The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6

Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Outatime wrote:
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Sadly, the article is no more than one would expect from folks that don't understand
it's a Jeep thing. Maby they should test drive that minivan that passed them up. :)

"It started out with little things like the lack of storage space up front and small cupholders"
ah, for chrissakes, pissing over cup holders? I guess the "tiny" cupholder wouldn't fit that
wide-ass-big-gulp-bubbacup... And since when did any Jeep have storage space up front?
Sure doesn't in the ZJ. That's what the back seat is for.

And poor acceleration... well, DUH. 0-60 in 9.7s isn't shabby for a 6cyl and large tires.
And if the passengers were all of the "super sized, mah cup don fit this tiny holder" then
heck, you could cut off two seconds easy. (oh yea.. I'm gonna burn for that comment)

What I wonder is why Jeep didn't put the 545RFE 5 speed transmission in there?
That would sure help acceleration.

--
Doug(always time for another mod)W

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Outatime wrote:
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Sadly, the article is no more than one would expect from folks that don't understand
it's a Jeep thing. Maby they should test drive that minivan that passed them up. :)

"It started out with little things like the lack of storage space up front and small cupholders"
ah, for chrissakes, pissing over cup holders? I guess the "tiny" cupholder wouldn't fit that
wide-ass-big-gulp-bubbacup... And since when did any Jeep have storage space up front?
Sure doesn't in the ZJ. That's what the back seat is for.

And poor acceleration... well, DUH. 0-60 in 9.7s isn't shabby for a 6cyl and large tires.
And if the passengers were all of the "super sized, mah cup don fit this tiny holder" then
heck, you could cut off two seconds easy. (oh yea.. I'm gonna burn for that comment)

What I wonder is why Jeep didn't put the 545RFE 5 speed transmission in there?
That would sure help acceleration.

--
Doug(always time for another mod)W

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Outatime wrote:
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Sadly, the article is no more than one would expect from folks that don't understand
it's a Jeep thing. Maby they should test drive that minivan that passed them up. :)

"It started out with little things like the lack of storage space up front and small cupholders"
ah, for chrissakes, pissing over cup holders? I guess the "tiny" cupholder wouldn't fit that
wide-ass-big-gulp-bubbacup... And since when did any Jeep have storage space up front?
Sure doesn't in the ZJ. That's what the back seat is for.

And poor acceleration... well, DUH. 0-60 in 9.7s isn't shabby for a 6cyl and large tires.
And if the passengers were all of the "super sized, mah cup don fit this tiny holder" then
heck, you could cut off two seconds easy. (oh yea.. I'm gonna burn for that comment)

What I wonder is why Jeep didn't put the 545RFE 5 speed transmission in there?
That would sure help acceleration.

--
Doug(always time for another mod)W

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

'Time's just looking for evidence to back up his prejudices.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:SeO7h.8895$f12.5313@newsfe21.lga...
> Outatime wrote:
>> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>>
>> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
>> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
>
> Sadly, the article is no more than one would expect from folks that don't
> understand
> it's a Jeep thing. Maby they should test drive that minivan that passed
> them up. :)
>
> "It started out with little things like the lack of storage space up front
> and small cupholders"
> ah, for chrissakes, pissing over cup holders? I guess the "tiny"
> cupholder wouldn't fit that
> wide-ass-big-gulp-bubbacup... And since when did any Jeep have storage
> space up front?
> Sure doesn't in the ZJ. That's what the back seat is for.
>
> And poor acceleration... well, DUH. 0-60 in 9.7s isn't shabby for a 6cyl
> and large tires.
> And if the passengers were all of the "super sized, mah cup don fit this
> tiny holder" then
> heck, you could cut off two seconds easy. (oh yea.. I'm gonna burn for
> that comment)
>
> What I wonder is why Jeep didn't put the 545RFE 5 speed transmission in
> there?
> That would sure help acceleration.
>
> --
> Doug(always time for another mod)W
>

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

'Time's just looking for evidence to back up his prejudices.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:SeO7h.8895$f12.5313@newsfe21.lga...
> Outatime wrote:
>> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>>
>> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
>> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
>
> Sadly, the article is no more than one would expect from folks that don't
> understand
> it's a Jeep thing. Maby they should test drive that minivan that passed
> them up. :)
>
> "It started out with little things like the lack of storage space up front
> and small cupholders"
> ah, for chrissakes, pissing over cup holders? I guess the "tiny"
> cupholder wouldn't fit that
> wide-ass-big-gulp-bubbacup... And since when did any Jeep have storage
> space up front?
> Sure doesn't in the ZJ. That's what the back seat is for.
>
> And poor acceleration... well, DUH. 0-60 in 9.7s isn't shabby for a 6cyl
> and large tires.
> And if the passengers were all of the "super sized, mah cup don fit this
> tiny holder" then
> heck, you could cut off two seconds easy. (oh yea.. I'm gonna burn for
> that comment)
>
> What I wonder is why Jeep didn't put the 545RFE 5 speed transmission in
> there?
> That would sure help acceleration.
>
> --
> Doug(always time for another mod)W
>

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

'Time's just looking for evidence to back up his prejudices.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:SeO7h.8895$f12.5313@newsfe21.lga...
> Outatime wrote:
>> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>>
>> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
>> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.
>
> Sadly, the article is no more than one would expect from folks that don't
> understand
> it's a Jeep thing. Maby they should test drive that minivan that passed
> them up. :)
>
> "It started out with little things like the lack of storage space up front
> and small cupholders"
> ah, for chrissakes, pissing over cup holders? I guess the "tiny"
> cupholder wouldn't fit that
> wide-ass-big-gulp-bubbacup... And since when did any Jeep have storage
> space up front?
> Sure doesn't in the ZJ. That's what the back seat is for.
>
> And poor acceleration... well, DUH. 0-60 in 9.7s isn't shabby for a 6cyl
> and large tires.
> And if the passengers were all of the "super sized, mah cup don fit this
> tiny holder" then
> heck, you could cut off two seconds easy. (oh yea.. I'm gonna burn for
> that comment)
>
> What I wonder is why Jeep didn't put the 545RFE 5 speed transmission in
> there?
> That would sure help acceleration.
>
> --
> Doug(always time for another mod)W
>

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Final paragraph from the review:

"Still, it's far more livable than any Wrangler before it. If you're willing
to trade refinement and power for agility on the trail and a convertible
top, the Unlimited may be worth the dough. After nearly a full day behind
the wheel we're convinced of two things: The Jeep Wrangler will remain a
niche player, and we'll never rely on a photographer to make our travel
plans ever again."

Compared to a Toyota Avalon, they didn't like it. But who takes an Avalon on
the trail?

Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
starting to look like you might be obsessing.

In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking something
over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy it after
you've actually driven one yourself?

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Final paragraph from the review:

"Still, it's far more livable than any Wrangler before it. If you're willing
to trade refinement and power for agility on the trail and a convertible
top, the Unlimited may be worth the dough. After nearly a full day behind
the wheel we're convinced of two things: The Jeep Wrangler will remain a
niche player, and we'll never rely on a photographer to make our travel
plans ever again."

Compared to a Toyota Avalon, they didn't like it. But who takes an Avalon on
the trail?

Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
starting to look like you might be obsessing.

In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking something
over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy it after
you've actually driven one yourself?

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Final paragraph from the review:

"Still, it's far more livable than any Wrangler before it. If you're willing
to trade refinement and power for agility on the trail and a convertible
top, the Unlimited may be worth the dough. After nearly a full day behind
the wheel we're convinced of two things: The Jeep Wrangler will remain a
niche player, and we'll never rely on a photographer to make our travel
plans ever again."

Compared to a Toyota Avalon, they didn't like it. But who takes an Avalon on
the trail?

Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
starting to look like you might be obsessing.

In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking something
over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy it after
you've actually driven one yourself?

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Outatime wrote:
>
> Edmund's

Edmunds? I can see it now: "when heel-toeing around the Chicane in our
test course I felt the new Wrangler had excessive body roll, while
understeer was made itself _incredibly_ obvious every time I attempted a
2G decreasing radius corner at the Jeeps top speed of 96.5 MPH".

If they got no mud or dirt on it during the test, then their opinion
means squat... Whats more even if they did get it dirty, if they didn't
DAMAGE it then I'm not impressed with the criteria they are using to
judge it by.

BTW JP mag's review Rolled one in AFRICA, tipped it back over and kept
going.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Outatime wrote:
>
> Edmund's

Edmunds? I can see it now: "when heel-toeing around the Chicane in our
test course I felt the new Wrangler had excessive body roll, while
understeer was made itself _incredibly_ obvious every time I attempted a
2G decreasing radius corner at the Jeeps top speed of 96.5 MPH".

If they got no mud or dirt on it during the test, then their opinion
means squat... Whats more even if they did get it dirty, if they didn't
DAMAGE it then I'm not impressed with the criteria they are using to
judge it by.

BTW JP mag's review Rolled one in AFRICA, tipped it back over and kept
going.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Outatime wrote:
>
> Edmund's

Edmunds? I can see it now: "when heel-toeing around the Chicane in our
test course I felt the new Wrangler had excessive body roll, while
understeer was made itself _incredibly_ obvious every time I attempted a
2G decreasing radius corner at the Jeeps top speed of 96.5 MPH".

If they got no mud or dirt on it during the test, then their opinion
means squat... Whats more even if they did get it dirty, if they didn't
DAMAGE it then I'm not impressed with the criteria they are using to
judge it by.

BTW JP mag's review Rolled one in AFRICA, tipped it back over and kept
going.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
> starting to look like you might be obsessing.

Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
while checking the value of my TJL.

> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking something
> over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy it after
> you've actually driven one yourself?

Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
seat and got it down the road. Now that I think about it, there's a
construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.

I'll get back to you.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
> starting to look like you might be obsessing.

Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
while checking the value of my TJL.

> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking something
> over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy it after
> you've actually driven one yourself?

Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
seat and got it down the road. Now that I think about it, there's a
construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.

I'll get back to you.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
> starting to look like you might be obsessing.

Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
while checking the value of my TJL.

> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking something
> over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy it after
> you've actually driven one yourself?

Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
seat and got it down the road. Now that I think about it, there's a
construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.

I'll get back to you.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Edmunds did point out some the great off-road abilities of the new Wrangler
in these two paragraphs:

"Saying the Wrangler made the trail easy might be putting it lightly.
Tackling the Rubicon requires a good spotter, Gandhi-like patience and the
right vehicle, and we only had two out of three. The Wrangler made up for it
with more than 10 inches of ground clearance, multiple skid plates and
class-leading approach and departure angles. Throw in the new electronic
throttle control system, which reduces pedal sensitivity in 4-low, and
maintaining a smooth pace up tough sections like Cadillac Hill was.well,
easy."

and...

"Since there will be inevitable comparisons between the Wrangler's off-road
abilities and other trail-hungry SUVs like the Hummer H3, Nissan Xterra and
Toyota FJ Cruiser we'll settle it right now. Any of the four could tackle
the Rubicon, but none would do it as easily and with less body damage than a
Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon."

Tom

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
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>
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Edmunds did point out some the great off-road abilities of the new Wrangler
in these two paragraphs:

"Saying the Wrangler made the trail easy might be putting it lightly.
Tackling the Rubicon requires a good spotter, Gandhi-like patience and the
right vehicle, and we only had two out of three. The Wrangler made up for it
with more than 10 inches of ground clearance, multiple skid plates and
class-leading approach and departure angles. Throw in the new electronic
throttle control system, which reduces pedal sensitivity in 4-low, and
maintaining a smooth pace up tough sections like Cadillac Hill was.well,
easy."

and...

"Since there will be inevitable comparisons between the Wrangler's off-road
abilities and other trail-hungry SUVs like the Hummer H3, Nissan Xterra and
Toyota FJ Cruiser we'll settle it right now. Any of the four could tackle
the Rubicon, but none would do it as easily and with less body damage than a
Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon."

Tom

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
>
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

Edmunds did point out some the great off-road abilities of the new Wrangler
in these two paragraphs:

"Saying the Wrangler made the trail easy might be putting it lightly.
Tackling the Rubicon requires a good spotter, Gandhi-like patience and the
right vehicle, and we only had two out of three. The Wrangler made up for it
with more than 10 inches of ground clearance, multiple skid plates and
class-leading approach and departure angles. Throw in the new electronic
throttle control system, which reduces pedal sensitivity in 4-low, and
maintaining a smooth pace up tough sections like Cadillac Hill was.well,
easy."

and...

"Since there will be inevitable comparisons between the Wrangler's off-road
abilities and other trail-hungry SUVs like the Hummer H3, Nissan Xterra and
Toyota FJ Cruiser we'll settle it right now. Any of the four could tackle
the Rubicon, but none would do it as easily and with less body damage than a
Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon."

Tom

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
>
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>
> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
> while checking the value of my TJL.

If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
off-road-capable vehicles.

>
>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy
>> it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>
> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
> seat and got it down the road.

Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?

Now that I think about it, there's a
> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and 20-25
> ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>
> I'll get back to you.

Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
your trespassing citation.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>
> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
> while checking the value of my TJL.

If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
off-road-capable vehicles.

>
>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy
>> it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>
> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
> seat and got it down the road.

Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?

Now that I think about it, there's a
> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and 20-25
> ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>
> I'll get back to you.

Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
your trespassing citation.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>
> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
> while checking the value of my TJL.

If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
off-road-capable vehicles.

>
>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not buy
>> it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>
> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
> seat and got it down the road.

Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?

Now that I think about it, there's a
> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and 20-25
> ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>
> I'll get back to you.

Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
your trespassing citation.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

To keep things in perspective, here's Edmund's review of your TJL. Looks
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:0JidnboBT7HN-P3YnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

To keep things in perspective, here's Edmund's review of your TJL. Looks
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:0JidnboBT7HN-P3YnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

To keep things in perspective, here's Edmund's review of your TJL. Looks
like they didn't like that one either, using your criteria.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...4/pageNumber=1

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:0JidnboBT7HN-P3YnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:A6qdncemn_74csLYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> Better to say YOU don't like it and you're looking for backers. It's
>>> starting to look like you might be obsessing.
>>
>> Not looking for validation, just happened to stumble over this review
>> while checking the value of my TJL.
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for
> only negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the
> fact that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.
>
>>
>>> In the real world, smart people make up their mind after looking
>>> something over for themselves. Why don't you make up your mind to not
>>> buy it after you've actually driven one yourself?
>>
>> Good point. I'm heading over to the local dealer tomorrow anyway to
>> test-drive an 07 PT cruiser anyway, and I know they still have an
>> Unlimited sitting out front. I've bought cars that looked like crap on
>> paper but I thought were outstanding once I actually put my butt in the
>> seat and got it down the road.
>
> Sounds reasonable, but I'm puzzled; how come up to this point you've
> forgotten what you have learned from your own experience?
>
> Now that I think about it, there's a
>> construction site just up from the dealership with plenty of mud and
>> 20-25 ft. berms that would be perfect for a proper shake-out.
>>
>> I'll get back to you.
>
> Look forward to it, but don't look to me to pay for the paint scratches or
> your trespassing citation.
>

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

I'll start this off by saying that I haven't driven one...

The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.

I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.



"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

I'll start this off by saying that I haven't driven one...

The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.

I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.



"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

I'll start this off by saying that I haven't driven one...

The review specifically mentions the 0-60 speed of 9.7 seconds as
'laziness'.

I have an '02 WJ with the 4 liter I-6 which, according to WJ Jeeps, does
0-60 in 9.5, 10.1, or 10.9 seconds. While my WJ does not hold a candle to
other fire breathing vehicle I've owned I never considered it 'lazy', its
performance, in my opinion, is adequate for the function it performs and the
driving I do. If I lived in the mountains, routinely towed 5000 pound
trailers, or needed it to impress my homies or yuppie acquaintances I might
feel differently.



"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:l-ednSJ4CrfbPcLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@softcom.net...
> http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#6
>
> Edmund's reviewers didn't like the new Unlimited at all. Interesting
> read. And apparently, the new V-6 engine was a real disappointment.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

And of course, like Consumer Reports, whom paid them the most.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
> negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
> that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

And of course, like Consumer Reports, whom paid them the most.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
> negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
> that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.

Re: The reviews are in and they're not good.
 

And of course, like Consumer Reports, whom paid them the most.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> If you had bothered to read the entire review instead of searching for only
> negatives you would have noticed that their gripes were based on the fact
> that they were used to driving hi-performance road cars, not
> off-road-capable vehicles.