Rear brakes are backwards?
 

On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
probably had the same questions.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Hi Stephen,
Happens all the time when the rear end was assemble somewhere else.
Take to backing plates off and replace them on the other side.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Hi Stephen,
Happens all the time when the rear end was assemble somewhere else.
Take to backing plates off and replace them on the other side.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Hi Stephen,
Happens all the time when the rear end was assemble somewhere else.
Take to backing plates off and replace them on the other side.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:415F018F.5B3CC45D@cox.net...
> Hi Stephen,
> Happens all the time when the rear end was assemble somewhere else.
> Take to backing plates off and replace them on the other side.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:415F018F.5B3CC45D@cox.net...
> Hi Stephen,
> Happens all the time when the rear end was assemble somewhere else.
> Take to backing plates off and replace them on the other side.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:415F018F.5B3CC45D@cox.net...
> Hi Stephen,
> Happens all the time when the rear end was assemble somewhere else.
> Take to backing plates off and replace them on the other side.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
backwards?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
backwards?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
backwards?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Thanks for your help.

I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.

My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.

The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@cox.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Thanks for your help.

I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.

My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.

The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@cox.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Thanks for your help.

I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.

My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.

The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@cox.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

You also have backward axles almost. Cherokees have a spring over axle
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.

When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.

This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.

The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....

Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.

I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

You also have backward axles almost. Cherokees have a spring over axle
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.

When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.

This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.

The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....

Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.

I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

You also have backward axles almost. Cherokees have a spring over axle
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.

When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.

This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.

The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....

Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.

I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

It sounds like the backing plates are on the wrong side. This can only
happen if both plates were removed at the same time, then put back on the
wrong side. This could not have happened at the factory.





"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

It sounds like the backing plates are on the wrong side. This can only
happen if both plates were removed at the same time, then put back on the
wrong side. This could not have happened at the factory.





"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

It sounds like the backing plates are on the wrong side. This can only
happen if both plates were removed at the same time, then put back on the
wrong side. This could not have happened at the factory.





"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

You know what, I think you probably need a factory shop manual to accurately
assess the problem you think you have.

I can't imagine why the brake cables would go around to the back of the
vehicle in their approach to the brake drums, but that cold be correct. My
brake cables come in to the brake assemblies from the front. You described
the brake cables as not being stretched, and if they were supposed to come
from the front but came from the rear instead, they would most certainly be
short.

I said earlier that the backing plates were on the wrong side, but I am not
so sure I was correct when I said that. I can say without equivocation that
Haynes and Chilton are both notoriaously inaccurate when it comes to things
like this, and the FSM is by far the more reliable source of information.
The FSM will run you about $80, give or take, but the information is well
worth the added cost as compared to Haynes and Chilton.





"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

You know what, I think you probably need a factory shop manual to accurately
assess the problem you think you have.

I can't imagine why the brake cables would go around to the back of the
vehicle in their approach to the brake drums, but that cold be correct. My
brake cables come in to the brake assemblies from the front. You described
the brake cables as not being stretched, and if they were supposed to come
from the front but came from the rear instead, they would most certainly be
short.

I said earlier that the backing plates were on the wrong side, but I am not
so sure I was correct when I said that. I can say without equivocation that
Haynes and Chilton are both notoriaously inaccurate when it comes to things
like this, and the FSM is by far the more reliable source of information.
The FSM will run you about $80, give or take, but the information is well
worth the added cost as compared to Haynes and Chilton.





"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

You know what, I think you probably need a factory shop manual to accurately
assess the problem you think you have.

I can't imagine why the brake cables would go around to the back of the
vehicle in their approach to the brake drums, but that cold be correct. My
brake cables come in to the brake assemblies from the front. You described
the brake cables as not being stretched, and if they were supposed to come
from the front but came from the rear instead, they would most certainly be
short.

I said earlier that the backing plates were on the wrong side, but I am not
so sure I was correct when I said that. I can say without equivocation that
Haynes and Chilton are both notoriaously inaccurate when it comes to things
like this, and the FSM is by far the more reliable source of information.
The FSM will run you about $80, give or take, but the information is well
worth the added cost as compared to Haynes and Chilton.





"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:15:06 UTC "Stephen R. Conrad"
<sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote:

> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

I've got the FSM for the MJ covering your year (published July 85 with
updates thru 1988) and it is perfectly clear: the parking brake lever
is mounted on the REAR shoe. The maual doesn't have a clear picture
of the cable entry, but on my 88 (also long bed, but 4wd) the cable
entry holes face the front and I've never seen one face the rear on
anything. I've got to go with Bill here: someone put the brakes
together bass-ackwards. I can scan and send you a copy of the
diagrams if you need them.

Good luck on the cable, BTW. I broke one and wound up doing some
creative fabbing with a Chevy cable and a swaging tool

--
Will Honea

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:15:06 UTC "Stephen R. Conrad"
<sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote:

> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

I've got the FSM for the MJ covering your year (published July 85 with
updates thru 1988) and it is perfectly clear: the parking brake lever
is mounted on the REAR shoe. The maual doesn't have a clear picture
of the cable entry, but on my 88 (also long bed, but 4wd) the cable
entry holes face the front and I've never seen one face the rear on
anything. I've got to go with Bill here: someone put the brakes
together bass-ackwards. I can scan and send you a copy of the
diagrams if you need them.

Good luck on the cable, BTW. I broke one and wound up doing some
creative fabbing with a Chevy cable and a swaging tool

--
Will Honea

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:15:06 UTC "Stephen R. Conrad"
<sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote:

> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.

I've got the FSM for the MJ covering your year (published July 85 with
updates thru 1988) and it is perfectly clear: the parking brake lever
is mounted on the REAR shoe. The maual doesn't have a clear picture
of the cable entry, but on my 88 (also long bed, but 4wd) the cable
entry holes face the front and I've never seen one face the rear on
anything. I've got to go with Bill here: someone put the brakes
together bass-ackwards. I can scan and send you a copy of the
diagrams if you need them.

Good luck on the cable, BTW. I broke one and wound up doing some
creative fabbing with a Chevy cable and a swaging tool

--
Will Honea

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

A scan or picture would be much appreciated. Please note the correct email
address is sconradpt@yahoo.com.

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-o7P6Sd6eYV6V@anon.none.net...
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:15:06 UTC "Stephen R. Conrad"
> <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote:
>
>> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
>> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals
>> (Clymer,
>> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
>> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
>> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
>> the
>> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
>> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
>> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
>> arranged.
>> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
>> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I
>> reverse
>> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake
>> and
>> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
>> probably had the same questions.
>
> I've got the FSM for the MJ covering your year (published July 85 with
> updates thru 1988) and it is perfectly clear: the parking brake lever
> is mounted on the REAR shoe. The maual doesn't have a clear picture
> of the cable entry, but on my 88 (also long bed, but 4wd) the cable
> entry holes face the front and I've never seen one face the rear on
> anything. I've got to go with Bill here: someone put the brakes
> together bass-ackwards. I can scan and send you a copy of the
> diagrams if you need them.
>
> Good luck on the cable, BTW. I broke one and wound up doing some
> creative fabbing with a Chevy cable and a swaging tool
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

A scan or picture would be much appreciated. Please note the correct email
address is sconradpt@yahoo.com.

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-o7P6Sd6eYV6V@anon.none.net...
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:15:06 UTC "Stephen R. Conrad"
> <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote:
>
>> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
>> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals
>> (Clymer,
>> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
>> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
>> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
>> the
>> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
>> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
>> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
>> arranged.
>> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
>> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I
>> reverse
>> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake
>> and
>> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
>> probably had the same questions.
>
> I've got the FSM for the MJ covering your year (published July 85 with
> updates thru 1988) and it is perfectly clear: the parking brake lever
> is mounted on the REAR shoe. The maual doesn't have a clear picture
> of the cable entry, but on my 88 (also long bed, but 4wd) the cable
> entry holes face the front and I've never seen one face the rear on
> anything. I've got to go with Bill here: someone put the brakes
> together bass-ackwards. I can scan and send you a copy of the
> diagrams if you need them.
>
> Good luck on the cable, BTW. I broke one and wound up doing some
> creative fabbing with a Chevy cable and a swaging tool
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

A scan or picture would be much appreciated. Please note the correct email
address is sconradpt@yahoo.com.

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-o7P6Sd6eYV6V@anon.none.net...
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:15:06 UTC "Stephen R. Conrad"
> <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote:
>
>> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
>> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals
>> (Clymer,
>> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
>> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
>> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
>> the
>> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
>> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
>> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
>> arranged.
>> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
>> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I
>> reverse
>> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake
>> and
>> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
>> probably had the same questions.
>
> I've got the FSM for the MJ covering your year (published July 85 with
> updates thru 1988) and it is perfectly clear: the parking brake lever
> is mounted on the REAR shoe. The maual doesn't have a clear picture
> of the cable entry, but on my 88 (also long bed, but 4wd) the cable
> entry holes face the front and I've never seen one face the rear on
> anything. I've got to go with Bill here: someone put the brakes
> together bass-ackwards. I can scan and send you a copy of the
> diagrams if you need them.
>
> Good luck on the cable, BTW. I broke one and wound up doing some
> creative fabbing with a Chevy cable and a swaging tool
>
> --
> Will Honea