Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

If you are in part time 4x4, your front tires are going to scuff or plow
turning a corner.

My BFG Mud tires are 'way' better than my BFG AT tire in this situation
because the lugs will clear faster.

I find it better to drop to 2 WD at intersections when I need to turn no
matter which Jeep I am driving.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

John Davies wrote:
>
> This post concerns a Full Time 4wd Lexus LX450 (Land Cruiser) but I
> hope I can get some good Jeeply tire advice.
>
> Spokane is getting its first snowfall of the season, and I was
> finally able to try out my MT/Rs in about an inch of fresh and packed
> snow. Up to 4 more inches expected by the end of tomorrow. No ice
> though...
>
> The MT/Rs are siped full depth, 90 degrees across the center lugs
> only. Tread is essentially un-worn. Starting and stopping seems fine.
> It takes a good bit of pedal force to engage the ABS. Directional
> stabilty seems a little low - I feel a lot of tail wagging around
> downhill curves and the front end plows during sharp low speed turns.
> Kicking the tail around with the e-brake is easy, controllable and
> fun. All this leads me to believe a set of good snow tires with multi-
> directional siping is in order.
>
> Has anyone gone from siped MT/Rs to pure winter tires? What results
> did you see? My local Discount Tire dealer has a set of 285/75R16
> Geolander I/T+ winter tires ready and waiting for my US$600. What I
> would like to know is: are the results worth the cash?
>
> http://www.yokohamatire.com/pdf/geoit.pdf
>
> BTW, Spokane gets many light snowfalls during the winter - deep ones
> are rare. Mean snowfall is 41 inches per winter. I don't anticipate
> doing any serious 'wheeling during the winter, but do want to travel
> the mountains safely.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John Davies
> 96 LX450
> Spokane WA USA
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/page2thb.htm

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

If you are in part time 4x4, your front tires are going to scuff or plow
turning a corner.

My BFG Mud tires are 'way' better than my BFG AT tire in this situation
because the lugs will clear faster.

I find it better to drop to 2 WD at intersections when I need to turn no
matter which Jeep I am driving.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

John Davies wrote:
>
> This post concerns a Full Time 4wd Lexus LX450 (Land Cruiser) but I
> hope I can get some good Jeeply tire advice.
>
> Spokane is getting its first snowfall of the season, and I was
> finally able to try out my MT/Rs in about an inch of fresh and packed
> snow. Up to 4 more inches expected by the end of tomorrow. No ice
> though...
>
> The MT/Rs are siped full depth, 90 degrees across the center lugs
> only. Tread is essentially un-worn. Starting and stopping seems fine.
> It takes a good bit of pedal force to engage the ABS. Directional
> stabilty seems a little low - I feel a lot of tail wagging around
> downhill curves and the front end plows during sharp low speed turns.
> Kicking the tail around with the e-brake is easy, controllable and
> fun. All this leads me to believe a set of good snow tires with multi-
> directional siping is in order.
>
> Has anyone gone from siped MT/Rs to pure winter tires? What results
> did you see? My local Discount Tire dealer has a set of 285/75R16
> Geolander I/T+ winter tires ready and waiting for my US$600. What I
> would like to know is: are the results worth the cash?
>
> http://www.yokohamatire.com/pdf/geoit.pdf
>
> BTW, Spokane gets many light snowfalls during the winter - deep ones
> are rare. Mean snowfall is 41 inches per winter. I don't anticipate
> doing any serious 'wheeling during the winter, but do want to travel
> the mountains safely.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John Davies
> 96 LX450
> Spokane WA USA
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/page2thb.htm

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

If you are in part time 4x4, your front tires are going to scuff or plow
turning a corner.

My BFG Mud tires are 'way' better than my BFG AT tire in this situation
because the lugs will clear faster.

I find it better to drop to 2 WD at intersections when I need to turn no
matter which Jeep I am driving.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

John Davies wrote:
>
> This post concerns a Full Time 4wd Lexus LX450 (Land Cruiser) but I
> hope I can get some good Jeeply tire advice.
>
> Spokane is getting its first snowfall of the season, and I was
> finally able to try out my MT/Rs in about an inch of fresh and packed
> snow. Up to 4 more inches expected by the end of tomorrow. No ice
> though...
>
> The MT/Rs are siped full depth, 90 degrees across the center lugs
> only. Tread is essentially un-worn. Starting and stopping seems fine.
> It takes a good bit of pedal force to engage the ABS. Directional
> stabilty seems a little low - I feel a lot of tail wagging around
> downhill curves and the front end plows during sharp low speed turns.
> Kicking the tail around with the e-brake is easy, controllable and
> fun. All this leads me to believe a set of good snow tires with multi-
> directional siping is in order.
>
> Has anyone gone from siped MT/Rs to pure winter tires? What results
> did you see? My local Discount Tire dealer has a set of 285/75R16
> Geolander I/T+ winter tires ready and waiting for my US$600. What I
> would like to know is: are the results worth the cash?
>
> http://www.yokohamatire.com/pdf/geoit.pdf
>
> BTW, Spokane gets many light snowfalls during the winter - deep ones
> are rare. Mean snowfall is 41 inches per winter. I don't anticipate
> doing any serious 'wheeling during the winter, but do want to travel
> the mountains safely.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John Davies
> 96 LX450
> Spokane WA USA
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/page2thb.htm

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

Approximately 11/2/03 07:24, John Davies uttered for posterity:

> This post concerns a Full Time 4wd Lexus LX450 (Land Cruiser) but I
> hope I can get some good Jeeply tire advice.
>
> Spokane is getting its first snowfall of the season, and I was
> finally able to try out my MT/Rs in about an inch of fresh and packed
> snow. Up to 4 more inches expected by the end of tomorrow. No ice
> though...
>
> The MT/Rs are siped full depth, 90 degrees across the center lugs
> only. Tread is essentially un-worn. Starting and stopping seems fine.
> It takes a good bit of pedal force to engage the ABS. Directional
> stabilty seems a little low - I feel a lot of tail wagging around
> downhill curves and the front end plows during sharp low speed turns.
> Kicking the tail around with the e-brake is easy, controllable and
> fun. All this leads me to believe a set of good snow tires with multi-
> directional siping is in order.

More important than the siping is the tread compound, particularly
for mild Spokane type winters. You'll want a hydrophilic
non-hardening compound so it stays flexible and sticky in the
range not too far below freezing. Tread filler material also
helps, the silica filled treads being an example. Too bad
neither the old Blue Blizzard [blue silica filled tread] nor
Conti Contacts are still available, but there are several
brands of similar performance. Studs are really good, but
you probably don't hit enough snow long enough to spend the
money and hassle unless you do hit the mountains.


--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

Approximately 11/2/03 07:24, John Davies uttered for posterity:

> This post concerns a Full Time 4wd Lexus LX450 (Land Cruiser) but I
> hope I can get some good Jeeply tire advice.
>
> Spokane is getting its first snowfall of the season, and I was
> finally able to try out my MT/Rs in about an inch of fresh and packed
> snow. Up to 4 more inches expected by the end of tomorrow. No ice
> though...
>
> The MT/Rs are siped full depth, 90 degrees across the center lugs
> only. Tread is essentially un-worn. Starting and stopping seems fine.
> It takes a good bit of pedal force to engage the ABS. Directional
> stabilty seems a little low - I feel a lot of tail wagging around
> downhill curves and the front end plows during sharp low speed turns.
> Kicking the tail around with the e-brake is easy, controllable and
> fun. All this leads me to believe a set of good snow tires with multi-
> directional siping is in order.

More important than the siping is the tread compound, particularly
for mild Spokane type winters. You'll want a hydrophilic
non-hardening compound so it stays flexible and sticky in the
range not too far below freezing. Tread filler material also
helps, the silica filled treads being an example. Too bad
neither the old Blue Blizzard [blue silica filled tread] nor
Conti Contacts are still available, but there are several
brands of similar performance. Studs are really good, but
you probably don't hit enough snow long enough to spend the
money and hassle unless you do hit the mountains.


--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

Approximately 11/2/03 07:24, John Davies uttered for posterity:

> This post concerns a Full Time 4wd Lexus LX450 (Land Cruiser) but I
> hope I can get some good Jeeply tire advice.
>
> Spokane is getting its first snowfall of the season, and I was
> finally able to try out my MT/Rs in about an inch of fresh and packed
> snow. Up to 4 more inches expected by the end of tomorrow. No ice
> though...
>
> The MT/Rs are siped full depth, 90 degrees across the center lugs
> only. Tread is essentially un-worn. Starting and stopping seems fine.
> It takes a good bit of pedal force to engage the ABS. Directional
> stabilty seems a little low - I feel a lot of tail wagging around
> downhill curves and the front end plows during sharp low speed turns.
> Kicking the tail around with the e-brake is easy, controllable and
> fun. All this leads me to believe a set of good snow tires with multi-
> directional siping is in order.

More important than the siping is the tread compound, particularly
for mild Spokane type winters. You'll want a hydrophilic
non-hardening compound so it stays flexible and sticky in the
range not too far below freezing. Tread filler material also
helps, the silica filled treads being an example. Too bad
neither the old Blue Blizzard [blue silica filled tread] nor
Conti Contacts are still available, but there are several
brands of similar performance. Studs are really good, but
you probably don't hit enough snow long enough to spend the
money and hassle unless you do hit the mountains.


--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:51:13 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>If you are in part time 4x4, your front tires are going to scuff or plow
>turning a corner.

It doesn't have part time - it is full time with a (lockable) viscous
center diff.

John Davies

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:51:13 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>If you are in part time 4x4, your front tires are going to scuff or plow
>turning a corner.

It doesn't have part time - it is full time with a (lockable) viscous
center diff.

John Davies

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:51:13 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>If you are in part time 4x4, your front tires are going to scuff or plow
>turning a corner.

It doesn't have part time - it is full time with a (lockable) viscous
center diff.

John Davies

Re: Siped MT/Rs vs snow tires - comments and questions
 

In article <h9vaqvgm8r9qmd5s2cbts4545gv6lem65s@4ax.com>, John Davies
<johnedavies@comcast.net> writes:

>>If you are in part time 4x4, your front tires are going to scuff or plow
>>turning a corner.
>
>It doesn't have part time - it is full time with a (lockable) viscous
>center diff.

when it's locked it's equivalent to part-time.
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Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html