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Re: Spring issues
No, the kits use stock length YJ shackles which are just a bit longer than
stock CJ units and their effect on pinion/caster angles is minimal. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F43CC85.2EC7D295@sympatico.ca... > You would need a long shackle not to wrap wouldn't you? > > Then you would need wedges to set the axles back straight or the > alignment will never set. Same for the driveshaft angle. > > Mike > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote: > > > > Nope! Ten YJ spring can be installed in the original spring mounts on the > > frame (pre-76 Jeeps need the plates ------ an additional 1/2"). The > > additional length of the YJ springs is handled on the shackle end, the > > spring mounts are moved outward about 1" using adapted units available from > > OME, etc. YJ springs are a MAJOR improvement, esp on CJ5's. > > > > YJ tire rubbing issues are caused by the smaller tub wheelhouses, not the > > springs. However, if you're not doing a springover I'd go with a YJ lift as > > well as the conversion. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca... > > > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the > > > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I > > > think. > > > > > > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear > > > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured > > > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a > > > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one. > > > > > > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler > > > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues. > > > > > > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put > > > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first > > > leaf below the main one with the bushings. > > > > > > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in. > > > > > > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab > > > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler > > > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer > > > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in > > > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do > > > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing > > > > unexpected body lean? > > > > > > > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ... > > > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock > > Wrangler > > > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation > > I > > > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without > > > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm > > > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater > > travel. I > > > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without > > raising my > > > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be > > able to > > > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough > > to be > > > > > able to get way off camber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca... > > > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road? > > > > > > > > > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" > > ones > > > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a > > back > > > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't > > > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings > > and > > > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'... > > > > > > > > > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a piss now and > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years > > old. > > > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in > > the > > > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed > > has > > > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went > > on a > > > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told > > it > > > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't > > flip). I > > > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. > > I > > > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about > > 23 > > > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't > > > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go > > with > > > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so > > they > > > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift > > 1" > > > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is > > as > > > > > > > always an issue. |
Re: Spring issues
No, the kits use stock length YJ shackles which are just a bit longer than
stock CJ units and their effect on pinion/caster angles is minimal. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F43CC85.2EC7D295@sympatico.ca... > You would need a long shackle not to wrap wouldn't you? > > Then you would need wedges to set the axles back straight or the > alignment will never set. Same for the driveshaft angle. > > Mike > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote: > > > > Nope! Ten YJ spring can be installed in the original spring mounts on the > > frame (pre-76 Jeeps need the plates ------ an additional 1/2"). The > > additional length of the YJ springs is handled on the shackle end, the > > spring mounts are moved outward about 1" using adapted units available from > > OME, etc. YJ springs are a MAJOR improvement, esp on CJ5's. > > > > YJ tire rubbing issues are caused by the smaller tub wheelhouses, not the > > springs. However, if you're not doing a springover I'd go with a YJ lift as > > well as the conversion. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca... > > > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the > > > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I > > > think. > > > > > > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear > > > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured > > > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a > > > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one. > > > > > > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler > > > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues. > > > > > > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put > > > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first > > > leaf below the main one with the bushings. > > > > > > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in. > > > > > > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab > > > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler > > > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer > > > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in > > > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do > > > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing > > > > unexpected body lean? > > > > > > > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ... > > > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock > > Wrangler > > > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation > > I > > > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without > > > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm > > > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater > > travel. I > > > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without > > raising my > > > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be > > able to > > > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough > > to be > > > > > able to get way off camber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca... > > > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road? > > > > > > > > > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" > > ones > > > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a > > back > > > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't > > > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings > > and > > > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'... > > > > > > > > > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a piss now and > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years > > old. > > > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in > > the > > > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed > > has > > > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went > > on a > > > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told > > it > > > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't > > flip). I > > > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. > > I > > > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about > > 23 > > > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't > > > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go > > with > > > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so > > they > > > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift > > 1" > > > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is > > as > > > > > > > always an issue. |
Re: Spring issues
I had to buy new plates for the U-bolts, and new frame shackle mounts for
the front springs. My wrangler springs came with wrangler shackles which I used until I put revolvers on the back and Currie tow shacles on the front. Otherwise, there was no special mods needed. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca... > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I > think. > > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one. > > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues. > > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first > leaf below the main one with the bushings. > > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in. > > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing > > unexpected body lean? > > > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ... > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be > > > able to get way off camber. > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca... > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road? > > > > > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes. > > > > > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'... > > > > > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a piss now and then. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old. > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23 > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1" > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as > > > > > always an issue. |
Re: Spring issues
I had to buy new plates for the U-bolts, and new frame shackle mounts for
the front springs. My wrangler springs came with wrangler shackles which I used until I put revolvers on the back and Currie tow shacles on the front. Otherwise, there was no special mods needed. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca... > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I > think. > > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one. > > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues. > > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first > leaf below the main one with the bushings. > > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in. > > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing > > unexpected body lean? > > > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ... > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be > > > able to get way off camber. > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca... > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road? > > > > > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" ones > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a back > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes. > > > > > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings and > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'... > > > > > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a piss now and then. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years old. > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in the > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed has > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went on a > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told it > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't flip). I > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. I > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about 23 > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go with > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so they > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift 1" > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is as > > > > > always an issue. |
Re: Spring issues
Also My jeep didn't go any lower with the wrangler springs. They are softer
but have more arch to compensate. "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:LVY0b.4609$df2.217211@twister.socal.rr.com... > I had to buy new plates for the U-bolts, and new frame shackle mounts for > the front springs. My wrangler springs came with wrangler shackles which I > used until I put revolvers on the back and Currie tow shacles on the front. > Otherwise, there was no special mods needed. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca... > > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the > > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I > > think. > > > > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear > > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured > > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a > > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one. > > > > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler > > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues. > > > > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put > > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first > > leaf below the main one with the bushings. > > > > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in. > > > > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab > > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler > > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer > > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in > > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do > > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing > > > unexpected body lean? > > > > > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ... > > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock > Wrangler > > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation > I > > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without > > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm > > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater > travel. I > > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without > raising my > > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be > able to > > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough > to be > > > > able to get way off camber. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca... > > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road? > > > > > > > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" > ones > > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a > back > > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't > > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings > and > > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'... > > > > > > > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a piss now and > then. > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years > old. > > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in > the > > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed > has > > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went > on a > > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told > it > > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't > flip). I > > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. > I > > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about > 23 > > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't > > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go > with > > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so > they > > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift > 1" > > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is > as > > > > > > always an issue. > > |
Re: Spring issues
Also My jeep didn't go any lower with the wrangler springs. They are softer
but have more arch to compensate. "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:LVY0b.4609$df2.217211@twister.socal.rr.com... > I had to buy new plates for the U-bolts, and new frame shackle mounts for > the front springs. My wrangler springs came with wrangler shackles which I > used until I put revolvers on the back and Currie tow shacles on the front. > Otherwise, there was no special mods needed. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:3F43A7FD.1FE94CFA@sympatico.ca... > > I have been told you need to move the spring mounts on the frame for the > > wrangler springs. You also have to change the plate on the axle tubes I > > think. > > > > I thought about them when I did my frame up rebuild and needed a rear > > set to replace some broken leafs, but then thought about it and figured > > I didn't want to lower my Jeep, I wanted to lift it, so why go with a > > spring pack that is flat to start with like the wrangler one. > > > > Stock CJ springs can run 31-32" tires without hitting, stock wrangler > > springs can only run 235's or 29.5" tires without issues. > > > > I went with a stock set of CJ springs and had the truck spring shop put > > a 2.5" arch in them with a heavier 'keeper' spring replacing the first > > leaf below the main one with the bushings. > > > > They then arched my old front ones to match and put the keeper in. > > > > I bounce the crap out of mine and the arched springs have held up great. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > What year is your CJ? My '73 has the narrow springs. Did you fab > > > your Wrangler spring conversion or buy it? I thought about Wrangler > > > springs on mine but wondered what is done to accommodate the longer > > > springs. Does the frame have to be extended some to keep the axil in > > > the same place? I've also looked at the revolver shackles. What do > > > they do on the road? Is there danger in them "unfolding" causing > > > unexpected body lean? > > > > > > "Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:<Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com> ... > > > > I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock > Wrangler > > > > sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation > I > > > > have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without > > > > compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm > > > > changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater > travel. I > > > > figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without > raising my > > > > CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be > able to > > > > run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough > to be > > > > able to get way off camber. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > > news:3F4102E0.796D8B9A@sympatico.ca... > > > > > Are you removing your front sway bar for off road? > > > > > > > > > > My CJ7 with old soft springs in front arched 2.5" and new rear 2.5" > ones > > > > > will umm, make some interesting moves when twisting up, can have a > back > > > > > tire hanging 3' in the air sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > I have been told if I undo the sway bar it will help some, haven't > > > > > bothered trying to undo those 1986 bolts.... Then it needs bushings > and > > > > > likely new links, etc. Some day I will do that 'project'... > > > > > > > > > > But on our trails, even TJ's look like a dog having a piss now and > then. > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > > > cj573cj5 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a '73 CJ5 running stock springs that are about three years > old. > > > > > > I recently installed a TeraLow kit in the D20 and a LockRight in > the > > > > > > front end. I guess the extra traction and slower crawling speed > has > > > > > > inabled me to go places I could not before. Last weekend we went > on a > > > > > > ride and I found out that I am not flexing much at all (I'm told > it > > > > > > looked like a ballet move of some kind but at least I didn't > flip). I > > > > > > need to get good springs. Raising the Jeep isn't my preference. > I > > > > > > have a T15 which doesn't leave much of a driveshaft (it's at about > 23 > > > > > > degrees now). Additionally, It's tippy where we ride and I don't > > > > > > really need the tire clearance. A couple of similar Jeeps I go > with > > > > > > have BDS 2.5" springs and flex well. They are running the T90 so > they > > > > > > don't have my driveshaft issues. How does the Rancho or SuperLift > 1" > > > > > > lift spring flex/hold up? Are there any other options? Money is > as > > > > > > always an issue. > > |
Re: Spring issues
In article <Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Richard Harris <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote: >I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler >sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I >have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without >compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm >changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I >figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my >CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to >run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be >able to get way off camber. I want to respond by asking, do you still have your axle and spring bumper stops in place? I would imagine you do since you don't want to harm your brake hoses et al. Do you have axle and spring bumper stops? I have a 94 YJ and I have them. -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: Spring issues
In article <Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Richard Harris <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote: >I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler >sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I >have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without >compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm >changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. I >figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising my >CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able to >run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to be >able to get way off camber. I want to respond by asking, do you still have your axle and spring bumper stops in place? I would imagine you do since you don't want to harm your brake hoses et al. Do you have axle and spring bumper stops? I have a 94 YJ and I have them. -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: Spring issues
In article <CYd3b.21859$Pd3.639115@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Richard Harris <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote: > >"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message >news:3f4c9078_2@nntp2.nac.net... >> In article <Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com>, >> Richard Harris <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote: >> >I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler >> >sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I >> >have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without >> >compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm >> >changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. >I >> >figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising >my >> >CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able >to >> >run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to >be >> >able to get way off camber. >> >> I want to respond by asking, do you still have your axle and spring bumper >> stops in place? I would imagine you do since you don't want to harm your >> brake hoses et al. Do you have axle and spring bumper stops? I have a 94 >> YJ and I have them. >> >I had to use extended shocks to get the travel and an extended brake cable >also. I do have bump stops to prevent the shocks from being over-compressed >as well as a limit strap for droop to prevent over-extending the shocks and >the driveshaft. Once I extend the shock towers, install lifted springs, >longer higher travel shocks and a long travel drive-shaft I'll be able to do >away with the limit straps and bump stops. >Rich Okay that answers my question. The bump stops are basically for protecting the brake cables, axle hoses, even the wheel housing assembly. I currently have a disfigured RR wheel housing assembly because the PO must have hit a hole and the wheel got stuffed into the housing so deep it rode on the rear part and bent it in. I have to now figure a way to just replace that part instead of buying a whole new wheel housing assembly. I'm thinking of chiseling it out, bending it flat and then tacking it back on or using something like POR15 sealer. That stuff is real strong and works real well. -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: Spring issues
In article <CYd3b.21859$Pd3.639115@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Richard Harris <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote: > >"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message >news:3f4c9078_2@nntp2.nac.net... >> In article <Wtz0b.10714$Wo1.534112@twister.socal.rr.com>, >> Richard Harris <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote: >> >I Just put Revolver shacles on the back of the CJ. I have stock Wrangler >> >sprins all around and a 1" body lift. I can't believe the articulation I >> >have now. I've got the longest shocks I can fit under the jeep without >> >compression stopping them and I have 10" of travel at each wheel. I'm >> >changing out the shock towers (longer) to be able to get greater travel. >I >> >figure I'll be able to get 12" or more when I'm done. All without raising >my >> >CG too high. And with fender cutting and a 1" spring lift, I'll be able >to >> >run 33" tires, get incredible articulation, and keep the CG low enough to >be >> >able to get way off camber. >> >> I want to respond by asking, do you still have your axle and spring bumper >> stops in place? I would imagine you do since you don't want to harm your >> brake hoses et al. Do you have axle and spring bumper stops? I have a 94 >> YJ and I have them. >> >I had to use extended shocks to get the travel and an extended brake cable >also. I do have bump stops to prevent the shocks from being over-compressed >as well as a limit strap for droop to prevent over-extending the shocks and >the driveshaft. Once I extend the shock towers, install lifted springs, >longer higher travel shocks and a long travel drive-shaft I'll be able to do >away with the limit straps and bump stops. >Rich Okay that answers my question. The bump stops are basically for protecting the brake cables, axle hoses, even the wheel housing assembly. I currently have a disfigured RR wheel housing assembly because the PO must have hit a hole and the wheel got stuffed into the housing so deep it rode on the rear part and bent it in. I have to now figure a way to just replace that part instead of buying a whole new wheel housing assembly. I'm thinking of chiseling it out, bending it flat and then tacking it back on or using something like POR15 sealer. That stuff is real strong and works real well. -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
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