890@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
> Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...
>
> I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> Eventually, I just worked.
>
> I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> grounding issue or short was causing the failure.
>
> Nick
>
> On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
>> did
>> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
>> for
>> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
>> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
>> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
>> a
>> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
>> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Pete

>
>




SNSPRT 08-05-2007 07:07 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
engine still won't start.

"Nick ------" <nixon8890@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
> Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...
>
> I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> Eventually, I just worked.
>
> I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> grounding issue or short was causing the failure.
>
> Nick
>
> On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
>> did
>> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
>> for
>> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
>> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
>> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
>> a
>> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
>> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Pete

>
>




SNSPRT 08-05-2007 07:07 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
engine still won't start.

"Nick ------" <nixon8890@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
> Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...
>
> I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> Eventually, I just worked.
>
> I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> grounding issue or short was causing the failure.
>
> Nick
>
> On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
>> did
>> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
>> for
>> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
>> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
>> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
>> a
>> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
>> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Pete

>
>




Nick Hughes 08-06-2007 02:18 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Your description is almost exactly what I experienced. From what I
recall, the fuel pump (part of tank) melted. They replaced that and
the PCM. They also indicated they had a diagnostics tech looking for
shorts.

Are there any TSBs on this? I recall hearing other people experienced
this problem a few years ago.

Also note, I think many of these problem occured after putting down my
front windshield. After that, I experienced a leak between the front
windshield and lower gasket. This may have caused some shorting and
been a contributing factor into the problem.

Nick

On Aug 5, 7:07 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
> thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
> test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
> morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
> some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
> made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
> engine still won't start.
>
> "Nick ------" <nixon8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> > hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...

>
> > I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> > there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> > The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> > everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> > would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> > think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> > Eventually, I just worked.

>
> > I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> > grounding issue or short was causing the failure.

>
> > Nick

>
> > On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
> >> did
> >> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
> >> for
> >> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
> >> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
> >> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
> >> a
> >> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
> >> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.

>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions?

>
> >> Thanks in advance

>
> >> Pete




Nick Hughes 08-06-2007 02:18 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Your description is almost exactly what I experienced. From what I
recall, the fuel pump (part of tank) melted. They replaced that and
the PCM. They also indicated they had a diagnostics tech looking for
shorts.

Are there any TSBs on this? I recall hearing other people experienced
this problem a few years ago.

Also note, I think many of these problem occured after putting down my
front windshield. After that, I experienced a leak between the front
windshield and lower gasket. This may have caused some shorting and
been a contributing factor into the problem.

Nick

On Aug 5, 7:07 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
> thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
> test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
> morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
> some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
> made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
> engine still won't start.
>
> "Nick ------" <nixon8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> > hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...

>
> > I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> > there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> > The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> > everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> > would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> > think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> > Eventually, I just worked.

>
> > I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> > grounding issue or short was causing the failure.

>
> > Nick

>
> > On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
> >> did
> >> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
> >> for
> >> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
> >> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
> >> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
> >> a
> >> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
> >> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.

>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions?

>
> >> Thanks in advance

>
> >> Pete




Nick Hughes 08-06-2007 02:18 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Your description is almost exactly what I experienced. From what I
recall, the fuel pump (part of tank) melted. They replaced that and
the PCM. They also indicated they had a diagnostics tech looking for
shorts.

Are there any TSBs on this? I recall hearing other people experienced
this problem a few years ago.

Also note, I think many of these problem occured after putting down my
front windshield. After that, I experienced a leak between the front
windshield and lower gasket. This may have caused some shorting and
been a contributing factor into the problem.

Nick

On Aug 5, 7:07 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
> thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
> test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
> morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
> some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
> made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
> engine still won't start.
>
> "Nick ------" <nixon8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> > hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...

>
> > I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> > there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> > The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> > everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> > would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> > think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> > Eventually, I just worked.

>
> > I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> > grounding issue or short was causing the failure.

>
> > Nick

>
> > On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
> >> did
> >> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
> >> for
> >> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
> >> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
> >> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
> >> a
> >> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
> >> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.

>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions?

>
> >> Thanks in advance

>
> >> Pete




Nick Hughes 08-06-2007 02:18 PM

Re: TJ won't start /run
 
Your description is almost exactly what I experienced. From what I
recall, the fuel pump (part of tank) melted. They replaced that and
the PCM. They also indicated they had a diagnostics tech looking for
shorts.

Are there any TSBs on this? I recall hearing other people experienced
this problem a few years ago.

Also note, I think many of these problem occured after putting down my
front windshield. After that, I experienced a leak between the front
windshield and lower gasket. This may have caused some shorting and
been a contributing factor into the problem.

Nick

On Aug 5, 7:07 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Turn the key, engine turns but doesn't start.the engine would start first
> thing in the morning and run for 5-15 minute. the garage hooked up three
> test lights to the ignition coil control wires before starting it one
> morning. the lights came on when the engine started. the after while the
> some of the lights would start to flicker or just go out. That is how they
> made the call that the PCM was the problem. But after replacing that the
> engine still won't start.
>
> "Nick ------" <nixon8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186351769.869671.47270@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > Can you describe more about it not starting? Do you turn the key,
> > hear it crank, but the engine doesn't turn? etc...

>
> > I had a problem with my 2000 TJ where that would happen. It was like
> > there was a fuel pump problem. It was under warranty at the time.
> > The dealer had NO IDEA what was wrong. They just started replacing
> > everything. Fuel tank (fuel pump is part of tank), PCM, etc.. They
> > would fix it, it wouldn't start again and I would bring it back. I
> > think this went of for about 2 - 3 weeks where I didn't have the car.
> > Eventually, I just worked.

>
> > I suspect replacing the PCM solved the issue. Overall, I think a
> > grounding issue or short was causing the failure.

>
> > Nick

>
> > On Aug 4, 8:09 pm, "SNSPRT" <pete.brid...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I have a 2000 TJ. It currently won't start most of the time and when it
> >> did
> >> start it was only after sitting over night and then would start and run
> >> for
> >> about 5-15 minutes depending on the temperature outside. I replaced the
> >> following with on luck... the crankshaft position sensor, the camshaft
> >> position sensor, the coil pack. when none of these work I had it towed to
> >> a
> >> garage who after trying some other test, replaced the PCM. But still does
> >> want to start/run. The jeep is set up with CA emissions.

>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions?

>
> >> Thanks in advance

>
> >> Pete





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