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Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
Help! I have a YJ that is suffering from no more "pickup" on the
freeway, except when really punched, terrible mileage (was 13.5 to 14 mpg, now 9.8 mpg), and load exhaust noise in my manifold that sounds like a cracked pipe (but is not). I thought that I'd be changing out the Banks TorqueTube header for the fourth time, but no, it's just my exhaust is loud in my manifold, probably because my (ex) mechanic indicates that #3 and #4 lifters are sticking and slow responding. I took the Jeep in because they advised me that a slow oil leak under my engine was a rear main about to go out. So when this engine noise added itself to my recently poor mileage (which changing plugs did not affect), I decided to throw some money at the YJ and get it fixed. They pulled the valve cover off, ID'd noisy and sticking lifters, and one that tapped loud, only one in a while, (sounding like the engine wanted to throw a rod), and decided that since the lifters and valves could not be serviced from above, that they'd just button it up again (1 hr. labor + gasket), because they didn't want to pull the head and have it worked on, since it might cause other problems. Hmmm... They went ahead and changed the rear main seals (another $350 or so labor), upper and lower, buttoned everything up, and got it back to me (after one day rental car, my wallet). Next day, same oil leak. Took it back. They thought that the oil pan gasket didn't seal, and resealed it. Gave it back to me. Next day it leaked. Took it back. Gee, it wasn't the rear main seal after all. Turns out, they tell me, that the back of the block on my 4.0L has oil plugs, and that one or both of those were leaking. (They actually implied that the rear main seal job wasn't necessary) Have to pull my tranny back to get to those plugs. Another rental car, another day. Get the bad news that my local Jeep dealer service department jacked up my tranny filler tube when they serviced it three and a half years ago, breaking off the tip up to the O-ring, inserting it deeper into the bell housing, and Permatexing the crap out of the junction. Turns out my tranny dipstick sits 2.5" deeper than it should for the past 3.5 years, now my tranny fluid looks like old engine oil, and they must service my tranny, since they're already there. New filler tube and diptsick, new day of rental car, probably another $350 labor. Next day, turns out oil plugs are fine, no leak. Small tranny leak "squirting" onto rear of engine block, looking like engine oil leak. Will they eat the rear main job and dicking around with the oil plugs? Yeah, right. Finally got my YJ back. Still sounds like sh!t (just like a badly cracked manifold), noisy and embarrassing as hell, with a "put-put" quality to the noise that makes me feel like I'm driving an Autopia car at the happiest Place on Earth, still has crappy mileage, and is no longer an enjoyable ride. I just put new 33s and AR rims on it, installed new Warn bumpers front and rear (including tire carrier custom modified to hold trail rack), and looked forward to enjoying my YJ this summer. Since I got my YJ back from the shop two weeks ago, I put 28 miles on it driving it back home, and haven't moved it since. Extreme depression going on over here. I'm now driving my '99 durango to and from work, and with its 5.2L RAM V-8, I'm getting 13.5 to 15 mpg. It's now cheaper to drive my gas guzzling Durango than my straight six 4.0L YJ. When I finally got the bill, I was shocked. They actually charged me for everything. Slightly over $1,250, as I recall. I went from feeling like I was in very trusted hands, to feeling like hands were in my back pocket. Funny, the owner had the conscience to call me on the phone a few days later (since I work next door), and ask why I wasn't driving the YJ. I tried to be polite to him, but I wanted to chew him a new MAck truck sized rear main seal. So here's my dilemma. Do I get have the valves pulled and sent out, or will this really cause me more problems down the trail? I take care of this Jeep like you can't imagine, and the mechanic next door knows it. It looks relatively new, but it's a '93 with about 189K on it. Only work ever done inside was a manifold cleanout before replacing it three times. Any advice here is appreciated. I need to get this smogged and registered in the next week or two. Sorry to bring such a lame story to the group. I'm really bummed out. Please e-mail me, since I don't visit here very often anymore (too many good memories, and lately way too much crap about goats). Thanks. Regards, Doug Gavilanes Garden Grove, CA. |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
Do you have a catalytic converter? Is it clogged?
You may have other problems, but if the engine can't breathe, you don't go. |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
Do you have a catalytic converter? Is it clogged?
You may have other problems, but if the engine can't breathe, you don't go. |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
Do you have a catalytic converter? Is it clogged?
You may have other problems, but if the engine can't breathe, you don't go. |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
Do you have a catalytic converter? Is it clogged?
You may have other problems, but if the engine can't breathe, you don't go. |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:47:42 GMT, D Gavilanes <gavilan1@earthlink.net>
wrote: >Help! I have a YJ that is suffering from no more "pickup" on the >freeway, except when really punched, terrible mileage (was 13.5 to 14 >mpg, now 9.8 mpg), and load exhaust noise in my manifold that sounds >like a cracked pipe (but is not). I thought that I'd be changing out >the Banks TorqueTube header for the fourth time, but no, it's just my >exhaust is loud in my manifold, probably because my (ex) mechanic >indicates that #3 and #4 lifters are sticking and slow responding. I >took the Jeep in because they advised me that a slow oil leak under my >engine was a rear main about to go out. So when this engine noise added >itself to my recently poor mileage (which changing plugs did not >affect), I decided to throw some money at the YJ and get it fixed. They >pulled the valve cover off, ID'd noisy and sticking lifters, and one >that tapped loud, only one in a while, (sounding like the engine wanted >to throw a rod), and decided that since the lifters and valves could not >be serviced from above, that they'd just button it up again (1 hr. labor >+ gasket), because they didn't want to pull the head and have it worked >on, since it might cause other problems. Hmmm... > >They went ahead and changed the rear main seals (another $350 or so >labor), upper and lower, buttoned everything up, and got it back to me >(after one day rental car, my wallet). Next day, same oil leak. Took >it back. They thought that the oil pan gasket didn't seal, and resealed >it. Gave it back to me. Next day it leaked. Took it back. > >Gee, it wasn't the rear main seal after all. Turns out, they tell me, >that the back of the block on my 4.0L has oil plugs, and that one or >both of those were leaking. (They actually implied that the rear main >seal job wasn't necessary) Have to pull my tranny back to get to those >plugs. Another rental car, another day. Get the bad news that my local >Jeep dealer service department jacked up my tranny filler tube when they >serviced it three and a half years ago, breaking off the tip up to the >O-ring, inserting it deeper into the bell housing, and Permatexing the >crap out of the junction. Turns out my tranny dipstick sits 2.5" deeper >than it should for the past 3.5 years, now my tranny fluid looks like >old engine oil, and they must service my tranny, since they're already >there. New filler tube and diptsick, new day of rental car, probably >another $350 labor. Next day, turns out oil plugs are fine, no leak. >Small tranny leak "squirting" onto rear of engine block, looking like >engine oil leak. Will they eat the rear main job and dicking around >with the oil plugs? Yeah, right. > >Finally got my YJ back. Still sounds like sh!t (just like a badly >cracked manifold), noisy and embarrassing as hell, with a "put-put" >quality to the noise that makes me feel like I'm driving an Autopia car >at the happiest Place on Earth, still has crappy mileage, and is no >longer an enjoyable ride. I just put new 33s and AR rims on it, >installed new Warn bumpers front and rear (including tire carrier custom >modified to hold trail rack), and looked forward to enjoying my YJ this >summer. Since I got my YJ back from the shop two weeks ago, I put 28 >miles on it driving it back home, and haven't moved it since. Extreme >depression going on over here. I'm now driving my '99 durango to and >from work, and with its 5.2L RAM V-8, I'm getting 13.5 to 15 mpg. It's >now cheaper to drive my gas guzzling Durango than my straight six 4.0L >YJ. When I finally got the bill, I was shocked. They actually charged >me for everything. Slightly over $1,250, as I recall. I went from >feeling like I was in very trusted hands, to feeling like hands were in >my back pocket. Funny, the owner had the conscience to call me on the >phone a few days later (since I work next door), and ask why I wasn't >driving the YJ. I tried to be polite to him, but I wanted to chew him a >new MAck truck sized rear main seal. > >So here's my dilemma. Do I get have the valves pulled and sent out, or >will this really cause me more problems down the trail? I take care of >this Jeep like you can't imagine, and the mechanic next door knows it. >It looks relatively new, but it's a '93 with about 189K on it. Only >work ever done inside was a manifold cleanout before replacing it three >times. Any advice here is appreciated. I need to get this smogged and >registered in the next week or two. Sorry to bring such a lame story to >the group. I'm really bummed out. > >Please e-mail me, since I don't visit here very often anymore (too many >good memories, and lately way too much crap about goats). Thanks. > >Regards, > >Doug Gavilanes >Garden Grove, CA. From some of the sounds you described, it may be more than a "sticky" lifter. A very simple and cheap trick to fix the lifter is to change your oil, but instead of using all motor oil, replace one quart with a quart of automatic transmission fluid. I know a lot of people will call me crazy, but it does work. My dad was a mechanic, and I worked for a couple of mechanics as a teen. You could use some additive such as Marvel Mystery Oil, but it will cost a bit more. Try it if you want, and after about a week, the lifters should quiet down. I just hope for your sake the "put-put" sound is not a burnt valve, which could be checked with a compreesion test. Good luck! Darrell |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:47:42 GMT, D Gavilanes <gavilan1@earthlink.net>
wrote: >Help! I have a YJ that is suffering from no more "pickup" on the >freeway, except when really punched, terrible mileage (was 13.5 to 14 >mpg, now 9.8 mpg), and load exhaust noise in my manifold that sounds >like a cracked pipe (but is not). I thought that I'd be changing out >the Banks TorqueTube header for the fourth time, but no, it's just my >exhaust is loud in my manifold, probably because my (ex) mechanic >indicates that #3 and #4 lifters are sticking and slow responding. I >took the Jeep in because they advised me that a slow oil leak under my >engine was a rear main about to go out. So when this engine noise added >itself to my recently poor mileage (which changing plugs did not >affect), I decided to throw some money at the YJ and get it fixed. They >pulled the valve cover off, ID'd noisy and sticking lifters, and one >that tapped loud, only one in a while, (sounding like the engine wanted >to throw a rod), and decided that since the lifters and valves could not >be serviced from above, that they'd just button it up again (1 hr. labor >+ gasket), because they didn't want to pull the head and have it worked >on, since it might cause other problems. Hmmm... > >They went ahead and changed the rear main seals (another $350 or so >labor), upper and lower, buttoned everything up, and got it back to me >(after one day rental car, my wallet). Next day, same oil leak. Took >it back. They thought that the oil pan gasket didn't seal, and resealed >it. Gave it back to me. Next day it leaked. Took it back. > >Gee, it wasn't the rear main seal after all. Turns out, they tell me, >that the back of the block on my 4.0L has oil plugs, and that one or >both of those were leaking. (They actually implied that the rear main >seal job wasn't necessary) Have to pull my tranny back to get to those >plugs. Another rental car, another day. Get the bad news that my local >Jeep dealer service department jacked up my tranny filler tube when they >serviced it three and a half years ago, breaking off the tip up to the >O-ring, inserting it deeper into the bell housing, and Permatexing the >crap out of the junction. Turns out my tranny dipstick sits 2.5" deeper >than it should for the past 3.5 years, now my tranny fluid looks like >old engine oil, and they must service my tranny, since they're already >there. New filler tube and diptsick, new day of rental car, probably >another $350 labor. Next day, turns out oil plugs are fine, no leak. >Small tranny leak "squirting" onto rear of engine block, looking like >engine oil leak. Will they eat the rear main job and dicking around >with the oil plugs? Yeah, right. > >Finally got my YJ back. Still sounds like sh!t (just like a badly >cracked manifold), noisy and embarrassing as hell, with a "put-put" >quality to the noise that makes me feel like I'm driving an Autopia car >at the happiest Place on Earth, still has crappy mileage, and is no >longer an enjoyable ride. I just put new 33s and AR rims on it, >installed new Warn bumpers front and rear (including tire carrier custom >modified to hold trail rack), and looked forward to enjoying my YJ this >summer. Since I got my YJ back from the shop two weeks ago, I put 28 >miles on it driving it back home, and haven't moved it since. Extreme >depression going on over here. I'm now driving my '99 durango to and >from work, and with its 5.2L RAM V-8, I'm getting 13.5 to 15 mpg. It's >now cheaper to drive my gas guzzling Durango than my straight six 4.0L >YJ. When I finally got the bill, I was shocked. They actually charged >me for everything. Slightly over $1,250, as I recall. I went from >feeling like I was in very trusted hands, to feeling like hands were in >my back pocket. Funny, the owner had the conscience to call me on the >phone a few days later (since I work next door), and ask why I wasn't >driving the YJ. I tried to be polite to him, but I wanted to chew him a >new MAck truck sized rear main seal. > >So here's my dilemma. Do I get have the valves pulled and sent out, or >will this really cause me more problems down the trail? I take care of >this Jeep like you can't imagine, and the mechanic next door knows it. >It looks relatively new, but it's a '93 with about 189K on it. Only >work ever done inside was a manifold cleanout before replacing it three >times. Any advice here is appreciated. I need to get this smogged and >registered in the next week or two. Sorry to bring such a lame story to >the group. I'm really bummed out. > >Please e-mail me, since I don't visit here very often anymore (too many >good memories, and lately way too much crap about goats). Thanks. > >Regards, > >Doug Gavilanes >Garden Grove, CA. From some of the sounds you described, it may be more than a "sticky" lifter. A very simple and cheap trick to fix the lifter is to change your oil, but instead of using all motor oil, replace one quart with a quart of automatic transmission fluid. I know a lot of people will call me crazy, but it does work. My dad was a mechanic, and I worked for a couple of mechanics as a teen. You could use some additive such as Marvel Mystery Oil, but it will cost a bit more. Try it if you want, and after about a week, the lifters should quiet down. I just hope for your sake the "put-put" sound is not a burnt valve, which could be checked with a compreesion test. Good luck! Darrell |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:47:42 GMT, D Gavilanes <gavilan1@earthlink.net>
wrote: >Help! I have a YJ that is suffering from no more "pickup" on the >freeway, except when really punched, terrible mileage (was 13.5 to 14 >mpg, now 9.8 mpg), and load exhaust noise in my manifold that sounds >like a cracked pipe (but is not). I thought that I'd be changing out >the Banks TorqueTube header for the fourth time, but no, it's just my >exhaust is loud in my manifold, probably because my (ex) mechanic >indicates that #3 and #4 lifters are sticking and slow responding. I >took the Jeep in because they advised me that a slow oil leak under my >engine was a rear main about to go out. So when this engine noise added >itself to my recently poor mileage (which changing plugs did not >affect), I decided to throw some money at the YJ and get it fixed. They >pulled the valve cover off, ID'd noisy and sticking lifters, and one >that tapped loud, only one in a while, (sounding like the engine wanted >to throw a rod), and decided that since the lifters and valves could not >be serviced from above, that they'd just button it up again (1 hr. labor >+ gasket), because they didn't want to pull the head and have it worked >on, since it might cause other problems. Hmmm... > >They went ahead and changed the rear main seals (another $350 or so >labor), upper and lower, buttoned everything up, and got it back to me >(after one day rental car, my wallet). Next day, same oil leak. Took >it back. They thought that the oil pan gasket didn't seal, and resealed >it. Gave it back to me. Next day it leaked. Took it back. > >Gee, it wasn't the rear main seal after all. Turns out, they tell me, >that the back of the block on my 4.0L has oil plugs, and that one or >both of those were leaking. (They actually implied that the rear main >seal job wasn't necessary) Have to pull my tranny back to get to those >plugs. Another rental car, another day. Get the bad news that my local >Jeep dealer service department jacked up my tranny filler tube when they >serviced it three and a half years ago, breaking off the tip up to the >O-ring, inserting it deeper into the bell housing, and Permatexing the >crap out of the junction. Turns out my tranny dipstick sits 2.5" deeper >than it should for the past 3.5 years, now my tranny fluid looks like >old engine oil, and they must service my tranny, since they're already >there. New filler tube and diptsick, new day of rental car, probably >another $350 labor. Next day, turns out oil plugs are fine, no leak. >Small tranny leak "squirting" onto rear of engine block, looking like >engine oil leak. Will they eat the rear main job and dicking around >with the oil plugs? Yeah, right. > >Finally got my YJ back. Still sounds like sh!t (just like a badly >cracked manifold), noisy and embarrassing as hell, with a "put-put" >quality to the noise that makes me feel like I'm driving an Autopia car >at the happiest Place on Earth, still has crappy mileage, and is no >longer an enjoyable ride. I just put new 33s and AR rims on it, >installed new Warn bumpers front and rear (including tire carrier custom >modified to hold trail rack), and looked forward to enjoying my YJ this >summer. Since I got my YJ back from the shop two weeks ago, I put 28 >miles on it driving it back home, and haven't moved it since. Extreme >depression going on over here. I'm now driving my '99 durango to and >from work, and with its 5.2L RAM V-8, I'm getting 13.5 to 15 mpg. It's >now cheaper to drive my gas guzzling Durango than my straight six 4.0L >YJ. When I finally got the bill, I was shocked. They actually charged >me for everything. Slightly over $1,250, as I recall. I went from >feeling like I was in very trusted hands, to feeling like hands were in >my back pocket. Funny, the owner had the conscience to call me on the >phone a few days later (since I work next door), and ask why I wasn't >driving the YJ. I tried to be polite to him, but I wanted to chew him a >new MAck truck sized rear main seal. > >So here's my dilemma. Do I get have the valves pulled and sent out, or >will this really cause me more problems down the trail? I take care of >this Jeep like you can't imagine, and the mechanic next door knows it. >It looks relatively new, but it's a '93 with about 189K on it. Only >work ever done inside was a manifold cleanout before replacing it three >times. Any advice here is appreciated. I need to get this smogged and >registered in the next week or two. Sorry to bring such a lame story to >the group. I'm really bummed out. > >Please e-mail me, since I don't visit here very often anymore (too many >good memories, and lately way too much crap about goats). Thanks. > >Regards, > >Doug Gavilanes >Garden Grove, CA. From some of the sounds you described, it may be more than a "sticky" lifter. A very simple and cheap trick to fix the lifter is to change your oil, but instead of using all motor oil, replace one quart with a quart of automatic transmission fluid. I know a lot of people will call me crazy, but it does work. My dad was a mechanic, and I worked for a couple of mechanics as a teen. You could use some additive such as Marvel Mystery Oil, but it will cost a bit more. Try it if you want, and after about a week, the lifters should quiet down. I just hope for your sake the "put-put" sound is not a burnt valve, which could be checked with a compreesion test. Good luck! Darrell |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:47:42 GMT, D Gavilanes <gavilan1@earthlink.net>
wrote: >Help! I have a YJ that is suffering from no more "pickup" on the >freeway, except when really punched, terrible mileage (was 13.5 to 14 >mpg, now 9.8 mpg), and load exhaust noise in my manifold that sounds >like a cracked pipe (but is not). I thought that I'd be changing out >the Banks TorqueTube header for the fourth time, but no, it's just my >exhaust is loud in my manifold, probably because my (ex) mechanic >indicates that #3 and #4 lifters are sticking and slow responding. I >took the Jeep in because they advised me that a slow oil leak under my >engine was a rear main about to go out. So when this engine noise added >itself to my recently poor mileage (which changing plugs did not >affect), I decided to throw some money at the YJ and get it fixed. They >pulled the valve cover off, ID'd noisy and sticking lifters, and one >that tapped loud, only one in a while, (sounding like the engine wanted >to throw a rod), and decided that since the lifters and valves could not >be serviced from above, that they'd just button it up again (1 hr. labor >+ gasket), because they didn't want to pull the head and have it worked >on, since it might cause other problems. Hmmm... > >They went ahead and changed the rear main seals (another $350 or so >labor), upper and lower, buttoned everything up, and got it back to me >(after one day rental car, my wallet). Next day, same oil leak. Took >it back. They thought that the oil pan gasket didn't seal, and resealed >it. Gave it back to me. Next day it leaked. Took it back. > >Gee, it wasn't the rear main seal after all. Turns out, they tell me, >that the back of the block on my 4.0L has oil plugs, and that one or >both of those were leaking. (They actually implied that the rear main >seal job wasn't necessary) Have to pull my tranny back to get to those >plugs. Another rental car, another day. Get the bad news that my local >Jeep dealer service department jacked up my tranny filler tube when they >serviced it three and a half years ago, breaking off the tip up to the >O-ring, inserting it deeper into the bell housing, and Permatexing the >crap out of the junction. Turns out my tranny dipstick sits 2.5" deeper >than it should for the past 3.5 years, now my tranny fluid looks like >old engine oil, and they must service my tranny, since they're already >there. New filler tube and diptsick, new day of rental car, probably >another $350 labor. Next day, turns out oil plugs are fine, no leak. >Small tranny leak "squirting" onto rear of engine block, looking like >engine oil leak. Will they eat the rear main job and dicking around >with the oil plugs? Yeah, right. > >Finally got my YJ back. Still sounds like sh!t (just like a badly >cracked manifold), noisy and embarrassing as hell, with a "put-put" >quality to the noise that makes me feel like I'm driving an Autopia car >at the happiest Place on Earth, still has crappy mileage, and is no >longer an enjoyable ride. I just put new 33s and AR rims on it, >installed new Warn bumpers front and rear (including tire carrier custom >modified to hold trail rack), and looked forward to enjoying my YJ this >summer. Since I got my YJ back from the shop two weeks ago, I put 28 >miles on it driving it back home, and haven't moved it since. Extreme >depression going on over here. I'm now driving my '99 durango to and >from work, and with its 5.2L RAM V-8, I'm getting 13.5 to 15 mpg. It's >now cheaper to drive my gas guzzling Durango than my straight six 4.0L >YJ. When I finally got the bill, I was shocked. They actually charged >me for everything. Slightly over $1,250, as I recall. I went from >feeling like I was in very trusted hands, to feeling like hands were in >my back pocket. Funny, the owner had the conscience to call me on the >phone a few days later (since I work next door), and ask why I wasn't >driving the YJ. I tried to be polite to him, but I wanted to chew him a >new MAck truck sized rear main seal. > >So here's my dilemma. Do I get have the valves pulled and sent out, or >will this really cause me more problems down the trail? I take care of >this Jeep like you can't imagine, and the mechanic next door knows it. >It looks relatively new, but it's a '93 with about 189K on it. Only >work ever done inside was a manifold cleanout before replacing it three >times. Any advice here is appreciated. I need to get this smogged and >registered in the next week or two. Sorry to bring such a lame story to >the group. I'm really bummed out. > >Please e-mail me, since I don't visit here very often anymore (too many >good memories, and lately way too much crap about goats). Thanks. > >Regards, > >Doug Gavilanes >Garden Grove, CA. From some of the sounds you described, it may be more than a "sticky" lifter. A very simple and cheap trick to fix the lifter is to change your oil, but instead of using all motor oil, replace one quart with a quart of automatic transmission fluid. I know a lot of people will call me crazy, but it does work. My dad was a mechanic, and I worked for a couple of mechanics as a teen. You could use some additive such as Marvel Mystery Oil, but it will cost a bit more. Try it if you want, and after about a week, the lifters should quiet down. I just hope for your sake the "put-put" sound is not a burnt valve, which could be checked with a compreesion test. Good luck! Darrell |
Re: Sticky Lifters Killing Mileage on YJ? Noisier Than Hell!
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
> Do you have a catalytic converter? Is it clogged? > > You may have other problems, but if the engine can't breathe, you don't go. Yes, cat converter replaced 2 years ago to pass smog. I've got plenty of air going in, and a relatively new cat and Flowmaster. |
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