Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95
ZJ 4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the
Wrangler, but may be the same as the Cherokee...

Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at
this time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]

Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.

Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
[again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off
and do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or
it may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.

Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.

Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
even in the cold.

Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one
with O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.

Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no
prolonged cranking.

Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one
side, replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter
relay there as well.

CURRENTLY it is starting.

The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side
of the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
starter.

Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
this?

AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such
that you get no click whatever?

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire that
caused an occasional fault.


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95 ZJ
> 4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the Wrangler,
> but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>
> Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
> time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>
> Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>
> Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
> somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
> [again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
> do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
> may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>
> Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>
> Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
> new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
> skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
> even in the cold.
>
> Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one with
> O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>
> Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
> Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no prolonged
> cranking.
>
> Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one side,
> replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter relay
> there as well.
>
> CURRENTLY it is starting.
>
> The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side of
> the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
> starter.
>
> Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
> this?
>
> AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such that
> you get no click whatever?
>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire that
caused an occasional fault.


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95 ZJ
> 4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the Wrangler,
> but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>
> Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
> time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>
> Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>
> Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
> somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
> [again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
> do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
> may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>
> Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>
> Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
> new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
> skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
> even in the cold.
>
> Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one with
> O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>
> Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
> Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no prolonged
> cranking.
>
> Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one side,
> replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter relay
> there as well.
>
> CURRENTLY it is starting.
>
> The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side of
> the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
> starter.
>
> Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
> this?
>
> AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such that
> you get no click whatever?
>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire that
caused an occasional fault.


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95 ZJ
> 4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the Wrangler,
> but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>
> Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
> time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>
> Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>
> Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
> somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
> [again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
> do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
> may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>
> Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>
> Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
> new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
> skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
> even in the cold.
>
> Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one with
> O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>
> Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
> Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no prolonged
> cranking.
>
> Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one side,
> replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter relay
> there as well.
>
> CURRENTLY it is starting.
>
> The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side of
> the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
> starter.
>
> Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
> this?
>
> AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such that
> you get no click whatever?
>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

Yeah, that is my secret nightmare. Where was your break?


Billy Ray proclaimed:
> I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire that
> caused an occasional fault.
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
>
>>Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95 ZJ
>>4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the Wrangler,
>>but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>>
>>Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
>>time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>>
>>Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>>
>>Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
>>somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
>>[again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
>>do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
>>may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>>
>>Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>>
>>Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
>>new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
>>skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
>>even in the cold.
>>
>>Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one with
>>O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>>
>>Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
>>Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no prolonged
>>cranking.
>>
>>Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one side,
>>replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter relay
>>there as well.
>>
>>CURRENTLY it is starting.
>>
>>The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side of
>>the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
>>starter.
>>
>>Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
>>this?
>>
>>AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such that
>>you get no click whatever?
>>
>
>
>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

Yeah, that is my secret nightmare. Where was your break?


Billy Ray proclaimed:
> I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire that
> caused an occasional fault.
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
>
>>Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95 ZJ
>>4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the Wrangler,
>>but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>>
>>Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
>>time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>>
>>Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>>
>>Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
>>somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
>>[again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
>>do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
>>may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>>
>>Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>>
>>Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
>>new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
>>skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
>>even in the cold.
>>
>>Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one with
>>O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>>
>>Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
>>Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no prolonged
>>cranking.
>>
>>Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one side,
>>replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter relay
>>there as well.
>>
>>CURRENTLY it is starting.
>>
>>The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side of
>>the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
>>starter.
>>
>>Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
>>this?
>>
>>AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such that
>>you get no click whatever?
>>
>
>
>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

Yeah, that is my secret nightmare. Where was your break?


Billy Ray proclaimed:
> I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire that
> caused an occasional fault.
>
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
>
>>Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95 ZJ
>>4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the Wrangler,
>>but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>>
>>Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
>>time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>>
>>Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>>
>>Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
>>somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
>>[again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
>>do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
>>may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>>
>>Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>>
>>Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
>>new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
>>skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
>>even in the cold.
>>
>>Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one with
>>O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>>
>>Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
>>Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no prolonged
>>cranking.
>>
>>Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one side,
>>replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter relay
>>there as well.
>>
>>CURRENTLY it is starting.
>>
>>The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side of
>>the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
>>starter.
>>
>>Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
>>this?
>>
>>AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such that
>>you get no click whatever?
>>
>
>
>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

It was repaired at a local garage. I have a vague recollection it may have
been in a fusible link but that car was traded-in in 1982 so it has been
quite a while ago.





"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R_udnUwKsMeBUu_eRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> Yeah, that is my secret nightmare. Where was your break?
>
>
> Billy Ray proclaimed:
>> I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire
>> that caused an occasional fault.
>>
>>
>> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95
>>>ZJ 4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the
>>>Wrangler, but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>>>
>>>Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
>>>time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>>>
>>>Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>>>
>>>Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
>>>somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
>>>[again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
>>>do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
>>>may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>>>
>>>Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>>>
>>>Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
>>>new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
>>>skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
>>>even in the cold.
>>>
>>>Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one
>>>with O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>>>
>>>Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
>>>Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no
>>>prolonged cranking.
>>>
>>>Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one
>>>side, replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter
>>>relay there as well.
>>>
>>>CURRENTLY it is starting.
>>>
>>>The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side
>>>of the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
>>>starter.
>>>
>>>Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
>>>this?
>>>
>>>AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such
>>>that you get no click whatever?
>>>
>>
>>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

It was repaired at a local garage. I have a vague recollection it may have
been in a fusible link but that car was traded-in in 1982 so it has been
quite a while ago.





"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R_udnUwKsMeBUu_eRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> Yeah, that is my secret nightmare. Where was your break?
>
>
> Billy Ray proclaimed:
>> I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire
>> that caused an occasional fault.
>>
>>
>> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95
>>>ZJ 4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the
>>>Wrangler, but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>>>
>>>Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
>>>time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>>>
>>>Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>>>
>>>Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
>>>somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
>>>[again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
>>>do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
>>>may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>>>
>>>Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>>>
>>>Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
>>>new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
>>>skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
>>>even in the cold.
>>>
>>>Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one
>>>with O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>>>
>>>Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
>>>Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no
>>>prolonged cranking.
>>>
>>>Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one
>>>side, replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter
>>>relay there as well.
>>>
>>>CURRENTLY it is starting.
>>>
>>>The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side
>>>of the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
>>>starter.
>>>
>>>Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
>>>this?
>>>
>>>AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such
>>>that you get no click whatever?
>>>
>>
>>

Re: Sticking Starter Solenoid on 4.0 ZJ 95?
 

It was repaired at a local garage. I have a vague recollection it may have
been in a fusible link but that car was traded-in in 1982 so it has been
quite a while ago.





"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R_udnUwKsMeBUu_eRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> Yeah, that is my secret nightmare. Where was your break?
>
>
> Billy Ray proclaimed:
>> I had a similar problem years ago that was caused by a break in a wire
>> that caused an occasional fault.
>>
>>
>> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:hKKdnXfg9qlJJe_eRVn-uw@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Anyone had experience with a possibly sticking starter solenoid on a 95
>>>ZJ 4.0 or similar. The starter is allegedly not the same as the
>>>Wrangler, but may be the same as the Cherokee...
>>>
>>>Symptom: Turn on key. Battery voltage is measured at 12.4 volts at this
>>>time, Digital Multimeter [Fluke]
>>>
>>>Turn key to start. Not a sound, not even a faint click.
>>>
>>>Putting the !@#$!@#$ thing on a flat tow truck and taking it across a
>>>somewhat bumpy route to a shop, and the thing won't start right away
>>>[again not a click] but on two occasions if you just turn the key off and
>>>do it again, you may get one click followed by an immediate start or it
>>>may just go ahead and start. Cranking speed is blisteringly fast.
>>>
>>>Alternator working great, checked twice by two different shops.
>>>
>>>Battery cables tight, clean. Battery is about 6 months old, but a brand
>>>new DieHard SUV does exactly the same thing. Both batteries checked for
>>>skin charge, but when the solenoid kicks in, the spin rate is very high
>>>even in the cold.
>>>
>>>Checked the transmission park safety switch. What the heck a new one
>>>with O ring is only eight bucks, swapped out.
>>>
>>>Damn thing did it again, refused to even click. Back to the shop.
>>>Two attempts yielded clicks, 3rd attempt full spinning start, no
>>>prolonged cranking.
>>>
>>>Found the fuel pump relay under the hood had a small crack along one
>>>side, replaced it. What the heck they are cheap, replaced the starter
>>>relay there as well.
>>>
>>>CURRENTLY it is starting.
>>>
>>>The shop loaned me an iron bar and said next time, try smiting the side
>>>of the solenoid not too gently, and if that fixes it, they'll order me a
>>>starter.
>>>
>>>Anything else other than a possible pinched wire somewhere that causes
>>>this?
>>>
>>>AT 85000 miles on the original, do these solenoids tend to stick such
>>>that you get no click whatever?
>>>
>>
>>