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Surprising source for ATF+4
Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this
afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) Grab some while you can. Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 cents per can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
I was at AutoZone yesterday and they had a few gallon jugs of Zerex G-05
tucked back in the corner. I don't know if it is now chain wide or just my local store. They also carry Valvoline brand ATF+4 I got a longer refill blade an cut it to fit... "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:j8Odna96z5JjehjYnZ2dnUVZ_uKknZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this afternoon, > I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as well. To my > surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 quarts for > $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product for DC and this > is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) Grab some while you > can. > > Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and some > decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > > I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from production > due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. I have a > couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one of those > guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit $65.00 in > eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 cents per > can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
I was at AutoZone yesterday and they had a few gallon jugs of Zerex G-05
tucked back in the corner. I don't know if it is now chain wide or just my local store. They also carry Valvoline brand ATF+4 I got a longer refill blade an cut it to fit... "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:j8Odna96z5JjehjYnZ2dnUVZ_uKknZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this afternoon, > I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as well. To my > surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 quarts for > $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product for DC and this > is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) Grab some while you > can. > > Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and some > decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > > I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from production > due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. I have a > couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one of those > guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit $65.00 in > eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 cents per > can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
I was at AutoZone yesterday and they had a few gallon jugs of Zerex G-05
tucked back in the corner. I don't know if it is now chain wide or just my local store. They also carry Valvoline brand ATF+4 I got a longer refill blade an cut it to fit... "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:j8Odna96z5JjehjYnZ2dnUVZ_uKknZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this afternoon, > I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as well. To my > surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 quarts for > $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product for DC and this > is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) Grab some while you > can. > > Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and some > decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > > I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from production > due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. I have a > couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one of those > guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit $65.00 in > eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 cents per > can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
billy ray wrote:
> I was at AutoZone yesterday and they had a few gallon jugs of Zerex G-05 > tucked back in the corner. I don't know if it is now chain wide or just my > local > store. They have it here too for two-bucks less than the dreaded Pep Boys. They get the business next time I need it; I normally buy 4 jugs at a time and don't need to buy again for 2 years. > They also carry Valvoline brand ATF+4 Cool. Doubtful they sell for less than Wally World though. I'll have a look next time I'm in there. > I got a longer refill blade an cut it to fit... I think I'll have to do the same. Thought about buying a 26-incher so that I can cut it in half and have both sides done at the same time, but the 'catch' won't be present on one of them. Still thinking about this one. I wish I know for sure when R-134a will cease production. The $3,000+ I made off the R-12 extinction was nice; wouldn't mind doing it again twofold. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
billy ray wrote:
> I was at AutoZone yesterday and they had a few gallon jugs of Zerex G-05 > tucked back in the corner. I don't know if it is now chain wide or just my > local > store. They have it here too for two-bucks less than the dreaded Pep Boys. They get the business next time I need it; I normally buy 4 jugs at a time and don't need to buy again for 2 years. > They also carry Valvoline brand ATF+4 Cool. Doubtful they sell for less than Wally World though. I'll have a look next time I'm in there. > I got a longer refill blade an cut it to fit... I think I'll have to do the same. Thought about buying a 26-incher so that I can cut it in half and have both sides done at the same time, but the 'catch' won't be present on one of them. Still thinking about this one. I wish I know for sure when R-134a will cease production. The $3,000+ I made off the R-12 extinction was nice; wouldn't mind doing it again twofold. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
billy ray wrote:
> I was at AutoZone yesterday and they had a few gallon jugs of Zerex G-05 > tucked back in the corner. I don't know if it is now chain wide or just my > local > store. They have it here too for two-bucks less than the dreaded Pep Boys. They get the business next time I need it; I normally buy 4 jugs at a time and don't need to buy again for 2 years. > They also carry Valvoline brand ATF+4 Cool. Doubtful they sell for less than Wally World though. I'll have a look next time I'm in there. > I got a longer refill blade an cut it to fit... I think I'll have to do the same. Thought about buying a 26-incher so that I can cut it in half and have both sides done at the same time, but the 'catch' won't be present on one of them. Still thinking about this one. I wish I know for sure when R-134a will cease production. The $3,000+ I made off the R-12 extinction was nice; wouldn't mind doing it again twofold. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately?
Outatime wrote: > Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this > afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as > well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 > quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product > for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) > Grab some while you can. > > Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and > some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > > I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from > production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. > I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one > of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit > $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 > cents per can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately?
Outatime wrote: > Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this > afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as > well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 > quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product > for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) > Grab some while you can. > > Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and > some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > > I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from > production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. > I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one > of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit > $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 > cents per can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately?
Outatime wrote: > Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this > afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as > well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 > quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product > for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) > Grab some while you can. > > Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and > some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > > I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from > production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. > I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one > of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit > $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 > cents per can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) Dan >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? > >Outatime wrote: > >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) >> Grab some while you can. >> >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. >> >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 >> cents per can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) Dan >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? > >Outatime wrote: > >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) >> Grab some while you can. >> >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. >> >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 >> cents per can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) Dan >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? > >Outatime wrote: > >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) >> Grab some while you can. >> >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. >> >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 >> cents per can. Something to think about. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
I have had refrigerant in the system in my 1989 Suburban for three and a
half years now. I ascribe this to getting fed up with incompetent "air conditioning repair" shops, and replacing all the hoses, compressor, O-rings and refrigerant myself. I don't see how they can "reformulate" the molecule without renaming it, but after working at Microsoft I learned that you don't trust industry or government. Earle "Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ggpjo25of6p29o1jt4m38u5fns570ci4mf@4ax.com... > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote: > > A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months > ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger > molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real > leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. > It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c > system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in > pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the > evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare > cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) > > Dan > > >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? > > > >Outatime wrote: > > > >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this > >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as > >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 > >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product > >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) > >> Grab some while you can. > >> > >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and > >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > >> > >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from > >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. > >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one > >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit > >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 > >> cents per can. Something to think about. > |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
I have had refrigerant in the system in my 1989 Suburban for three and a
half years now. I ascribe this to getting fed up with incompetent "air conditioning repair" shops, and replacing all the hoses, compressor, O-rings and refrigerant myself. I don't see how they can "reformulate" the molecule without renaming it, but after working at Microsoft I learned that you don't trust industry or government. Earle "Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ggpjo25of6p29o1jt4m38u5fns570ci4mf@4ax.com... > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote: > > A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months > ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger > molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real > leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. > It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c > system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in > pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the > evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare > cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) > > Dan > > >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? > > > >Outatime wrote: > > > >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this > >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as > >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 > >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product > >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) > >> Grab some while you can. > >> > >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and > >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > >> > >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from > >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. > >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one > >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit > >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 > >> cents per can. Something to think about. > |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
I have had refrigerant in the system in my 1989 Suburban for three and a
half years now. I ascribe this to getting fed up with incompetent "air conditioning repair" shops, and replacing all the hoses, compressor, O-rings and refrigerant myself. I don't see how they can "reformulate" the molecule without renaming it, but after working at Microsoft I learned that you don't trust industry or government. Earle "Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ggpjo25of6p29o1jt4m38u5fns570ci4mf@4ax.com... > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote: > > A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months > ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger > molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real > leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. > It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c > system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in > pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the > evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare > cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) > > Dan > > >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? > > > >Outatime wrote: > > > >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this > >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as > >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 > >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product > >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) > >> Grab some while you can. > >> > >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and > >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. > >> > >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the summer. > >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the > >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it that > >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from > >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. > >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one > >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can hit > >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 > >> cents per can. Something to think about. > |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
Hootowl wrote:
> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months > ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger > molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real > leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. > It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c > system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in > pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the > evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare > cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause changes. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
Hootowl wrote:
> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months > ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger > molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real > leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. > It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c > system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in > pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the > evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare > cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause changes. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
Hootowl wrote:
> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months > ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger > molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real > leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. > It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c > system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in > pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the > evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare > cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause changes. |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:48:32 -0700, "Earle Horton"
<anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote: >I have had refrigerant in the system in my 1989 Suburban for three and a >half years now. I ascribe this to getting fed up with incompetent "air >conditioning repair" shops, and replacing all the hoses, compressor, O-rings >and refrigerant myself. I don't see how they can "reformulate" the molecule >without renaming it, but after working at Microsoft I learned that you don't >trust industry or government. Yeah, I do the same thing. Replaced the compressor and reciever/drier myself, too. Got the compressor from a well-reputed salvage yard, and got a goody. 'Course, with mine being nearly 15 years old (since last rebuilt), I figured most any I got would have been rebuilt since it was. Love those old upright Yorks-they last forever! Dan > >Earle > >"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:ggpjo25of6p29o1jt4m38u5fns570ci4mf@4ax.com.. . >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote: >> >> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) >> >> Dan >> >> >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? >> > >> >Outatime wrote: >> > >> >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this >> >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as >> >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 >> >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product >> >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) >> >> Grab some while you can. >> >> >> >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and >> >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. >> >> >> >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the >summer. >> >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the >> >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it >that >> >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from >> >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. >> >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one >> >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can >hit >> >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 >> >> cents per can. Something to think about. >> > |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:48:32 -0700, "Earle Horton"
<anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote: >I have had refrigerant in the system in my 1989 Suburban for three and a >half years now. I ascribe this to getting fed up with incompetent "air >conditioning repair" shops, and replacing all the hoses, compressor, O-rings >and refrigerant myself. I don't see how they can "reformulate" the molecule >without renaming it, but after working at Microsoft I learned that you don't >trust industry or government. Yeah, I do the same thing. Replaced the compressor and reciever/drier myself, too. Got the compressor from a well-reputed salvage yard, and got a goody. 'Course, with mine being nearly 15 years old (since last rebuilt), I figured most any I got would have been rebuilt since it was. Love those old upright Yorks-they last forever! Dan > >Earle > >"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:ggpjo25of6p29o1jt4m38u5fns570ci4mf@4ax.com.. . >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote: >> >> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) >> >> Dan >> >> >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? >> > >> >Outatime wrote: >> > >> >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this >> >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as >> >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 >> >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product >> >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) >> >> Grab some while you can. >> >> >> >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and >> >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. >> >> >> >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the >summer. >> >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the >> >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it >that >> >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from >> >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. >> >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one >> >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can >hit >> >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 >> >> cents per can. Something to think about. >> > |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:48:32 -0700, "Earle Horton"
<anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote: >I have had refrigerant in the system in my 1989 Suburban for three and a >half years now. I ascribe this to getting fed up with incompetent "air >conditioning repair" shops, and replacing all the hoses, compressor, O-rings >and refrigerant myself. I don't see how they can "reformulate" the molecule >without renaming it, but after working at Microsoft I learned that you don't >trust industry or government. Yeah, I do the same thing. Replaced the compressor and reciever/drier myself, too. Got the compressor from a well-reputed salvage yard, and got a goody. 'Course, with mine being nearly 15 years old (since last rebuilt), I figured most any I got would have been rebuilt since it was. Love those old upright Yorks-they last forever! Dan > >Earle > >"Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:ggpjo25of6p29o1jt4m38u5fns570ci4mf@4ax.com.. . >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:55:10 -0500, philthy <dbrider@cac.net> wrote: >> >> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) >> >> Dan >> >> >can you say petrochemicals buy any car paint lately? >> > >> >Outatime wrote: >> > >> >> Whilest stocking up on some 10w30 Mobil One at Wally World this >> >> afternoon, I checked to see if they carried the new Valvoline ATF+4 as >> >> well. To my surprise, I discovered that they now stock OEM Mopar ATF+4 >> >> quarts for $4.42. (I'm sure Valvoline actually produces this product >> >> for DC and this is just rebadged, still, OEM ATF+4 is nice to find.) >> >> Grab some while you can. >> >> >> >> Now, if WM's buyers would kindly source some OEM DC or Zerex G-05 and >> >> some decent 13" wiper blades, I'd be a happy guy. >> >> >> >> I also noticed that R-134a has almost doubled in price since the >summer. >> >> I'm wondering if the Montreal Protocol and new US regs will drive the >> >> price even higher before production stops altogether. Rumor has it >that >> >> CO2 is the replacement, though it may be a few years away from >> >> production due to problems with the high operating pressures requried. >> >> I have a couple of cases stashed away for a rainy day. I was also one >> >> of those guys who had 4 cases of R-12 to sell when the price per can >hit >> >> $65.00 in eBay, and as I recall, I bought all 4 cases on sale for $.59 >> >> cents per can. Something to think about. >> > |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:16 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:
>Hootowl wrote: > >> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) > >That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is >extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? >Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled >within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach >occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause changes. I hope so, because 134a is what they are using in the new CFC-free asthma inhalers now (that insurance won't cover). My friend also told me that all eight techs who converted the first Arkansas plant to 134a from R-12 got cancer within a year and a half or so. But I haven't heard of any other such cases, so it could have been caused by something else. I sure hope so. Dan |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:16 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:
>Hootowl wrote: > >> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) > >That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is >extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? >Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled >within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach >occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause changes. I hope so, because 134a is what they are using in the new CFC-free asthma inhalers now (that insurance won't cover). My friend also told me that all eight techs who converted the first Arkansas plant to 134a from R-12 got cancer within a year and a half or so. But I haven't heard of any other such cases, so it could have been caused by something else. I sure hope so. Dan |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:16 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:
>Hootowl wrote: > >> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) > >That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is >extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? >Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled >within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach >occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause changes. I hope so, because 134a is what they are using in the new CFC-free asthma inhalers now (that insurance won't cover). My friend also told me that all eight techs who converted the first Arkansas plant to 134a from R-12 got cancer within a year and a half or so. But I haven't heard of any other such cases, so it could have been caused by something else. I sure hope so. Dan |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
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http://www.solvay-fluor.com/chemical...34a_pharma_NEW "Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:09dso29uiqgnu042ucmsh149olj88jd08f@4ax.com... > On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:16 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote: > >>Hootowl wrote: >> >>> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >>> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >>> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >>> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >>> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >>> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >>> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >>> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >>> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) >> >>That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is >>extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? >>Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled >>within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach >>occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause >>changes. > > I hope so, because 134a is what they are using in the new CFC-free > asthma inhalers now (that insurance won't cover). > > My friend also told me that all eight techs who converted the first > Arkansas plant to 134a from R-12 got cancer within a year and a half > or so. But I haven't heard of any other such cases, so it could have > been caused by something else. I sure hope so. > > Dan |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
Medical Inhaler Propellant Information:
http://www.solvay-fluor.com/chemical...34a_pharma_NEW "Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:09dso29uiqgnu042ucmsh149olj88jd08f@4ax.com... > On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:16 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote: > >>Hootowl wrote: >> >>> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >>> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >>> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >>> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >>> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >>> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >>> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >>> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >>> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) >> >>That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is >>extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? >>Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled >>within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach >>occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause >>changes. > > I hope so, because 134a is what they are using in the new CFC-free > asthma inhalers now (that insurance won't cover). > > My friend also told me that all eight techs who converted the first > Arkansas plant to 134a from R-12 got cancer within a year and a half > or so. But I haven't heard of any other such cases, so it could have > been caused by something else. I sure hope so. > > Dan |
Re: Surprising source for ATF+4
Medical Inhaler Propellant Information:
http://www.solvay-fluor.com/chemical...34a_pharma_NEW "Hootowl" <ELN/zooo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:09dso29uiqgnu042ucmsh149olj88jd08f@4ax.com... > On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:16 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote: > >>Hootowl wrote: >> >>> A commercial refrigeration tech friend of mine told me a few months >>> ago that 134a was reformulated a while back. It's now a larger >>> molecule that will actually stay in the system unless you have a real >>> leak. PAG oil and high-density hoses are no longer necessary, either. >>> It's been roughly two years since my '77 Cherokee's converted a/c >>> system (with salvage yard compressor) has had a measurable drop in >>> pressure. The hoses have splices, and the two sections on the >>> evaporator core are original (almost 30 years old). Those 2 1/2 spare >>> cans are still sitting on my closet shelf. :) >> >>That must have been a BIG change to no longer require PAG; 134a is >>extremely corrosive. I wonder if they also lessened the toxicity? >>Morbidity studies I've seen indicated that a fatal dose can be inhaled >>within 30 seconds inside a closed automobile should an evap core breach >>occur. You'd think that the liability from this alone would cause >>changes. > > I hope so, because 134a is what they are using in the new CFC-free > asthma inhalers now (that insurance won't cover). > > My friend also told me that all eight techs who converted the first > Arkansas plant to 134a from R-12 got cancer within a year and a half > or so. But I haven't heard of any other such cases, so it could have > been caused by something else. I sure hope so. > > Dan |
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