Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago.
I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header gasket. Help!!! -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis
<travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. >I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header >bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the >driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket >Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only >replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the >other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after >letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not >even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't >see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere >over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I >could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source >for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust >when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header >gasket. Help!!! Hey, look at what I found: <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing me. Advice, please? Thanks. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis
<travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. >I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header >bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the >driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket >Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only >replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the >other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after >letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not >even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't >see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere >over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I >could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source >for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust >when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header >gasket. Help!!! Hey, look at what I found: <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing me. Advice, please? Thanks. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis
<travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. >I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header >bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the >driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket >Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only >replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the >other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after >letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not >even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't >see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere >over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I >could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source >for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust >when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header >gasket. Help!!! Hey, look at what I found: <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing me. Advice, please? Thanks. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
I think I just answered my own question. I just now went out in the
garage and was putting my one last good header gasket away when I saw the old blown-out gasket that came with the headers I bought. It also has that dog-leg shaped port to it. Screw it, I'm buying the copper gaskets from Summit that say they're only for a 390/401. I think their product description is just wrong. On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:19:18 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis ><travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: > >>ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. >>I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header >>bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the >>driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket >>Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only >>replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the >>other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after >>letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not >>even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't >>see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere >>over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I >>could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source >>for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust >>when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header >>gasket. Help!!! > >Hey, look at what I found: ><http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> >It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the >same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg >ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each >port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm >wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's >another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... ><http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> >Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? >Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little >bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the >header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped >ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could >use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there >right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper >one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the >link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports >on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round >gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The >inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing >me. Advice, please? Thanks. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
I think I just answered my own question. I just now went out in the
garage and was putting my one last good header gasket away when I saw the old blown-out gasket that came with the headers I bought. It also has that dog-leg shaped port to it. Screw it, I'm buying the copper gaskets from Summit that say they're only for a 390/401. I think their product description is just wrong. On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:19:18 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis ><travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: > >>ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. >>I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header >>bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the >>driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket >>Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only >>replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the >>other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after >>letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not >>even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't >>see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere >>over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I >>could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source >>for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust >>when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header >>gasket. Help!!! > >Hey, look at what I found: ><http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> >It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the >same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg >ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each >port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm >wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's >another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... ><http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> >Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? >Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little >bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the >header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped >ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could >use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there >right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper >one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the >link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports >on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round >gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The >inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing >me. Advice, please? Thanks. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
I think I just answered my own question. I just now went out in the
garage and was putting my one last good header gasket away when I saw the old blown-out gasket that came with the headers I bought. It also has that dog-leg shaped port to it. Screw it, I'm buying the copper gaskets from Summit that say they're only for a 390/401. I think their product description is just wrong. On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:19:18 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: >On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis ><travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: > >>ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. >>I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header >>bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the >>driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket >>Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only >>replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the >>other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after >>letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not >>even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't >>see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere >>over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I >>could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source >>for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust >>when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header >>gasket. Help!!! > >Hey, look at what I found: ><http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> >It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the >same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg >ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each >port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm >wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's >another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... ><http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> >Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? >Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little >bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the >header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped >ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could >use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there >right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper >one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the >link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports >on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round >gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The >inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing >me. Advice, please? Thanks. -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
I would take the header to an engine rebuilding shop and have them put
it on their machine to make it flat again. Headers warp after being installed and sometimes that warp is too big for a normal torque when doing a re-install. Sometimes tightening down the bolt closest to the blowout way over torque will work, but a quick shot on the shop planer can just do wonders for it and is really cheap to have done. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's travis wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis > <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: > > >ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. > >I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header > >bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the > >driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket > >Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only > >replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the > >other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after > >letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not > >even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't > >see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere > >over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I > >could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source > >for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust > >when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header > >gasket. Help!!! > > Hey, look at what I found: > <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> > It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the > same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg > ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each > port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm > wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's > another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... > <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> > Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? > Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little > bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the > header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped > ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could > use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there > right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper > one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the > link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports > on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round > gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The > inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing > me. Advice, please? Thanks. > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
I would take the header to an engine rebuilding shop and have them put
it on their machine to make it flat again. Headers warp after being installed and sometimes that warp is too big for a normal torque when doing a re-install. Sometimes tightening down the bolt closest to the blowout way over torque will work, but a quick shot on the shop planer can just do wonders for it and is really cheap to have done. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's travis wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis > <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: > > >ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. > >I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header > >bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the > >driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket > >Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only > >replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the > >other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after > >letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not > >even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't > >see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere > >over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I > >could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source > >for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust > >when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header > >gasket. Help!!! > > Hey, look at what I found: > <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> > It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the > same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg > ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each > port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm > wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's > another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... > <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> > Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? > Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little > bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the > header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped > ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could > use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there > right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper > one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the > link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports > on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round > gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The > inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing > me. Advice, please? Thanks. > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Source for header gaskets that won't blow out?
I would take the header to an engine rebuilding shop and have them put
it on their machine to make it flat again. Headers warp after being installed and sometimes that warp is too big for a normal torque when doing a re-install. Sometimes tightening down the bolt closest to the blowout way over torque will work, but a quick shot on the shop planer can just do wonders for it and is really cheap to have done. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's travis wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:29:56 -0500, travis > <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> shared the following: > > >ARGH!!! I installed a set of headers on my 304 a couple of weeks ago. > >I used the paper gaskets that came with them and retorqued the header > >bolts after about 20 miles or so of driving. Still the one on the > >driver's side blew out soon afterwards. I bought a set of Mr Gasket > >Ultra Seal header gaskets and (being the el-cheapo that I am) only > >replaced the one on the side that had blown out figuring I'd leave the > >other side alone since it was ok. I retorqued the header bolts after > >letting the engine get hot and then cold again a couple of times. Not > >even 50 miles later the header gasket has blown out again. I don't > >see any deformity in the mating surfaces. I'm told that somewhere > >over the rainbow somebody makes some copper header gaskets that I > >could use that will never ever ever blow out. Anybody have a source > >for these? The Jeep sounds GREAT with the headers and full exhaust > >when it's not FAP! FAP! FAP! FAP! leaking from the blown header > >gasket. Help!!! > > Hey, look at what I found: > <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D111401> > It says it's only for a 390/401, but it looks like it's EXACTLY the > same header gasket I'm using right now... When they say "dog-leg > ports" are they talking about the little bump on on corner of each > port? Most header gaskets I find say they fit the 304/360/401 so I'm > wondering how this one can fit the 401 and not a 304... Here's > another one they sell that says it fits 304/360/401... > <http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HED%2D27850> > Notice how it doesn't have the little bump on the corner of each port? > Hmm... Seems like I could still use the copper gasket with the little > bump thingie...doesn't it? What do y'all think? I'd need to pull the > header again to know if the ports themselves have the dog-leg shaped > ports or if they're just kinda round. Even if they're round I could > use the dog-leg-shaped gasket, right? I mean I have one on there > right now but of course it's blown out... but I'd think the copper > one would be much stronger... And that last gasket that I showed the > link to...how would it work on a 401 if the 401 had the dog-leg ports > on it? The exhaust would just burn through the portion of the round > gasket that covered up the little bump on the corner I guess... The > inconsistency of information I see about these gaskets is confusing > me. Advice, please? Thanks. > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
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