To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer case putting a hole in the cover!!
 

I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
can give good insight.

I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
mi.
It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
it and won't hold fluid.
After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off
at a transmission shop and they will call tommorrow to tell me what
they think, however, the skeptic I am, I'm thinking they'll tell me it
all needs to be rebuilt, or at the very least, that they'll replace
the chain and seal on the cover for "Only $259" or something, however
those parts are cake to replace if I could only get the parts myself
patching the hole I couldn't do, but I'm hoping they won't just try to
get me to do it "The Transmission Specialist's" way, e.g. a complete
rebuild, or just try to replace a seal and patch a hole and then get
me for a few hundred, because I don't decide to go for the entire
rebuild, with hopes that it'll repare itself with some oil and maybe
some can of repair stuff.

So I am aware that patching won't do any good unless I replace the
chain...

Ok, so I'm assuming that with the absence of fluid present for some
time, there could be more wrong than just the chain stretched, right?
maybe a bad bearing?? something else??
Visually, the inside of the case doesn't look real bad. The large
gears look alright, and there isn't tons of wear that is obvious.
I am hoping (with my fingers crossed so I don't have to pull out
and replace the whole damn case) that there may be
......Some sort of chain kit or something that can be replaced while
the whole thing is still in the jeep, then patch the hole in the case,
and then with fluid, everything will be ok!! (maybe a little whining
which could go away, but with time and some trans-medic or something,
OK)

Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
blown or ruined?

Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
appreciated.

Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer caseputting a hole in the cover!!
 

Good luck, I don't see them even giving you the core exchange
value. If you travel any miles at all with no lubricate, the out put
bearings and sun and planetary gears have got to be history. Junk yard
if you want to save some money. Or rebuilt:
http://www.4wd.com/shopwrangler/Prod...CaseNP231&pg=4
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ben-town wrote:
>
> I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
> transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
> have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
> can give good insight.
>
> I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
> mi.
> It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
> it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
> it and won't hold fluid.
> After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
> stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
> has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off
> at a transmission shop and they will call tommorrow to tell me what
> they think, however, the skeptic I am, I'm thinking they'll tell me it
> all needs to be rebuilt, or at the very least, that they'll replace
> the chain and seal on the cover for "Only $259" or something, however
> those parts are cake to replace if I could only get the parts myself
> patching the hole I couldn't do, but I'm hoping they won't just try to
> get me to do it "The Transmission Specialist's" way, e.g. a complete
> rebuild, or just try to replace a seal and patch a hole and then get
> me for a few hundred, because I don't decide to go for the entire
> rebuild, with hopes that it'll repare itself with some oil and maybe
> some can of repair stuff.
>
> So I am aware that patching won't do any good unless I replace the
> chain...
>
> Ok, so I'm assuming that with the absence of fluid present for some
> time, there could be more wrong than just the chain stretched, right?
> maybe a bad bearing?? something else??
> Visually, the inside of the case doesn't look real bad. The large
> gears look alright, and there isn't tons of wear that is obvious.
> I am hoping (with my fingers crossed so I don't have to pull out
> and replace the whole damn case) that there may be
> .....Some sort of chain kit or something that can be replaced while
> the whole thing is still in the jeep, then patch the hole in the case,
> and then with fluid, everything will be ok!! (maybe a little whining
> which could go away, but with time and some trans-medic or something,
> OK)
>
> Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
> possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
> blown or ruined?
>
> Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
> appreciated.

Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer caseputting a hole in the cover!!
 

Good luck, I don't see them even giving you the core exchange
value. If you travel any miles at all with no lubricate, the out put
bearings and sun and planetary gears have got to be history. Junk yard
if you want to save some money. Or rebuilt:
http://www.4wd.com/shopwrangler/Prod...CaseNP231&pg=4
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ben-town wrote:
>
> I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
> transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
> have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
> can give good insight.
>
> I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
> mi.
> It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
> it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
> it and won't hold fluid.
> After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
> stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
> has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off
> at a transmission shop and they will call tommorrow to tell me what
> they think, however, the skeptic I am, I'm thinking they'll tell me it
> all needs to be rebuilt, or at the very least, that they'll replace
> the chain and seal on the cover for "Only $259" or something, however
> those parts are cake to replace if I could only get the parts myself
> patching the hole I couldn't do, but I'm hoping they won't just try to
> get me to do it "The Transmission Specialist's" way, e.g. a complete
> rebuild, or just try to replace a seal and patch a hole and then get
> me for a few hundred, because I don't decide to go for the entire
> rebuild, with hopes that it'll repare itself with some oil and maybe
> some can of repair stuff.
>
> So I am aware that patching won't do any good unless I replace the
> chain...
>
> Ok, so I'm assuming that with the absence of fluid present for some
> time, there could be more wrong than just the chain stretched, right?
> maybe a bad bearing?? something else??
> Visually, the inside of the case doesn't look real bad. The large
> gears look alright, and there isn't tons of wear that is obvious.
> I am hoping (with my fingers crossed so I don't have to pull out
> and replace the whole damn case) that there may be
> .....Some sort of chain kit or something that can be replaced while
> the whole thing is still in the jeep, then patch the hole in the case,
> and then with fluid, everything will be ok!! (maybe a little whining
> which could go away, but with time and some trans-medic or something,
> OK)
>
> Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
> possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
> blown or ruined?
>
> Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
> appreciated.

Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer caseputting a hole in the cover!!
 

Good luck, I don't see them even giving you the core exchange
value. If you travel any miles at all with no lubricate, the out put
bearings and sun and planetary gears have got to be history. Junk yard
if you want to save some money. Or rebuilt:
http://www.4wd.com/shopwrangler/Prod...CaseNP231&pg=4
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ben-town wrote:
>
> I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
> transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
> have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
> can give good insight.
>
> I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
> mi.
> It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
> it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
> it and won't hold fluid.
> After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
> stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
> has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off
> at a transmission shop and they will call tommorrow to tell me what
> they think, however, the skeptic I am, I'm thinking they'll tell me it
> all needs to be rebuilt, or at the very least, that they'll replace
> the chain and seal on the cover for "Only $259" or something, however
> those parts are cake to replace if I could only get the parts myself
> patching the hole I couldn't do, but I'm hoping they won't just try to
> get me to do it "The Transmission Specialist's" way, e.g. a complete
> rebuild, or just try to replace a seal and patch a hole and then get
> me for a few hundred, because I don't decide to go for the entire
> rebuild, with hopes that it'll repare itself with some oil and maybe
> some can of repair stuff.
>
> So I am aware that patching won't do any good unless I replace the
> chain...
>
> Ok, so I'm assuming that with the absence of fluid present for some
> time, there could be more wrong than just the chain stretched, right?
> maybe a bad bearing?? something else??
> Visually, the inside of the case doesn't look real bad. The large
> gears look alright, and there isn't tons of wear that is obvious.
> I am hoping (with my fingers crossed so I don't have to pull out
> and replace the whole damn case) that there may be
> .....Some sort of chain kit or something that can be replaced while
> the whole thing is still in the jeep, then patch the hole in the case,
> and then with fluid, everything will be ok!! (maybe a little whining
> which could go away, but with time and some trans-medic or something,
> OK)
>
> Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
> possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
> blown or ruined?
>
> Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
> appreciated.

Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer caseputting a hole in the cover!!
 

Figure what you have is toast. New prices $800 complete at
http://www.transfercases.com/order.new.htm

Junkyard prices vary but I've been quoted in the $400 to $500
range at the larger places.

It is about a 4 hour job at a standard independent shop, figure
$300 to $400 to install.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Good luck, I don't see them even giving you the core exchange
> value. If you travel any miles at all with no lubricate, the out put
> bearings and sun and planetary gears have got to be history. Junk yard
> if you want to save some money. Or rebuilt:
> http://www.4wd.com/shopwrangler/Prod...CaseNP231&pg=4
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ben-town wrote:
>
>>I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
>>transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
>>have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
>>can give good insight.
>>
>>I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
>>mi.
>>It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
>>it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
>>it and won't hold fluid.
>>After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
>>stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
>>has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off
>>at a transmission shop and they will call tommorrow to tell me what
>>they think, however, the skeptic I am, I'm thinking they'll tell me it
>>all needs to be rebuilt, or at the very least, that they'll replace
>>the chain and seal on the cover for "Only $259" or something, however
>>those parts are cake to replace if I could only get the parts myself
>>patching the hole I couldn't do, but I'm hoping they won't just try to
>>get me to do it "The Transmission Specialist's" way, e.g. a complete
>>rebuild, or just try to replace a seal and patch a hole and then get
>>me for a few hundred, because I don't decide to go for the entire
>>rebuild, with hopes that it'll repare itself with some oil and maybe
>>some can of repair stuff.
>>
>>So I am aware that patching won't do any good unless I replace the
>>chain...
>>
>>Ok, so I'm assuming that with the absence of fluid present for some
>>time, there could be more wrong than just the chain stretched, right?
>> maybe a bad bearing?? something else??
>>Visually, the inside of the case doesn't look real bad. The large
>>gears look alright, and there isn't tons of wear that is obvious.
>> I am hoping (with my fingers crossed so I don't have to pull out
>>and replace the whole damn case) that there may be
>>.....Some sort of chain kit or something that can be replaced while
>>the whole thing is still in the jeep, then patch the hole in the case,
>>and then with fluid, everything will be ok!! (maybe a little whining
>>which could go away, but with time and some trans-medic or something,
>>OK)
>>
>>Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
>>possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
>>blown or ruined?
>>
>>Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
>>appreciated.

Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer caseputting a hole in the cover!!
 

Figure what you have is toast. New prices $800 complete at
http://www.transfercases.com/order.new.htm

Junkyard prices vary but I've been quoted in the $400 to $500
range at the larger places.

It is about a 4 hour job at a standard independent shop, figure
$300 to $400 to install.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Good luck, I don't see them even giving you the core exchange
> value. If you travel any miles at all with no lubricate, the out put
> bearings and sun and planetary gears have got to be history. Junk yard
> if you want to save some money. Or rebuilt:
> http://www.4wd.com/shopwrangler/Prod...CaseNP231&pg=4
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ben-town wrote:
>
>>I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
>>transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
>>have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
>>can give good insight.
>>
>>I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
>>mi.
>>It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
>>it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
>>it and won't hold fluid.
>>After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
>>stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
>>has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off
>>at a transmission shop and they will call tommorrow to tell me what
>>they think, however, the skeptic I am, I'm thinking they'll tell me it
>>all needs to be rebuilt, or at the very least, that they'll replace
>>the chain and seal on the cover for "Only $259" or something, however
>>those parts are cake to replace if I could only get the parts myself
>>patching the hole I couldn't do, but I'm hoping they won't just try to
>>get me to do it "The Transmission Specialist's" way, e.g. a complete
>>rebuild, or just try to replace a seal and patch a hole and then get
>>me for a few hundred, because I don't decide to go for the entire
>>rebuild, with hopes that it'll repare itself with some oil and maybe
>>some can of repair stuff.
>>
>>So I am aware that patching won't do any good unless I replace the
>>chain...
>>
>>Ok, so I'm assuming that with the absence of fluid present for some
>>time, there could be more wrong than just the chain stretched, right?
>> maybe a bad bearing?? something else??
>>Visually, the inside of the case doesn't look real bad. The large
>>gears look alright, and there isn't tons of wear that is obvious.
>> I am hoping (with my fingers crossed so I don't have to pull out
>>and replace the whole damn case) that there may be
>>.....Some sort of chain kit or something that can be replaced while
>>the whole thing is still in the jeep, then patch the hole in the case,
>>and then with fluid, everything will be ok!! (maybe a little whining
>>which could go away, but with time and some trans-medic or something,
>>OK)
>>
>>Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
>>possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
>>blown or ruined?
>>
>>Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
>>appreciated.

Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer caseputting a hole in the cover!!
 

Figure what you have is toast. New prices $800 complete at
http://www.transfercases.com/order.new.htm

Junkyard prices vary but I've been quoted in the $400 to $500
range at the larger places.

It is about a 4 hour job at a standard independent shop, figure
$300 to $400 to install.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Good luck, I don't see them even giving you the core exchange
> value. If you travel any miles at all with no lubricate, the out put
> bearings and sun and planetary gears have got to be history. Junk yard
> if you want to save some money. Or rebuilt:
> http://www.4wd.com/shopwrangler/Prod...CaseNP231&pg=4
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ben-town wrote:
>
>>I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
>>transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
>>have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
>>can give good insight.
>>
>>I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
>>mi.
>>It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
>>it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
>>it and won't hold fluid.
>>After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
>>stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
>>has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off
>>at a transmission shop and they will call tommorrow to tell me what
>>they think, however, the skeptic I am, I'm thinking they'll tell me it
>>all needs to be rebuilt, or at the very least, that they'll replace
>>the chain and seal on the cover for "Only $259" or something, however
>>those parts are cake to replace if I could only get the parts myself
>>patching the hole I couldn't do, but I'm hoping they won't just try to
>>get me to do it "The Transmission Specialist's" way, e.g. a complete
>>rebuild, or just try to replace a seal and patch a hole and then get
>>me for a few hundred, because I don't decide to go for the entire
>>rebuild, with hopes that it'll repare itself with some oil and maybe
>>some can of repair stuff.
>>
>>So I am aware that patching won't do any good unless I replace the
>>chain...
>>
>>Ok, so I'm assuming that with the absence of fluid present for some
>>time, there could be more wrong than just the chain stretched, right?
>> maybe a bad bearing?? something else??
>>Visually, the inside of the case doesn't look real bad. The large
>>gears look alright, and there isn't tons of wear that is obvious.
>> I am hoping (with my fingers crossed so I don't have to pull out
>>and replace the whole damn case) that there may be
>>.....Some sort of chain kit or something that can be replaced while
>>the whole thing is still in the jeep, then patch the hole in the case,
>>and then with fluid, everything will be ok!! (maybe a little whining
>>which could go away, but with time and some trans-medic or something,
>>OK)
>>
>>Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
>>possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
>>blown or ruined?
>>
>>Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
>>appreciated.

Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer case putting a hole in the cover!!
 

In article <2621efad.0310122130.4a838c58@posting.google.com >,
Ben-town <bdtreez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
>transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
>have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
>can give good insight.

Too bad. What were the symptoms before the TC opened up and dumped
the fluid? I'm asking because I have 190800 on my YJ NP231 TC and
the only thing I notice is that is sounds like it whines a little
at highway speeds and stops when I let off the gas. Anyone know if
this is a stretched TC chain wanting to open the case?

>I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
>mi.
>It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
>it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
>it and won't hold fluid.

Did you buy it this way or did it make a "lot" of noise or just a
whine when you were on the highway?

>After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
>stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
>has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off

I would imagine this would sound like what my current YJ has but it
doesn't sound like it's wearing through the case. I think that would
be felt and heard too. Much louder than a whine?

>
>Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
>possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
>blown or ruined?

I would like to know the same before it happens to me. Any peticular
noise? Is it that highway whine when on the gas pedal and then when
just coasting it goes away? It doesn't sound very loud but it sounds
more like the rear.

>Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
>appreciated.

Same here...

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Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer case putting a hole in the cover!!
 

In article <2621efad.0310122130.4a838c58@posting.google.com >,
Ben-town <bdtreez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
>transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
>have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
>can give good insight.

Too bad. What were the symptoms before the TC opened up and dumped
the fluid? I'm asking because I have 190800 on my YJ NP231 TC and
the only thing I notice is that is sounds like it whines a little
at highway speeds and stops when I let off the gas. Anyone know if
this is a stretched TC chain wanting to open the case?

>I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
>mi.
>It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
>it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
>it and won't hold fluid.

Did you buy it this way or did it make a "lot" of noise or just a
whine when you were on the highway?

>After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
>stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
>has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off

I would imagine this would sound like what my current YJ has but it
doesn't sound like it's wearing through the case. I think that would
be felt and heard too. Much louder than a whine?

>
>Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
>possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
>blown or ruined?

I would like to know the same before it happens to me. Any peticular
noise? Is it that highway whine when on the gas pedal and then when
just coasting it goes away? It doesn't sound very loud but it sounds
more like the rear.

>Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
>appreciated.

Same here...

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Re: To those who know about the chain in a Jeep 231 transfer case putting a hole in the cover!!
 

In article <2621efad.0310122130.4a838c58@posting.google.com >,
Ben-town <bdtreez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I just saw some postings on a Jeep discussion about a hole in a
>transfer case and the stretched chain. Well this is exactly what I
>have, and I have to make a quick decision so I'm writing to anyone who
>can give good insight.

Too bad. What were the symptoms before the TC opened up and dumped
the fluid? I'm asking because I have 190800 on my YJ NP231 TC and
the only thing I notice is that is sounds like it whines a little
at highway speeds and stops when I let off the gas. Anyone know if
this is a stretched TC chain wanting to open the case?

>I just bought a nice 5-speed, 2-door, 96 cherokee, with about 150,000
>mi.
>It runs very well, aside from an obvious transfer case problem because
>it makes lots of noise. The transfer case has a hole on the bottom of
>it and won't hold fluid.

Did you buy it this way or did it make a "lot" of noise or just a
whine when you were on the highway?

>After taking off the cover, I've found that the chain inside has
>stretched out to the point where it has been rubbing on the side and
>has worn the hole through. I dropped the cover and gear and chain off

I would imagine this would sound like what my current YJ has but it
doesn't sound like it's wearing through the case. I think that would
be felt and heard too. Much louder than a whine?

>
>Have you heard of this problem before, and could this chain stretching
>possibly be preliminary enough to catch before the whole unit being
>blown or ruined?

I would like to know the same before it happens to me. Any peticular
noise? Is it that highway whine when on the gas pedal and then when
just coasting it goes away? It doesn't sound very loud but it sounds
more like the rear.

>Thanks in advance to any valuable advice. It will be very much
>appreciated.

Same here...

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