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nrs 10-05-2007 09:32 AM

Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
On Oct 4, 5:51 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote:
> Figure it was God's will, to wait until something comes alone with the
> equipment you want. Anti-lock Braking System is not what you want off-road:http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/
>
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191537880.190357.95540@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
> > Well, it got sold. I didn't move on it fast enough.

>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com


I agree, I'll keep looking for the right one. I used to have a ZJ
with ABS and there is a turn with a bump in town where the ABS would
always kick in and make the braking very weak just where you really
had to reduce your speed. Not a good feeling.


Earle Horton 10-05-2007 10:44 AM

Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed part
of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
know stuff like that?

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4705a90c$0$26418$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> This is a litigious society, up until a couple of years ago, BMWs
> passenger cars and Mercedes 4X4s for a couple, had a switch to disconnect
> ABS.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe496u$ghc$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > True, but if you intentionally disabled the ABS, and then caused serious
> > damage by smashing into something else, your insurance company would

have
> > grounds to disallow any and all claims made by or against you. ABS
> > theoretically makes the vehicle safer, you see. Installing a Dana 44
> > without ABS is theoretically disabling the safety features that the

> vehicle
> > was sold with. I am waiting for them to get legislation passed, that

> would
> > disallow claims made by or against those bozos who refuse to wear seat
> > belts.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




Earle Horton 10-05-2007 10:44 AM

Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed part
of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
know stuff like that?

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4705a90c$0$26418$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> This is a litigious society, up until a couple of years ago, BMWs
> passenger cars and Mercedes 4X4s for a couple, had a switch to disconnect
> ABS.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe496u$ghc$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > True, but if you intentionally disabled the ABS, and then caused serious
> > damage by smashing into something else, your insurance company would

have
> > grounds to disallow any and all claims made by or against you. ABS
> > theoretically makes the vehicle safer, you see. Installing a Dana 44
> > without ABS is theoretically disabling the safety features that the

> vehicle
> > was sold with. I am waiting for them to get legislation passed, that

> would
> > disallow claims made by or against those bozos who refuse to wear seat
> > belts.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




Earle Horton 10-05-2007 10:44 AM

Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed part
of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
know stuff like that?

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4705a90c$0$26418$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> This is a litigious society, up until a couple of years ago, BMWs
> passenger cars and Mercedes 4X4s for a couple, had a switch to disconnect
> ABS.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe496u$ghc$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > True, but if you intentionally disabled the ABS, and then caused serious
> > damage by smashing into something else, your insurance company would

have
> > grounds to disallow any and all claims made by or against you. ABS
> > theoretically makes the vehicle safer, you see. Installing a Dana 44
> > without ABS is theoretically disabling the safety features that the

> vehicle
> > was sold with. I am waiting for them to get legislation passed, that

> would
> > disallow claims made by or against those bozos who refuse to wear seat
> > belts.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




Earle Horton 10-05-2007 10:44 AM

Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed part
of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
know stuff like that?

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4705a90c$0$26418$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> This is a litigious society, up until a couple of years ago, BMWs
> passenger cars and Mercedes 4X4s for a couple, had a switch to disconnect
> ABS.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe496u$ghc$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > True, but if you intentionally disabled the ABS, and then caused serious
> > damage by smashing into something else, your insurance company would

have
> > grounds to disallow any and all claims made by or against you. ABS
> > theoretically makes the vehicle safer, you see. Installing a Dana 44
> > without ABS is theoretically disabling the safety features that the

> vehicle
> > was sold with. I am waiting for them to get legislation passed, that

> would
> > disallow claims made by or against those bozos who refuse to wear seat
> > belts.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




FDC 10-05-2007 11:58 AM

02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 

2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.

The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.

Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.

Any ideas ?

Farrell



FDC 10-05-2007 11:58 AM

02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 

2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.

The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.

Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.

Any ideas ?

Farrell



FDC 10-05-2007 11:58 AM

02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 

2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.

The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.

Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.

Any ideas ?

Farrell



FDC 10-05-2007 11:58 AM

02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 

2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.

The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.

Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.

Any ideas ?

Farrell



Mike Romain 10-05-2007 12:22 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
I could be mistaken, but I was told some have an antidrainback valve
inside the gas tank on the pump.

I would suspect this valve has failed or jammed from the impact. I
would suspect you need a new in-tank pump/filter/valve unit which is
expensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

FDC wrote:
> 2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
> start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
> person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
> to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
> tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
> to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
> The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
> off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
> than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
> Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
> want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
> start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
> crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
> on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
> crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
> checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
> tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
> knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
> now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
> start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
> fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Farrell
>
>


Mike Romain 10-05-2007 12:22 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
I could be mistaken, but I was told some have an antidrainback valve
inside the gas tank on the pump.

I would suspect this valve has failed or jammed from the impact. I
would suspect you need a new in-tank pump/filter/valve unit which is
expensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

FDC wrote:
> 2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
> start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
> person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
> to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
> tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
> to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
> The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
> off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
> than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
> Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
> want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
> start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
> crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
> on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
> crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
> checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
> tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
> knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
> now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
> start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
> fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Farrell
>
>


Mike Romain 10-05-2007 12:22 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
I could be mistaken, but I was told some have an antidrainback valve
inside the gas tank on the pump.

I would suspect this valve has failed or jammed from the impact. I
would suspect you need a new in-tank pump/filter/valve unit which is
expensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

FDC wrote:
> 2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
> start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
> person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
> to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
> tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
> to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
> The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
> off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
> than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
> Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
> want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
> start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
> crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
> on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
> crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
> checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
> tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
> knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
> now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
> start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
> fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Farrell
>
>


Mike Romain 10-05-2007 12:22 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
I could be mistaken, but I was told some have an antidrainback valve
inside the gas tank on the pump.

I would suspect this valve has failed or jammed from the impact. I
would suspect you need a new in-tank pump/filter/valve unit which is
expensive.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

FDC wrote:
> 2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
> start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
> person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
> to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
> tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
> to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
> The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
> off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
> than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
> Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
> want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
> start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
> crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
> on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
> crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
> checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
> tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
> knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
> now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
> start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
> fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Farrell
>
>


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-05-2007 04:50 PM

Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Hi Earle,
I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
> wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

part
> of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
> know stuff like that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-05-2007 04:50 PM

Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Hi Earle,
I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
> wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

part
> of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
> know stuff like that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-05-2007 04:50 PM

Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Hi Earle,
I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
> wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

part
> of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
> know stuff like that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-05-2007 04:50 PM

Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Hi Earle,
I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but I
> wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

part
> of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would I
> know stuff like that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle




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Earle Horton 10-05-2007 07:04 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Bill, she burned her hoochee. Now that's serious.

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4706989d$0$26388$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
> are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but

I
> > wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

> part
> > of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> > just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would

I
> > know stuff like that?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




Earle Horton 10-05-2007 07:04 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Bill, she burned her hoochee. Now that's serious.

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4706989d$0$26388$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
> are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but

I
> > wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

> part
> > of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> > just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would

I
> > know stuff like that?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




Earle Horton 10-05-2007 07:04 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Bill, she burned her hoochee. Now that's serious.

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4706989d$0$26388$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
> are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but

I
> > wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

> part
> > of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> > just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would

I
> > know stuff like that?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




Earle Horton 10-05-2007 07:04 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
Bill, she burned her hoochee. Now that's serious.

Cheers,

Earle

"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote in message
news:4706989d$0$26388$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six! TV shows like Extreme 4X4, Trucks, and other project cars
> are sent directly to the crusher, to avoid killing an idiot.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fe5ijd$o74$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Yep. I just figured I would throw that in. I know it's farfetched, but

I
> > wouldn't fancy getting in front of a jury and explaining how I removed

> part
> > of the stock braking system because it actually made braking worse. I'm
> > just a poor retired guy and I don't even have an ASE diploma. How would

I
> > know stuff like that?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com 10-06-2007 02:30 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
Have you tried checking the ignition switch itself? I had a old toyota
corolla that used to act like that and it was the culprit. Also, do you have
a crankshaft position sensor? I believe this sensor is used in the firing of
the spark through the computer. Could be wrong though, not that informed on
your vehicle... But, the collision could have jarred something,(Crankshaft
position sensor) and is not allowing it to fire, or fire properly. Remember,
Fuel, Fire, Timing......3 things need to start. eliminate each one until
you find the culprit. and being fuel injected, just having fuel isn't good
enough, it must be the right pressure.

FDC wrote:
>2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
>start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
>person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
>to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
>tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
>to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
>The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
>off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
>than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
>Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
>want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
>start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
>crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
>on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
>crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
>checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
>tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
>knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
>now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
>start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
>fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
>Any ideas ?
>
>Farrell


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RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com 10-06-2007 02:30 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
Have you tried checking the ignition switch itself? I had a old toyota
corolla that used to act like that and it was the culprit. Also, do you have
a crankshaft position sensor? I believe this sensor is used in the firing of
the spark through the computer. Could be wrong though, not that informed on
your vehicle... But, the collision could have jarred something,(Crankshaft
position sensor) and is not allowing it to fire, or fire properly. Remember,
Fuel, Fire, Timing......3 things need to start. eliminate each one until
you find the culprit. and being fuel injected, just having fuel isn't good
enough, it must be the right pressure.

FDC wrote:
>2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
>start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
>person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
>to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
>tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
>to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
>The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
>off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
>than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
>Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
>want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
>start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
>crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
>on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
>crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
>checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
>tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
>knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
>now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
>start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
>fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
>Any ideas ?
>
>Farrell


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RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com 10-06-2007 02:30 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
Have you tried checking the ignition switch itself? I had a old toyota
corolla that used to act like that and it was the culprit. Also, do you have
a crankshaft position sensor? I believe this sensor is used in the firing of
the spark through the computer. Could be wrong though, not that informed on
your vehicle... But, the collision could have jarred something,(Crankshaft
position sensor) and is not allowing it to fire, or fire properly. Remember,
Fuel, Fire, Timing......3 things need to start. eliminate each one until
you find the culprit. and being fuel injected, just having fuel isn't good
enough, it must be the right pressure.

FDC wrote:
>2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
>start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
>person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
>to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
>tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
>to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
>The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
>off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
>than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
>Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
>want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
>start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
>crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
>on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
>crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
>checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
>tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
>knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
>now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
>start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
>fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
>Any ideas ?
>
>Farrell


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RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com 10-06-2007 02:30 PM

Re: 02 TJ Hard to start after rearended
 
Have you tried checking the ignition switch itself? I had a old toyota
corolla that used to act like that and it was the culprit. Also, do you have
a crankshaft position sensor? I believe this sensor is used in the firing of
the spark through the computer. Could be wrong though, not that informed on
your vehicle... But, the collision could have jarred something,(Crankshaft
position sensor) and is not allowing it to fire, or fire properly. Remember,
Fuel, Fire, Timing......3 things need to start. eliminate each one until
you find the culprit. and being fuel injected, just having fuel isn't good
enough, it must be the right pressure.

FDC wrote:
>2002 4.0L I6 TJ Manual Tranny and until two weeks ago it never failed to
>start on the first crank. Two weeks ago I was setting at stop sign when the
>person behind me, for unknown reasons, thought I had pulled out and proceded
>to drive her little chevy car under the rear of my Jeep. My spare tire and
>tow hooks pretty much destroyed the front of her car but my Jeep appeared
>to be unaffected other then some scuffs on the gas tank.
>
>The gas tank isn't dented at all, just some of the black paint is scruffed
>off. There is no other damage , or even minor srapes , that I can see other
>than some of her paint on the bottome of my spare tire and on the tow hooks.
>
>Now if the Jeep sets more than 10 minutes after being shut off it doesn't
>want to start. If I turn the key and just crank and crank and crank it won't
>start at all. If I turn the key and crank crank crank, then stop, crank
>crank crank again, stop and crank crank crank again, it will normally start
>on the 3rd attempt. Sometimes it will almost start on the second 'crank
>crank crank' but fails with what sounds like a muffled belch or backfire. I
>checked the tank throughly I can't find even a small dent or any signs the
>tank was pushed out of place... I don't know. I can't figure out if it
>knocked somethign loose inside , maybe rust or something knocked loose and
>now clogging a filter ? It runs pefectly once it's started though. It will
>start just fine as long as it isn't allowed to set for long , almost as if
>fuel is draining out of something when it sits long enough.
>
>Any ideas ?
>
>Farrell


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Some Guy 10-08-2007 09:08 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six!


[snip]

As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
being done to your daughter, right?

http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

Some Guy 10-08-2007 09:08 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six!


[snip]

As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
being done to your daughter, right?

http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

Some Guy 10-08-2007 09:08 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six!


[snip]

As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
being done to your daughter, right?

http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

Some Guy 10-08-2007 09:08 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Earle,
> I don't know where these juries think the moneys coming from?????? A
> Mickey Dee's employ sued for two hundred million for a hazing she got, and
> was awarded six!


[snip]

As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
being done to your daughter, right?

http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-08-2007 09:23 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
Monday Night Quarterfaggot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>
> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
> being done to your daughter, right?
>
> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html




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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-08-2007 09:23 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
Monday Night Quarterfaggot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>
> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
> being done to your daughter, right?
>
> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-08-2007 09:23 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
Monday Night Quarterfaggot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>
> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
> being done to your daughter, right?
>
> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-08-2007 09:23 PM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
Monday Night Quarterfaggot.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>
> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
> being done to your daughter, right?
>
> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Some Guy 10-10-2007 12:38 AM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

[snip]

> And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
> Monday Night Quarterfaggot.


So you are OK with someone sodomizing your daughter because it's
"hazing"? Jesus, Bill, you're a sick man. Please seek help before it's
too late.

> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
> news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
>> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
>> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
>> being done to your daughter, right?
>>
>> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

>
>
>


Some Guy 10-10-2007 12:38 AM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

[snip]

> And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
> Monday Night Quarterfaggot.


So you are OK with someone sodomizing your daughter because it's
"hazing"? Jesus, Bill, you're a sick man. Please seek help before it's
too late.

> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
> news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
>> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
>> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
>> being done to your daughter, right?
>>
>> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

>
>
>


Some Guy 10-10-2007 12:38 AM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

[snip]

> And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
> Monday Night Quarterfaggot.


So you are OK with someone sodomizing your daughter because it's
"hazing"? Jesus, Bill, you're a sick man. Please seek help before it's
too late.

> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
> news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
>> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
>> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
>> being done to your daughter, right?
>>
>> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

>
>
>


Some Guy 10-10-2007 12:38 AM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

[snip]

> And you learn exactly what it was on 20/20 which played after I posted.
> Monday Night Quarterfaggot.


So you are OK with someone sodomizing your daughter because it's
"hazing"? Jesus, Bill, you're a sick man. Please seek help before it's
too late.

> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
> news:rwAOi.218695$zz2.167694@newsfe12.phx...
>> As usual, you've screwed up the facts again. The girl in question was
>> not only made to strip-search, she was sodomized by the manager's
>> fiancé. If that's "hazing," then I suppose you'd be quite OK with it
>> being done to your daughter, right?
>>
>> http://www.wjactv.com/news/14277937/detail.html

>
>
>


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-10-2007 12:58 AM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
Time for lights out at the insane asylum again?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:hHYOi.232313$zz2.218983@newsfe12.phx...
>
> So you are OK with someone sodomizing your daughter because it's
> "hazing"? Jesus, Bill, you're a sick man. Please seek help before it's
> too late.




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-10-2007 12:58 AM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
Time for lights out at the insane asylum again?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:hHYOi.232313$zz2.218983@newsfe12.phx...
>
> So you are OK with someone sodomizing your daughter because it's
> "hazing"? Jesus, Bill, you're a sick man. Please seek help before it's
> too late.




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 10-10-2007 12:58 AM

Re: Off Topic Re: Swapping D44 into ABS jeep
 
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
Time for lights out at the insane asylum again?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Some Guy" <noemailformethanks@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:hHYOi.232313$zz2.218983@newsfe12.phx...
>
> So you are OK with someone sodomizing your daughter because it's
> "hazing"? Jesus, Bill, you're a sick man. Please seek help before it's
> too late.





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