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TJ: Winch Question
I purchased a winch plate from the local Jeep dealer to mount my old
Warn HS9500 to my '03 TJ... Sorta have two question woundering if anyone here can offer some advice too.. The four bolts that originally hold just the tow hooks -- is adding that extra 1/4" between the bumper and tow hooks still allow for the 4 OEM torq bolts to work..ie does that extra 1/4 require me to locate some longer bolts...and if so is it even possible to find similar torx head bolts of an adiqute grade? Then the two bolts that hold the sleeve the rubber spacer on the front stabalizer bar to the frame --- there is a 1/4" space between the sleeve and the winch plate, would shimming that with washers and replacing the OEM bolt with one of adiqute length and grade work okay? It would be nice to have some answers before tuesday (next day the dealer is open).. kinda want to get this thing on and the bolts tack welded and get some use out of it...would be shame to waste this weekend.. ;-) |
Re: Winch Question
First, caution on the two bolts per bracket that hold the swaybar down.
They are not rated bolts, they are like self-tapping bolts and over-tightening them will easily strip out the female threads. Yes, you can use washers to level out that area, that's what I did six years ago and it's fine. And yes too, you'll need longer bolts for the winch bracket. Replace them with Grade 5 or Grade 8 hex head bolts. You'll likely have to go to a specialty store that specializes in nuts and bolts since few Home Depot type stores carry a large enough selection of rated (Grade 5 or 8) bolts. Just take one of the torx-head bolts into the store with you to get the right thread. Jerry -- -- Jerry Bransford To email, remove 'me' from my email address KC6TAY, PP-ASEL See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ "Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message news:tea0lvod8eig1i0eerdrk8rtm0u19d18m6@4ax.com... > I purchased a winch plate from the local Jeep dealer to mount my old > Warn HS9500 to my '03 TJ... Sorta have two question woundering if > anyone here can offer some advice too.. > > The four bolts that originally hold just the tow hooks -- is adding > that extra 1/4" between the bumper and tow hooks still allow for > the 4 OEM torq bolts to work..ie does that extra 1/4 require me to > locate some longer bolts...and if so is it even possible to find > similar torx head bolts of an adiqute grade? > > Then the two bolts that hold the sleeve the rubber spacer on the front > stabalizer bar to the frame --- there is a 1/4" space between the > sleeve and the winch plate, would shimming that with washers and > replacing the OEM bolt with one of adiqute length and grade work okay? > > It would be nice to have some answers before tuesday (next day the > dealer is open).. kinda want to get this thing on and the bolts tack > welded and get some use out of it...would be shame to waste this > weekend.. ;-) |
Re: Winch Question
First, caution on the two bolts per bracket that hold the swaybar down.
They are not rated bolts, they are like self-tapping bolts and over-tightening them will easily strip out the female threads. Yes, you can use washers to level out that area, that's what I did six years ago and it's fine. And yes too, you'll need longer bolts for the winch bracket. Replace them with Grade 5 or Grade 8 hex head bolts. You'll likely have to go to a specialty store that specializes in nuts and bolts since few Home Depot type stores carry a large enough selection of rated (Grade 5 or 8) bolts. Just take one of the torx-head bolts into the store with you to get the right thread. Jerry -- -- Jerry Bransford To email, remove 'me' from my email address KC6TAY, PP-ASEL See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ "Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message news:tea0lvod8eig1i0eerdrk8rtm0u19d18m6@4ax.com... > I purchased a winch plate from the local Jeep dealer to mount my old > Warn HS9500 to my '03 TJ... Sorta have two question woundering if > anyone here can offer some advice too.. > > The four bolts that originally hold just the tow hooks -- is adding > that extra 1/4" between the bumper and tow hooks still allow for > the 4 OEM torq bolts to work..ie does that extra 1/4 require me to > locate some longer bolts...and if so is it even possible to find > similar torx head bolts of an adiqute grade? > > Then the two bolts that hold the sleeve the rubber spacer on the front > stabalizer bar to the frame --- there is a 1/4" space between the > sleeve and the winch plate, would shimming that with washers and > replacing the OEM bolt with one of adiqute length and grade work okay? > > It would be nice to have some answers before tuesday (next day the > dealer is open).. kinda want to get this thing on and the bolts tack > welded and get some use out of it...would be shame to waste this > weekend.. ;-) |
Re: Winch Question
The threads for the mounting plate are metric and it may be difficult to
find them at the local hardware outfit. I ended up going to an industrial bulk supplier, Wurth Fastener, and talked them into selling me just 4. The wacky thing about Warns mounting kits, they give you locks for the winch and the center plate to frame tabs, but not for the frame to tab bolts. So, unless you weld them someone can just unbolt the whole thing, mounting plate and all & walk away with it. "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message news:A3W3b.27968$Qy4.12030@fed1read05... > First, caution on the two bolts per bracket that hold the swaybar down. > They are not rated bolts, they are like self-tapping bolts and > over-tightening them will easily strip out the female threads. Yes, you can > use washers to level out that area, that's what I did six years ago and it's > fine. > > And yes too, you'll need longer bolts for the winch bracket. Replace them > with Grade 5 or Grade 8 hex head bolts. You'll likely have to go to a > specialty store that specializes in nuts and bolts since few Home Depot type > stores carry a large enough selection of rated (Grade 5 or 8) bolts. Just > take one of the torx-head bolts into the store with you to get the right > thread. > > Jerry > > -- > -- > Jerry Bransford > To email, remove 'me' from my email address > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > "Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message > news:tea0lvod8eig1i0eerdrk8rtm0u19d18m6@4ax.com... > > I purchased a winch plate from the local Jeep dealer to mount my old > > Warn HS9500 to my '03 TJ... Sorta have two question woundering if > > anyone here can offer some advice too.. > > > > The four bolts that originally hold just the tow hooks -- is adding > > that extra 1/4" between the bumper and tow hooks still allow for > > the 4 OEM torq bolts to work..ie does that extra 1/4 require me to > > locate some longer bolts...and if so is it even possible to find > > similar torx head bolts of an adiqute grade? > > > > Then the two bolts that hold the sleeve the rubber spacer on the front > > stabalizer bar to the frame --- there is a 1/4" space between the > > sleeve and the winch plate, would shimming that with washers and > > replacing the OEM bolt with one of adiqute length and grade work okay? > > > > It would be nice to have some answers before tuesday (next day the > > dealer is open).. kinda want to get this thing on and the bolts tack > > welded and get some use out of it...would be shame to waste this > > weekend.. ;-) > > |
Re: Winch Question
The threads for the mounting plate are metric and it may be difficult to
find them at the local hardware outfit. I ended up going to an industrial bulk supplier, Wurth Fastener, and talked them into selling me just 4. The wacky thing about Warns mounting kits, they give you locks for the winch and the center plate to frame tabs, but not for the frame to tab bolts. So, unless you weld them someone can just unbolt the whole thing, mounting plate and all & walk away with it. "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message news:A3W3b.27968$Qy4.12030@fed1read05... > First, caution on the two bolts per bracket that hold the swaybar down. > They are not rated bolts, they are like self-tapping bolts and > over-tightening them will easily strip out the female threads. Yes, you can > use washers to level out that area, that's what I did six years ago and it's > fine. > > And yes too, you'll need longer bolts for the winch bracket. Replace them > with Grade 5 or Grade 8 hex head bolts. You'll likely have to go to a > specialty store that specializes in nuts and bolts since few Home Depot type > stores carry a large enough selection of rated (Grade 5 or 8) bolts. Just > take one of the torx-head bolts into the store with you to get the right > thread. > > Jerry > > -- > -- > Jerry Bransford > To email, remove 'me' from my email address > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > "Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message > news:tea0lvod8eig1i0eerdrk8rtm0u19d18m6@4ax.com... > > I purchased a winch plate from the local Jeep dealer to mount my old > > Warn HS9500 to my '03 TJ... Sorta have two question woundering if > > anyone here can offer some advice too.. > > > > The four bolts that originally hold just the tow hooks -- is adding > > that extra 1/4" between the bumper and tow hooks still allow for > > the 4 OEM torq bolts to work..ie does that extra 1/4 require me to > > locate some longer bolts...and if so is it even possible to find > > similar torx head bolts of an adiqute grade? > > > > Then the two bolts that hold the sleeve the rubber spacer on the front > > stabalizer bar to the frame --- there is a 1/4" space between the > > sleeve and the winch plate, would shimming that with washers and > > replacing the OEM bolt with one of adiqute length and grade work okay? > > > > It would be nice to have some answers before tuesday (next day the > > dealer is open).. kinda want to get this thing on and the bolts tack > > welded and get some use out of it...would be shame to waste this > > weekend.. ;-) > > |
Re: Winch Question
I could have sworn mine were 1/2" coarse thread Imperial bolts.
Doesn't make sense for them to be Torx and Imperial......but I remember replacing them with grade 8 bolts.....and you can't get "grade 8" metric.....it's either 8.8 or 10.8, or whatever..... Paul On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:28:56 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote: >The threads for the mounting plate are metric and it may be difficult to >find them at the local hardware outfit. I ended up going to an industrial >bulk supplier, Wurth Fastener, and talked them into selling me just 4. > |
Re: Winch Question
I could have sworn mine were 1/2" coarse thread Imperial bolts.
Doesn't make sense for them to be Torx and Imperial......but I remember replacing them with grade 8 bolts.....and you can't get "grade 8" metric.....it's either 8.8 or 10.8, or whatever..... Paul On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:28:56 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote: >The threads for the mounting plate are metric and it may be difficult to >find them at the local hardware outfit. I ended up going to an industrial >bulk supplier, Wurth Fastener, and talked them into selling me just 4. > |
Re: Winch Question
I have found that ACE hardware stores usually have a great selection of
bolts. NAPA used to have them,..but the one here took that part out of the store. Billy "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message news:A3W3b.27968$Qy4.12030@fed1read05... > First, caution on the two bolts per bracket that hold the swaybar down. > They are not rated bolts, they are like self-tapping bolts and > over-tightening them will easily strip out the female threads. Yes, you can > use washers to level out that area, that's what I did six years ago and it's > fine. > > And yes too, you'll need longer bolts for the winch bracket. Replace them > with Grade 5 or Grade 8 hex head bolts. You'll likely have to go to a > specialty store that specializes in nuts and bolts since few Home Depot type > stores carry a large enough selection of rated (Grade 5 or 8) bolts. Just > take one of the torx-head bolts into the store with you to get the right > thread. > > Jerry > > -- > -- > Jerry Bransford > To email, remove 'me' from my email address > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > "Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message > news:tea0lvod8eig1i0eerdrk8rtm0u19d18m6@4ax.com... > > I purchased a winch plate from the local Jeep dealer to mount my old > > Warn HS9500 to my '03 TJ... Sorta have two question woundering if > > anyone here can offer some advice too.. > > > > The four bolts that originally hold just the tow hooks -- is adding > > that extra 1/4" between the bumper and tow hooks still allow for > > the 4 OEM torq bolts to work..ie does that extra 1/4 require me to > > locate some longer bolts...and if so is it even possible to find > > similar torx head bolts of an adiqute grade? > > > > Then the two bolts that hold the sleeve the rubber spacer on the front > > stabalizer bar to the frame --- there is a 1/4" space between the > > sleeve and the winch plate, would shimming that with washers and > > replacing the OEM bolt with one of adiqute length and grade work okay? > > > > It would be nice to have some answers before tuesday (next day the > > dealer is open).. kinda want to get this thing on and the bolts tack > > welded and get some use out of it...would be shame to waste this > > weekend.. ;-) > > |
Re: Winch Question
I have found that ACE hardware stores usually have a great selection of
bolts. NAPA used to have them,..but the one here took that part out of the store. Billy "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message news:A3W3b.27968$Qy4.12030@fed1read05... > First, caution on the two bolts per bracket that hold the swaybar down. > They are not rated bolts, they are like self-tapping bolts and > over-tightening them will easily strip out the female threads. Yes, you can > use washers to level out that area, that's what I did six years ago and it's > fine. > > And yes too, you'll need longer bolts for the winch bracket. Replace them > with Grade 5 or Grade 8 hex head bolts. You'll likely have to go to a > specialty store that specializes in nuts and bolts since few Home Depot type > stores carry a large enough selection of rated (Grade 5 or 8) bolts. Just > take one of the torx-head bolts into the store with you to get the right > thread. > > Jerry > > -- > -- > Jerry Bransford > To email, remove 'me' from my email address > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > "Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message > news:tea0lvod8eig1i0eerdrk8rtm0u19d18m6@4ax.com... > > I purchased a winch plate from the local Jeep dealer to mount my old > > Warn HS9500 to my '03 TJ... Sorta have two question woundering if > > anyone here can offer some advice too.. > > > > The four bolts that originally hold just the tow hooks -- is adding > > that extra 1/4" between the bumper and tow hooks still allow for > > the 4 OEM torq bolts to work..ie does that extra 1/4 require me to > > locate some longer bolts...and if so is it even possible to find > > similar torx head bolts of an adiqute grade? > > > > Then the two bolts that hold the sleeve the rubber spacer on the front > > stabalizer bar to the frame --- there is a 1/4" space between the > > sleeve and the winch plate, would shimming that with washers and > > replacing the OEM bolt with one of adiqute length and grade work okay? > > > > It would be nice to have some answers before tuesday (next day the > > dealer is open).. kinda want to get this thing on and the bolts tack > > welded and get some use out of it...would be shame to waste this > > weekend.. ;-) > > |
Re: Winch Question
Yeah, I think they were 8.8s.
"Paul Keating" <pfk@rogers.com> wrote in message news:3f5393ea.12554542@news1.sympatico.ca... > I could have sworn mine were 1/2" coarse thread Imperial bolts. > Doesn't make sense for them to be Torx and Imperial......but I > remember replacing them with grade 8 bolts.....and you can't get > "grade 8" metric.....it's either 8.8 or 10.8, or whatever..... > > Paul > > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:28:56 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge" > <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote: > > >The threads for the mounting plate are metric and it may be difficult to > >find them at the local hardware outfit. I ended up going to an industrial > >bulk supplier, Wurth Fastener, and talked them into selling me just 4. > > |
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