Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:03:15 -0700, "Generic" <generic@scientist.com>
wrote:

>Again, yeah... 3 MPG is better than 10%, 5 MPG is close to 25%. The
>vehicles are obviously meant for different purposes--but the CR-V and Escape
>get better on-road mileage with the baggage of full-time 4wd.
>
>What is WRONG about selling them with newer engines? Especially if you can
>get more power and better mileage at the same time.

One gets the feeling here that some Jeep fans wish it were still, say,
1955.

---
RJ

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

RJ did pass the time by typing:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:03:15 -0700, "Generic" <generic@scientist.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Again, yeah... 3 MPG is better than 10%, 5 MPG is close to 25%. The
>> vehicles are obviously meant for different purposes--but the CR-V and Escape
>> get better on-road mileage with the baggage of full-time 4wd.
>>
>> What is WRONG about selling them with newer engines? Especially if you can
>> get more power and better mileage at the same time.
>
> One gets the feeling here that some Jeep fans wish it were still, say,
> 1955.

:) That only is till the ol carb is sitting at too great an angle
and the engine is sputtering on fumes. Then fuel injection becomes the
next killer mod.


--
DougW

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

RJ did pass the time by typing:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:03:15 -0700, "Generic" <generic@scientist.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Again, yeah... 3 MPG is better than 10%, 5 MPG is close to 25%. The
>> vehicles are obviously meant for different purposes--but the CR-V and Escape
>> get better on-road mileage with the baggage of full-time 4wd.
>>
>> What is WRONG about selling them with newer engines? Especially if you can
>> get more power and better mileage at the same time.
>
> One gets the feeling here that some Jeep fans wish it were still, say,
> 1955.

:) That only is till the ol carb is sitting at too great an angle
and the engine is sputtering on fumes. Then fuel injection becomes the
next killer mod.


--
DougW

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

RJ did pass the time by typing:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:03:15 -0700, "Generic" <generic@scientist.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Again, yeah... 3 MPG is better than 10%, 5 MPG is close to 25%. The
>> vehicles are obviously meant for different purposes--but the CR-V and Escape
>> get better on-road mileage with the baggage of full-time 4wd.
>>
>> What is WRONG about selling them with newer engines? Especially if you can
>> get more power and better mileage at the same time.
>
> One gets the feeling here that some Jeep fans wish it were still, say,
> 1955.

:) That only is till the ol carb is sitting at too great an angle
and the engine is sputtering on fumes. Then fuel injection becomes the
next killer mod.


--
DougW

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

My '55 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

RJ wrote:
>
> One gets the feeling here that some Jeep fans wish it were still, say,
> 1955.
>
> ---
> RJ

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

My '55 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

RJ wrote:
>
> One gets the feeling here that some Jeep fans wish it were still, say,
> 1955.
>
> ---
> RJ

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

My '55 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/55jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

RJ wrote:
>
> One gets the feeling here that some Jeep fans wish it were still, say,
> 1955.
>
> ---
> RJ

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:<412A26AA.B375E4DC@cox.net>...
> And a heavy gas-guzzler is the cheapest life insurance we may buy.

A heavier diesel burner would be even better.

A Detroit or Cat is out of the question for a TJ, but there are
diesels that would work. A OM617 Benz motor would be ideal from an
availability standpoint, but the sump is in front, so another oil pan
would have to be made. Or dry sump it, but that would probably be high
dollar.

Nissan, Mits, and Isuzu all have possibly suitable plants.

The four cylinder B Cummins is excellent, except it is redlined
around 2200 and has so much torque the stock driveline probably won't
handle it.

The Liberty comes out with a VM electronic diesel (for the US market)
in 05 and maybe they will pull their heads from their ass and offer a
retrofit kit. A swap using one is possible but you need all the boxes,
harness, et al. The upside is power and torque and smooth idle: the
downside is it's an electronic engine. There is also a mechanical (I
think) inline six VM Cento engine that was used in FedEx vans and in
several other apps-a German tuner was putting them in Jaguars at one
time. Don't know if weight, size are ok for a TJ.

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:<412A26AA.B375E4DC@cox.net>...
> And a heavy gas-guzzler is the cheapest life insurance we may buy.

A heavier diesel burner would be even better.

A Detroit or Cat is out of the question for a TJ, but there are
diesels that would work. A OM617 Benz motor would be ideal from an
availability standpoint, but the sump is in front, so another oil pan
would have to be made. Or dry sump it, but that would probably be high
dollar.

Nissan, Mits, and Isuzu all have possibly suitable plants.

The four cylinder B Cummins is excellent, except it is redlined
around 2200 and has so much torque the stock driveline probably won't
handle it.

The Liberty comes out with a VM electronic diesel (for the US market)
in 05 and maybe they will pull their heads from their ass and offer a
retrofit kit. A swap using one is possible but you need all the boxes,
harness, et al. The upside is power and torque and smooth idle: the
downside is it's an electronic engine. There is also a mechanical (I
think) inline six VM Cento engine that was used in FedEx vans and in
several other apps-a German tuner was putting them in Jaguars at one
time. Don't know if weight, size are ok for a TJ.

Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:<412A26AA.B375E4DC@cox.net>...
> And a heavy gas-guzzler is the cheapest life insurance we may buy.

A heavier diesel burner would be even better.

A Detroit or Cat is out of the question for a TJ, but there are
diesels that would work. A OM617 Benz motor would be ideal from an
availability standpoint, but the sump is in front, so another oil pan
would have to be made. Or dry sump it, but that would probably be high
dollar.

Nissan, Mits, and Isuzu all have possibly suitable plants.

The four cylinder B Cummins is excellent, except it is redlined
around 2200 and has so much torque the stock driveline probably won't
handle it.

The Liberty comes out with a VM electronic diesel (for the US market)
in 05 and maybe they will pull their heads from their ass and offer a
retrofit kit. A swap using one is possible but you need all the boxes,
harness, et al. The upside is power and torque and smooth idle: the
downside is it's an electronic engine. There is also a mechanical (I
think) inline six VM Cento engine that was used in FedEx vans and in
several other apps-a German tuner was putting them in Jaguars at one
time. Don't know if weight, size are ok for a TJ.