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Mat and Suzy 11-11-2003 08:42 PM

Remote starters
 
I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.

Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
"basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
$170. Ridiculous.

Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
instructions, then maybe.

Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
this?

TIA

Mat





belowme 11-11-2003 09:11 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
I don't have specific experience on Jeep products. I am a GM dealer tech,
and I can tell you that we remove a multitude of these things, for a variety
of problems. Foremost, they tap into the ignition circuits with scotch
locks and destroy the harness. Secondly, any security system that is
factory installed has to pass through this aftermarket black box to make the
car start, and the tiniest amount of voltage drop will cause the car to not
start at all. I strongly recommend against the installation of these
things. I live in New England, I know it is cold. Suck it up, go out and
start your car in the driveway, come back in and enjoy a cup of joe, and go
to your car in 15 minutes with the heat blowin.

Jerry


"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in

MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to

cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they

said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe

it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems.

Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some

good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine

on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat
>
>
>
>




belowme 11-11-2003 09:11 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
I don't have specific experience on Jeep products. I am a GM dealer tech,
and I can tell you that we remove a multitude of these things, for a variety
of problems. Foremost, they tap into the ignition circuits with scotch
locks and destroy the harness. Secondly, any security system that is
factory installed has to pass through this aftermarket black box to make the
car start, and the tiniest amount of voltage drop will cause the car to not
start at all. I strongly recommend against the installation of these
things. I live in New England, I know it is cold. Suck it up, go out and
start your car in the driveway, come back in and enjoy a cup of joe, and go
to your car in 15 minutes with the heat blowin.

Jerry


"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in

MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to

cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they

said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe

it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems.

Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some

good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine

on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat
>
>
>
>




belowme 11-11-2003 09:11 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
I don't have specific experience on Jeep products. I am a GM dealer tech,
and I can tell you that we remove a multitude of these things, for a variety
of problems. Foremost, they tap into the ignition circuits with scotch
locks and destroy the harness. Secondly, any security system that is
factory installed has to pass through this aftermarket black box to make the
car start, and the tiniest amount of voltage drop will cause the car to not
start at all. I strongly recommend against the installation of these
things. I live in New England, I know it is cold. Suck it up, go out and
start your car in the driveway, come back in and enjoy a cup of joe, and go
to your car in 15 minutes with the heat blowin.

Jerry


"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in

MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to

cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they

said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe

it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems.

Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some

good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine

on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat
>
>
>
>




DougW 11-11-2003 09:41 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Mat and Suzy did pass the time by typing:
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.


For 93 - 99 I could help, but they changed too much in the WJ (2000-)

I use a Clifford system (fairly expensive but includes rollup windows, remote
start, and alarm) The newer ones also feature feedback so the vehicle can
page you. Professional installation is highly recommended.

At any rate, a remote start will splice into the harness in several locations.
Any connections made to the start/run power leads need to be soldered or properly
crimped. Don't use the blue scotchlock/taps, they will not handle the power draw.

Your largest problem will be bypassing the vehicles built-in security system
and smart/passkey if you have it.

One thing to remember. When a licensed dealer installs the alarm you get the
full warrantee. With the Clifford the warrantee went from 5year to 30day if the
installer doesn't do the work.


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors



DougW 11-11-2003 09:41 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Mat and Suzy did pass the time by typing:
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.


For 93 - 99 I could help, but they changed too much in the WJ (2000-)

I use a Clifford system (fairly expensive but includes rollup windows, remote
start, and alarm) The newer ones also feature feedback so the vehicle can
page you. Professional installation is highly recommended.

At any rate, a remote start will splice into the harness in several locations.
Any connections made to the start/run power leads need to be soldered or properly
crimped. Don't use the blue scotchlock/taps, they will not handle the power draw.

Your largest problem will be bypassing the vehicles built-in security system
and smart/passkey if you have it.

One thing to remember. When a licensed dealer installs the alarm you get the
full warrantee. With the Clifford the warrantee went from 5year to 30day if the
installer doesn't do the work.


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors



DougW 11-11-2003 09:41 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Mat and Suzy did pass the time by typing:
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.


For 93 - 99 I could help, but they changed too much in the WJ (2000-)

I use a Clifford system (fairly expensive but includes rollup windows, remote
start, and alarm) The newer ones also feature feedback so the vehicle can
page you. Professional installation is highly recommended.

At any rate, a remote start will splice into the harness in several locations.
Any connections made to the start/run power leads need to be soldered or properly
crimped. Don't use the blue scotchlock/taps, they will not handle the power draw.

Your largest problem will be bypassing the vehicles built-in security system
and smart/passkey if you have it.

One thing to remember. When a licensed dealer installs the alarm you get the
full warrantee. With the Clifford the warrantee went from 5year to 30day if the
installer doesn't do the work.


--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors



Mark12211 11-11-2003 11:03 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Best buy sells warranties, and oh sometimes they sell electronics. If you ask
what that $250 includes, it'll include all the add on stuff they want you to
buy.... upgraded remote starter, warranty, Rewards program, etc.... It's a
sales technique call 'softening the blow'. Let you know ahead of time how much
it's going to cost, that way it's easier to upsell you more (higher margin)
stuff. (higher margin = bigger spiff) Trick is to say no to upselling. Or, go
to a local Stereo place that will sell you and install it for $150 if you feel
uncomfortable saying no to the folks at Best Buy.

-Mark

_____
,[_____],¯|\
-©|||||||©--|¯¯|¯¯|
(_( ¯¯¯ (_()¯¯ (_()
'89 YJ

Mark12211 11-11-2003 11:03 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Best buy sells warranties, and oh sometimes they sell electronics. If you ask
what that $250 includes, it'll include all the add on stuff they want you to
buy.... upgraded remote starter, warranty, Rewards program, etc.... It's a
sales technique call 'softening the blow'. Let you know ahead of time how much
it's going to cost, that way it's easier to upsell you more (higher margin)
stuff. (higher margin = bigger spiff) Trick is to say no to upselling. Or, go
to a local Stereo place that will sell you and install it for $150 if you feel
uncomfortable saying no to the folks at Best Buy.

-Mark

_____
,[_____],¯|\
-©|||||||©--|¯¯|¯¯|
(_( ¯¯¯ (_()¯¯ (_()
'89 YJ

Mark12211 11-11-2003 11:03 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Best buy sells warranties, and oh sometimes they sell electronics. If you ask
what that $250 includes, it'll include all the add on stuff they want you to
buy.... upgraded remote starter, warranty, Rewards program, etc.... It's a
sales technique call 'softening the blow'. Let you know ahead of time how much
it's going to cost, that way it's easier to upsell you more (higher margin)
stuff. (higher margin = bigger spiff) Trick is to say no to upselling. Or, go
to a local Stereo place that will sell you and install it for $150 if you feel
uncomfortable saying no to the folks at Best Buy.

-Mark

_____
,[_____],¯|\
-©|||||||©--|¯¯|¯¯|
(_( ¯¯¯ (_()¯¯ (_()
'89 YJ

FrankW 11-12-2003 07:17 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
I guess I have to agree
I installed a remote starter in my 01TJ when I first bought
it new. Yes I love it, but it does hack into the harness.
Just yesterday the fricken thing quit working properly
I went back to the installer and was lucky because
the warrenty was run out but they fixed/replaced it anyway.
The "brain" as they call it failed.
So I'm guesing these units are NOT robust enough
to withstand the harsh automotive enviroment
therefore I predict this second unit will eventually fail
again. And I do not intent to spend more money
if the warrenty won't take care of it.
BUT when it does work, They're great.

belowme wrote:
> I don't have specific experience on Jeep products. I am a GM dealer tech,
> and I can tell you that we remove a multitude of these things, for a variety
> of problems. Foremost, they tap into the ignition circuits with scotch
> locks and destroy the harness. Secondly, any security system that is
> factory installed has to pass through this aftermarket black box to make the
> car start, and the tiniest amount of voltage drop will cause the car to not
> start at all. I strongly recommend against the installation of these
> things. I live in New England, I know it is cold. Suck it up, go out and
> start your car in the driveway, come back in and enjoy a cup of joe, and go
> to your car in 15 minutes with the heat blowin.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in

>
> MN.
>
>>Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to

>
> cover
>
>>"basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
>>installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they

>
> said
>
>>$170. Ridiculous.
>>
>>Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe

>
> it
>
>>is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
>>electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems.

>
> Bit
>
>>nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some

>
> good
>
>>instructions, then maybe.
>>
>>Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine

>
> on
>
>>this?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Mat
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>



FrankW 11-12-2003 07:17 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
I guess I have to agree
I installed a remote starter in my 01TJ when I first bought
it new. Yes I love it, but it does hack into the harness.
Just yesterday the fricken thing quit working properly
I went back to the installer and was lucky because
the warrenty was run out but they fixed/replaced it anyway.
The "brain" as they call it failed.
So I'm guesing these units are NOT robust enough
to withstand the harsh automotive enviroment
therefore I predict this second unit will eventually fail
again. And I do not intent to spend more money
if the warrenty won't take care of it.
BUT when it does work, They're great.

belowme wrote:
> I don't have specific experience on Jeep products. I am a GM dealer tech,
> and I can tell you that we remove a multitude of these things, for a variety
> of problems. Foremost, they tap into the ignition circuits with scotch
> locks and destroy the harness. Secondly, any security system that is
> factory installed has to pass through this aftermarket black box to make the
> car start, and the tiniest amount of voltage drop will cause the car to not
> start at all. I strongly recommend against the installation of these
> things. I live in New England, I know it is cold. Suck it up, go out and
> start your car in the driveway, come back in and enjoy a cup of joe, and go
> to your car in 15 minutes with the heat blowin.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in

>
> MN.
>
>>Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to

>
> cover
>
>>"basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
>>installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they

>
> said
>
>>$170. Ridiculous.
>>
>>Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe

>
> it
>
>>is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
>>electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems.

>
> Bit
>
>>nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some

>
> good
>
>>instructions, then maybe.
>>
>>Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine

>
> on
>
>>this?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Mat
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>



FrankW 11-12-2003 07:17 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
I guess I have to agree
I installed a remote starter in my 01TJ when I first bought
it new. Yes I love it, but it does hack into the harness.
Just yesterday the fricken thing quit working properly
I went back to the installer and was lucky because
the warrenty was run out but they fixed/replaced it anyway.
The "brain" as they call it failed.
So I'm guesing these units are NOT robust enough
to withstand the harsh automotive enviroment
therefore I predict this second unit will eventually fail
again. And I do not intent to spend more money
if the warrenty won't take care of it.
BUT when it does work, They're great.

belowme wrote:
> I don't have specific experience on Jeep products. I am a GM dealer tech,
> and I can tell you that we remove a multitude of these things, for a variety
> of problems. Foremost, they tap into the ignition circuits with scotch
> locks and destroy the harness. Secondly, any security system that is
> factory installed has to pass through this aftermarket black box to make the
> car start, and the tiniest amount of voltage drop will cause the car to not
> start at all. I strongly recommend against the installation of these
> things. I live in New England, I know it is cold. Suck it up, go out and
> start your car in the driveway, come back in and enjoy a cup of joe, and go
> to your car in 15 minutes with the heat blowin.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in

>
> MN.
>
>>Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to

>
> cover
>
>>"basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
>>installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they

>
> said
>
>>$170. Ridiculous.
>>
>>Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe

>
> it
>
>>is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
>>electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems.

>
> Bit
>
>>nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some

>
> good
>
>>instructions, then maybe.
>>
>>Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine

>
> on
>
>>this?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Mat
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>



nathan 11-12-2003 11:10 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
When I was 16 and living in Alaska, I had a '74 VW bug. I developed a
system that worked great using a portable heater and a plant timer. I
had an extension cord out to my bug running the heater. I set the
timer to go off an hour before I needed to get in the car. It was nice
and toasty when I got in and the snow was completely melted off all
the windows.

Nathan
98 XJ

gloves help

"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat


nathan 11-12-2003 11:10 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
When I was 16 and living in Alaska, I had a '74 VW bug. I developed a
system that worked great using a portable heater and a plant timer. I
had an extension cord out to my bug running the heater. I set the
timer to go off an hour before I needed to get in the car. It was nice
and toasty when I got in and the snow was completely melted off all
the windows.

Nathan
98 XJ

gloves help

"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat


nathan 11-12-2003 11:10 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
When I was 16 and living in Alaska, I had a '74 VW bug. I developed a
system that worked great using a portable heater and a plant timer. I
had an extension cord out to my bug running the heater. I set the
timer to go off an hour before I needed to get in the car. It was nice
and toasty when I got in and the snow was completely melted off all
the windows.

Nathan
98 XJ

gloves help

"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat


Clem albright 11-12-2003 11:42 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
Go to bulldogsecurity.com. The sell remote starters, along with
T-harnesses (no splicing) for almost every application imaginable.
I've installed 2 of their systems, with no complaints. Call their tech
guys to make sure you don't need the security bypass module.

Clem


"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat


Clem albright 11-12-2003 11:42 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
Go to bulldogsecurity.com. The sell remote starters, along with
T-harnesses (no splicing) for almost every application imaginable.
I've installed 2 of their systems, with no complaints. Call their tech
guys to make sure you don't need the security bypass module.

Clem


"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat


Clem albright 11-12-2003 11:42 AM

Re: Remote starters
 
Go to bulldogsecurity.com. The sell remote starters, along with
T-harnesses (no splicing) for almost every application imaginable.
I've installed 2 of their systems, with no complaints. Call their tech
guys to make sure you don't need the security bypass module.

Clem


"Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-12-2003 04:14 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Bummer. I hope it wasn't my local manufacturer:
http://viper.com/security/access/siren.asp That hasn't moved to China,
yet.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

FrankW wrote:
>
> I guess I have to agree
> I installed a remote starter in my 01TJ when I first bought
> it new. Yes I love it, but it does hack into the harness.
> Just yesterday the fricken thing quit working properly
> I went back to the installer and was lucky because
> the warrenty was run out but they fixed/replaced it anyway.
> The "brain" as they call it failed.
> So I'm guesing these units are NOT robust enough
> to withstand the harsh automotive enviroment
> therefore I predict this second unit will eventually fail
> again. And I do not intent to spend more money
> if the warrenty won't take care of it.
> BUT when it does work, They're great.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-12-2003 04:14 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Bummer. I hope it wasn't my local manufacturer:
http://viper.com/security/access/siren.asp That hasn't moved to China,
yet.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

FrankW wrote:
>
> I guess I have to agree
> I installed a remote starter in my 01TJ when I first bought
> it new. Yes I love it, but it does hack into the harness.
> Just yesterday the fricken thing quit working properly
> I went back to the installer and was lucky because
> the warrenty was run out but they fixed/replaced it anyway.
> The "brain" as they call it failed.
> So I'm guesing these units are NOT robust enough
> to withstand the harsh automotive enviroment
> therefore I predict this second unit will eventually fail
> again. And I do not intent to spend more money
> if the warrenty won't take care of it.
> BUT when it does work, They're great.


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-12-2003 04:14 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
Bummer. I hope it wasn't my local manufacturer:
http://viper.com/security/access/siren.asp That hasn't moved to China,
yet.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

FrankW wrote:
>
> I guess I have to agree
> I installed a remote starter in my 01TJ when I first bought
> it new. Yes I love it, but it does hack into the harness.
> Just yesterday the fricken thing quit working properly
> I went back to the installer and was lucky because
> the warrenty was run out but they fixed/replaced it anyway.
> The "brain" as they call it failed.
> So I'm guesing these units are NOT robust enough
> to withstand the harsh automotive enviroment
> therefore I predict this second unit will eventually fail
> again. And I do not intent to spend more money
> if the warrenty won't take care of it.
> BUT when it does work, They're great.


mic canic 11-16-2003 06:07 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
find someone that sells the your valet system made by directed electronics and
make sure they solder all connections less fire hazard from loose wires
if you have a skim key system it will cost more to bypass the system and that
also means anyone who stakes out your jeep and see you using the remote start
knows the can steal the jeep once they bust into it

Mat and Suzy wrote:

> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat



mic canic 11-16-2003 06:07 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
find someone that sells the your valet system made by directed electronics and
make sure they solder all connections less fire hazard from loose wires
if you have a skim key system it will cost more to bypass the system and that
also means anyone who stakes out your jeep and see you using the remote start
knows the can steal the jeep once they bust into it

Mat and Suzy wrote:

> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat



mic canic 11-16-2003 06:07 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
find someone that sells the your valet system made by directed electronics and
make sure they solder all connections less fire hazard from loose wires
if you have a skim key system it will cost more to bypass the system and that
also means anyone who stakes out your jeep and see you using the remote start
knows the can steal the jeep once they bust into it

Mat and Suzy wrote:

> I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
>
> Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> $170. Ridiculous.
>
> Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> instructions, then maybe.
>
> Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Mat



mic canic 11-16-2003 06:12 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
buldog remote starts are junk

Clem albright wrote:

> Go to bulldogsecurity.com. The sell remote starters, along with
> T-harnesses (no splicing) for almost every application imaginable.
> I've installed 2 of their systems, with no complaints. Call their tech
> guys to make sure you don't need the security bypass module.
>
> Clem
>
> "Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> > I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
> >
> > Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> > "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> > installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> > $170. Ridiculous.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> > is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> > electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> > nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> > instructions, then maybe.
> >
> > Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> > this?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Mat



mic canic 11-16-2003 06:12 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
buldog remote starts are junk

Clem albright wrote:

> Go to bulldogsecurity.com. The sell remote starters, along with
> T-harnesses (no splicing) for almost every application imaginable.
> I've installed 2 of their systems, with no complaints. Call their tech
> guys to make sure you don't need the security bypass module.
>
> Clem
>
> "Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> > I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
> >
> > Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> > "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> > installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> > $170. Ridiculous.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> > is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> > electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> > nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> > instructions, then maybe.
> >
> > Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> > this?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Mat



mic canic 11-16-2003 06:12 PM

Re: Remote starters
 
buldog remote starts are junk

Clem albright wrote:

> Go to bulldogsecurity.com. The sell remote starters, along with
> T-harnesses (no splicing) for almost every application imaginable.
> I've installed 2 of their systems, with no complaints. Call their tech
> guys to make sure you don't need the security bypass module.
>
> Clem
>
> "Mat and Suzy" <watson5737REMOVE@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3bgsb.24387$M02.8695@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> > I need one for my 2000 Cherokee. I hate getting into a cold car here in MN.
> >
> > Best Buy have a couple to choose from for ~$150. This is supposed to cover
> > "basic installation". When pressed, their estimate for additional
> > installation costs was $250-300. Then I tried another branch and they said
> > $170. Ridiculous.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience of installing these things? I can't believe it
> > is that difficult. I would describe myself as a semi-competent auto
> > electician - plenty of experience of fitting radios and alarm systems. Bit
> > nervous about touching wires related to the ignition, but if I had some good
> > instructions, then maybe.
> >
> > Best Buy reckon the Jeep is a "nightmare" installation. Can anyone opine on
> > this?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Mat




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