Reliability
 

Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
reliability and cost of repair.

"Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92, and
41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty Direct
said. "


Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal failure
??
Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of parts
in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read this
and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Reliability
 

Hi Dave,
Sorry this is a bit OT but about a month ago I was asking
about safety recalls and you asked me to let you know how I got on.

Well, I phoned my local dealer (Cannon Lane) and they took it in two
days later! all out standing work was completed and not a penny spent
by me!

Hope this helps you out.

Regards,

Johnny Kebab

Re: Reliability
 

Hi Dave,
Sorry this is a bit OT but about a month ago I was asking
about safety recalls and you asked me to let you know how I got on.

Well, I phoned my local dealer (Cannon Lane) and they took it in two
days later! all out standing work was completed and not a penny spent
by me!

Hope this helps you out.

Regards,

Johnny Kebab

Re: Reliability
 

Hi Dave,
Sorry this is a bit OT but about a month ago I was asking
about safety recalls and you asked me to let you know how I got on.

Well, I phoned my local dealer (Cannon Lane) and they took it in two
days later! all out standing work was completed and not a penny spent
by me!

Hope this helps you out.

Regards,

Johnny Kebab

Re: Reliability
 

axle and pinion seal failure? Ive had a noise coming from the rear end of my tj
on and off for a long time now... i took it to the dealer and they couldnt find
anything wrong with it... i just assumed it had to do with the trac lock( which
im not even sure is working anymore btw) any chance that there is some common
jeep ailment effecting it? thanks.

Re: Reliability
 

axle and pinion seal failure? Ive had a noise coming from the rear end of my tj
on and off for a long time now... i took it to the dealer and they couldnt find
anything wrong with it... i just assumed it had to do with the trac lock( which
im not even sure is working anymore btw) any chance that there is some common
jeep ailment effecting it? thanks.

Re: Reliability
 

axle and pinion seal failure? Ive had a noise coming from the rear end of my tj
on and off for a long time now... i took it to the dealer and they couldnt find
anything wrong with it... i just assumed it had to do with the trac lock( which
im not even sure is working anymore btw) any chance that there is some common
jeep ailment effecting it? thanks.

Re: Reliability
 

Good news ; I'll see if I have any outstanding !
Dave

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Johnny Kebab" <jsucksmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ce8aac26.0403010723.3e936582@posting.google.c om...
> Hi Dave,
> Sorry this is a bit OT but about a month ago I was asking
> about safety recalls and you asked me to let you know how I got on.
>
> Well, I phoned my local dealer (Cannon Lane) and they took it in two
> days later! all out standing work was completed and not a penny spent
> by me!
>
> Hope this helps you out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Johnny Kebab

Re: Reliability
 

Good news ; I'll see if I have any outstanding !
Dave

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Johnny Kebab" <jsucksmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ce8aac26.0403010723.3e936582@posting.google.c om...
> Hi Dave,
> Sorry this is a bit OT but about a month ago I was asking
> about safety recalls and you asked me to let you know how I got on.
>
> Well, I phoned my local dealer (Cannon Lane) and they took it in two
> days later! all out standing work was completed and not a penny spent
> by me!
>
> Hope this helps you out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Johnny Kebab

Re: Reliability
 

Good news ; I'll see if I have any outstanding !
Dave

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Johnny Kebab" <jsucksmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ce8aac26.0403010723.3e936582@posting.google.c om...
> Hi Dave,
> Sorry this is a bit OT but about a month ago I was asking
> about safety recalls and you asked me to let you know how I got on.
>
> Well, I phoned my local dealer (Cannon Lane) and they took it in two
> days later! all out standing work was completed and not a penny spent
> by me!
>
> Hope this helps you out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Johnny Kebab

Re: Reliability
 

if its a seal failure, you will see the seepage on the back of your wheel
(axle seal) or at the
back of your diff (pinion seal). What sort of noise do you get ? Is it
lifted ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Waveblast9" <waveblast9@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040301115015.20524.00000700@mb-m28.aol.com...
> axle and pinion seal failure? Ive had a noise coming from the rear end of
my tj
> on and off for a long time now... i took it to the dealer and they couldnt
find
> anything wrong with it... i just assumed it had to do with the trac
lock( which
> im not even sure is working anymore btw) any chance that there is some
common
> jeep ailment effecting it? thanks.

Re: Reliability
 

if its a seal failure, you will see the seepage on the back of your wheel
(axle seal) or at the
back of your diff (pinion seal). What sort of noise do you get ? Is it
lifted ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Waveblast9" <waveblast9@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040301115015.20524.00000700@mb-m28.aol.com...
> axle and pinion seal failure? Ive had a noise coming from the rear end of
my tj
> on and off for a long time now... i took it to the dealer and they couldnt
find
> anything wrong with it... i just assumed it had to do with the trac
lock( which
> im not even sure is working anymore btw) any chance that there is some
common
> jeep ailment effecting it? thanks.

Re: Reliability
 

if its a seal failure, you will see the seepage on the back of your wheel
(axle seal) or at the
back of your diff (pinion seal). What sort of noise do you get ? Is it
lifted ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Waveblast9" <waveblast9@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040301115015.20524.00000700@mb-m28.aol.com...
> axle and pinion seal failure? Ive had a noise coming from the rear end of
my tj
> on and off for a long time now... i took it to the dealer and they couldnt
find
> anything wrong with it... i just assumed it had to do with the trac
lock( which
> im not even sure is working anymore btw) any chance that there is some
common
> jeep ailment effecting it? thanks.

Re: Reliability
 

I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
passenger footwell ...





"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:jfC0c.5661$dW5.77824186@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> reliability and cost of repair.
>
> "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92, and
> 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty
Direct
> said. "
>
>
> Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal failure
> ??
> Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of
parts
> in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read this
> and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>

Re: Reliability
 

I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
passenger footwell ...





"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:jfC0c.5661$dW5.77824186@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> reliability and cost of repair.
>
> "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92, and
> 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty
Direct
> said. "
>
>
> Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal failure
> ??
> Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of
parts
> in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read this
> and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>

Re: Reliability
 

I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
passenger footwell ...





"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:jfC0c.5661$dW5.77824186@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> reliability and cost of repair.
>
> "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92, and
> 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty
Direct
> said. "
>
>
> Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal failure
> ??
> Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of
parts
> in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read this
> and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>

Re: Reliability
 

No. On a Jeep, water dripping into the passenger compartment _IS_ air
conditioning.

CRWLR wrote:

> I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
> passenger footwell ...

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
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Re: Reliability
 

No. On a Jeep, water dripping into the passenger compartment _IS_ air
conditioning.

CRWLR wrote:

> I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
> passenger footwell ...

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Reliability
 

No. On a Jeep, water dripping into the passenger compartment _IS_ air
conditioning.

CRWLR wrote:

> I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
> passenger footwell ...

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Reliability
 

The A/C failure was poor welding of the evaporator core which resulted
in freon leaks inside the car, and very expensive repairs. I think
most were covered by warranty, and Chrysler did give an extended
warranty on the evaporator around 1994. Several model years were
affected, beginning with the 1993's. Ours was among them.

----

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:09:42 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
>passenger footwell ...

Re: Reliability
 

The A/C failure was poor welding of the evaporator core which resulted
in freon leaks inside the car, and very expensive repairs. I think
most were covered by warranty, and Chrysler did give an extended
warranty on the evaporator around 1994. Several model years were
affected, beginning with the 1993's. Ours was among them.

----

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:09:42 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
>passenger footwell ...

Re: Reliability
 

The A/C failure was poor welding of the evaporator core which resulted
in freon leaks inside the car, and very expensive repairs. I think
most were covered by warranty, and Chrysler did give an extended
warranty on the evaporator around 1994. Several model years were
affected, beginning with the 1993's. Ours was among them.

----

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:09:42 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
>passenger footwell ...

Re: Reliability
 

I believe all export Jeeps are Dana 44s. At the risk of opening a
can of worms they are ship without fluids.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> reliability and cost of repair.
>
> "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92, and
> 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty Direct
> said. "
>
> Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal failure
> ??
> Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of parts
> in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read this
> and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Reliability
 

I believe all export Jeeps are Dana 44s. At the risk of opening a
can of worms they are ship without fluids.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> reliability and cost of repair.
>
> "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92, and
> 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty Direct
> said. "
>
> Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal failure
> ??
> Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of parts
> in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read this
> and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Reliability
 

I believe all export Jeeps are Dana 44s. At the risk of opening a
can of worms they are ship without fluids.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> reliability and cost of repair.
>
> "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92, and
> 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty Direct
> said. "
>
> Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal failure
> ??
> Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of parts
> in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read this
> and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Reliability
 

I don't think the problem is so much that these things happen, but rather
the dealer charges so much to fix them...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4043A7D9.6C6D5575@cox.net...
> I believe all export Jeeps are Dana 44s. At the risk of opening a
> can of worms they are ship without fluids.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> > reliability and cost of repair.
> >
> > "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92,
and
> > 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> > conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty
Direct
> > said. "
> >
> > Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal
failure
> > ??
> > Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> > damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of
parts
> > in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read
this
> > and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Reliability
 

I don't think the problem is so much that these things happen, but rather
the dealer charges so much to fix them...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4043A7D9.6C6D5575@cox.net...
> I believe all export Jeeps are Dana 44s. At the risk of opening a
> can of worms they are ship without fluids.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> > reliability and cost of repair.
> >
> > "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92,
and
> > 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> > conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty
Direct
> > said. "
> >
> > Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal
failure
> > ??
> > Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> > damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of
parts
> > in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read
this
> > and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Reliability
 

I don't think the problem is so much that these things happen, but rather
the dealer charges so much to fix them...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4043A7D9.6C6D5575@cox.net...
> I believe all export Jeeps are Dana 44s. At the risk of opening a
> can of worms they are ship without fluids.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Warranty Direct, an insurance co, has just released an analysis of
> > reliability and cost of repair.
> >
> > "Jeep was the worst performer, with an average repair bill of £587.92,
and
> > 41 claims per 100 insurance policies held. Jeeps were afflicted by air
> > conditioning failures and rear suspension and axle problems, Warranty
Direct
> > said. "
> >
> > Hmm, could that just be the rear pinion seal failure and axle seal
failure
> > ??
> > Jeeps are not really offroaded here, so I would imaging the offroading
> > damage would be negligible. The dealership labour charges and cost of
parts
> > in the UK are also much higher than in the US. Hopefully DC will read
this
> > and understand why Jeeps aren't popular here !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Reliability
 

I had this problem on my '99 TJ two or three years ago and it only happened on
extremely humid days. There was no freon leak on mine, just water -- about an
inch or so -- and my wife was getting tired of trying to find a dry place to
put her feet. The work-around fix 'til I got it to the dealer was to pull the
passenger-side floorpan drain plug.

The dealer said it was a known problem and that the drain tube on the
evaporator was too short, allowing condensate to trickle through a seam or
grommet as it dripped down the firewall. He also said that it was sporadic;
i.e., it would leak on some jeeps but not on others. Bad design from the
git-go. The fix was to braze an extension tube onto the drain that led the
condensate to the bottom of the tub. I think they charged me around $35.
Haven't had it happen again since.

Scotty
'99 TJ 4.0L Sahara

---- <LeadWinger> writes:

>The A/C failure was poor welding of the evaporator core which resulted
>in freon leaks inside the car, and very expensive repairs. I think
>most were covered by warranty, and Chrysler did give an extended
>warranty on the evaporator around 1994. Several model years were
>affected, beginning with the 1993's. Ours was among them.

>----

>On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:09:42 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
>>passenger footwell ...

Re: Reliability
 

I had this problem on my '99 TJ two or three years ago and it only happened on
extremely humid days. There was no freon leak on mine, just water -- about an
inch or so -- and my wife was getting tired of trying to find a dry place to
put her feet. The work-around fix 'til I got it to the dealer was to pull the
passenger-side floorpan drain plug.

The dealer said it was a known problem and that the drain tube on the
evaporator was too short, allowing condensate to trickle through a seam or
grommet as it dripped down the firewall. He also said that it was sporadic;
i.e., it would leak on some jeeps but not on others. Bad design from the
git-go. The fix was to braze an extension tube onto the drain that led the
condensate to the bottom of the tub. I think they charged me around $35.
Haven't had it happen again since.

Scotty
'99 TJ 4.0L Sahara

---- <LeadWinger> writes:

>The A/C failure was poor welding of the evaporator core which resulted
>in freon leaks inside the car, and very expensive repairs. I think
>most were covered by warranty, and Chrysler did give an extended
>warranty on the evaporator around 1994. Several model years were
>affected, beginning with the 1993's. Ours was among them.

>----

>On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:09:42 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
>>passenger footwell ...

Re: Reliability
 

I had this problem on my '99 TJ two or three years ago and it only happened on
extremely humid days. There was no freon leak on mine, just water -- about an
inch or so -- and my wife was getting tired of trying to find a dry place to
put her feet. The work-around fix 'til I got it to the dealer was to pull the
passenger-side floorpan drain plug.

The dealer said it was a known problem and that the drain tube on the
evaporator was too short, allowing condensate to trickle through a seam or
grommet as it dripped down the firewall. He also said that it was sporadic;
i.e., it would leak on some jeeps but not on others. Bad design from the
git-go. The fix was to braze an extension tube onto the drain that led the
condensate to the bottom of the tub. I think they charged me around $35.
Haven't had it happen again since.

Scotty
'99 TJ 4.0L Sahara

---- <LeadWinger> writes:

>The A/C failure was poor welding of the evaporator core which resulted
>in freon leaks inside the car, and very expensive repairs. I think
>most were covered by warranty, and Chrysler did give an extended
>warranty on the evaporator around 1994. Several model years were
>affected, beginning with the 1993's. Ours was among them.

>----

>On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:09:42 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>I wonder if "air conditioning failure" is the water that drips into the
>>passenger footwell ...