Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)

My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
$700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
$150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected parking
brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
closely as possible.

Thanks again for your help.

From: "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
Date: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:53 PM

What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But,
> the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums
> from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Hi Stephen,
You still didn't mention what you're working on, but you wrote "bed
height sensor" means it's probably a Comanche. The backing plate have
two access holes to adjust the star, meaning they are the same for both
sides, but it's easily possible to reverse everything else:
http://www.----------.com/90RbrakeParts.pdf Some things to know are the
longer shoe, and adjusting cable and lever always go towards the back
side of the car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
>
> My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected parking
> brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> closely as possible.
>
> Thanks again for your help.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Hi Stephen,
You still didn't mention what you're working on, but you wrote "bed
height sensor" means it's probably a Comanche. The backing plate have
two access holes to adjust the star, meaning they are the same for both
sides, but it's easily possible to reverse everything else:
http://www.----------.com/90RbrakeParts.pdf Some things to know are the
longer shoe, and adjusting cable and lever always go towards the back
side of the car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
>
> My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected parking
> brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> closely as possible.
>
> Thanks again for your help.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Hi Stephen,
You still didn't mention what you're working on, but you wrote "bed
height sensor" means it's probably a Comanche. The backing plate have
two access holes to adjust the star, meaning they are the same for both
sides, but it's easily possible to reverse everything else:
http://www.----------.com/90RbrakeParts.pdf Some things to know are the
longer shoe, and adjusting cable and lever always go towards the back
side of the car.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
>
> My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected parking
> brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> closely as possible.
>
> Thanks again for your help.

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

My '87 comanche long bed's brake proportioning valve was missing its link
for years...finally replaced it, but still have almost no braking from rear
wheels. Infact, can't even get them to lock up on gravel or ice. Thought
about by-passing the valve, but wondered what is involved....Do you end up
with too much braking in back...which could cause skids...??
"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2sag7iF1guukkU2@uni-berlin.de...
> If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
>
> My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected
parking
> brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> closely as possible.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> From: "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
> Date: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:53 PM
>
> What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
> in as straight a line as possible.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post
a
> > picture or drawing.
> >
> > My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's
in
> > the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But,
> > the
> > rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be
the
> > proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums
> > from
> > the rear.
> >
> > The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> > don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long
bed
> > or short bed.
>
>
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

My '87 comanche long bed's brake proportioning valve was missing its link
for years...finally replaced it, but still have almost no braking from rear
wheels. Infact, can't even get them to lock up on gravel or ice. Thought
about by-passing the valve, but wondered what is involved....Do you end up
with too much braking in back...which could cause skids...??
"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2sag7iF1guukkU2@uni-berlin.de...
> If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
>
> My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected
parking
> brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> closely as possible.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> From: "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
> Date: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:53 PM
>
> What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
> in as straight a line as possible.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post
a
> > picture or drawing.
> >
> > My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's
in
> > the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But,
> > the
> > rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be
the
> > proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums
> > from
> > the rear.
> >
> > The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> > don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long
bed
> > or short bed.
>
>
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

My '87 comanche long bed's brake proportioning valve was missing its link
for years...finally replaced it, but still have almost no braking from rear
wheels. Infact, can't even get them to lock up on gravel or ice. Thought
about by-passing the valve, but wondered what is involved....Do you end up
with too much braking in back...which could cause skids...??
"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2sag7iF1guukkU2@uni-berlin.de...
> If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
>
> My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected
parking
> brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> closely as possible.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> From: "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
> Date: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:53 PM
>
> What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
> in as straight a line as possible.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post
a
> > picture or drawing.
> >
> > My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's
in
> > the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But,
> > the
> > rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be
the
> > proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums
> > from
> > the rear.
> >
> > The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> > don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long
bed
> > or short bed.
>
>
>

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Even in the Cherokee it is almost if not totally impossible to lock the
rears. They have the proportioning valve set that way. The Haynes even
mentions it as well for the CJ's. They started out doing it in the 70's
for safety reasons.

I don't mind. Locking the rears is a fast way to do 360's down the
road.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

attnews wrote:
>
> My '87 comanche long bed's brake proportioning valve was missing its link
> for years...finally replaced it, but still have almost no braking from rear
> wheels. Infact, can't even get them to lock up on gravel or ice. Thought
> about by-passing the valve, but wondered what is involved....Do you end up
> with too much braking in back...which could cause skids...??
> "Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
> news:2sag7iF1guukkU2@uni-berlin.de...
> > If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> > suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
> >
> > My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> > $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> > $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected
> parking
> > brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> > parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> > closely as possible.
> >
> > Thanks again for your help.
> >
> > From: "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
> > Date: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:53 PM
> >
> > What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
> > in as straight a line as possible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post
> a
> > > picture or drawing.
> > >
> > > My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's
> in
> > > the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But,
> > > the
> > > rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be
> the
> > > proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums
> > > from
> > > the rear.
> > >
> > > The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> > > don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long
> bed
> > > or short bed.
> >
> >
> >

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Even in the Cherokee it is almost if not totally impossible to lock the
rears. They have the proportioning valve set that way. The Haynes even
mentions it as well for the CJ's. They started out doing it in the 70's
for safety reasons.

I don't mind. Locking the rears is a fast way to do 360's down the
road.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

attnews wrote:
>
> My '87 comanche long bed's brake proportioning valve was missing its link
> for years...finally replaced it, but still have almost no braking from rear
> wheels. Infact, can't even get them to lock up on gravel or ice. Thought
> about by-passing the valve, but wondered what is involved....Do you end up
> with too much braking in back...which could cause skids...??
> "Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
> news:2sag7iF1guukkU2@uni-berlin.de...
> > If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> > suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
> >
> > My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> > $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> > $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected
> parking
> > brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> > parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> > closely as possible.
> >
> > Thanks again for your help.
> >
> > From: "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
> > Date: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:53 PM
> >
> > What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
> > in as straight a line as possible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post
> a
> > > picture or drawing.
> > >
> > > My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's
> in
> > > the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But,
> > > the
> > > rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be
> the
> > > proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums
> > > from
> > > the rear.
> > >
> > > The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> > > don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long
> bed
> > > or short bed.
> >
> >
> >

Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
 

Even in the Cherokee it is almost if not totally impossible to lock the
rears. They have the proportioning valve set that way. The Haynes even
mentions it as well for the CJ's. They started out doing it in the 70's
for safety reasons.

I don't mind. Locking the rears is a fast way to do 360's down the
road.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

attnews wrote:
>
> My '87 comanche long bed's brake proportioning valve was missing its link
> for years...finally replaced it, but still have almost no braking from rear
> wheels. Infact, can't even get them to lock up on gravel or ice. Thought
> about by-passing the valve, but wondered what is involved....Do you end up
> with too much braking in back...which could cause skids...??
> "Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
> news:2sag7iF1guukkU2@uni-berlin.de...
> > If that is true, then mine are incorrect. I have over the years come to be
> > suspicious of "always" and other such absolutes :)
> >
> > My goal is to get the best working brakes possible. The brake shop wanted
> > $700 to install new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I did the job for
> > $150 in parts. The brakes work well now, except for the disconnected
> parking
> > brake and the bypassed bed height sensing valve. I found several interior
> > parts missing and would like to approximate the correct configuration as
> > closely as possible.
> >
> > Thanks again for your help.
> >
> > From: "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
> > Date: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:53 PM
> >
> > What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
> > in as straight a line as possible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post
> a
> > > picture or drawing.
> > >
> > > My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's
> in
> > > the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But,
> > > the
> > > rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be
> the
> > > proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums
> > > from
> > > the rear.
> > >
> > > The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> > > don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long
> bed
> > > or short bed.
> >
> >
> >