Re: no power steering, ok to drive?
 

I tried to find some better info in the newsgroup but didn't. But my
understanding is that your power steering functions mostly are tied to your
pump and you pressure/return lines. The steering box is pretty much just a
gear box that is assisted by the fluid and hydraulic pressure from your
pump. Someone can feel free to correct me and point me to better
information if I am mistaken.

According to autozone.com the prices for a new (rebuilt) pump for your 79
are:
Part#
core/chg Price
ATSCO (WITH RESERVOIR) 6051 $15.00 $71.99
ATSCO (WITHOUT RESERVOIR) 6253 $10.00 $44.99

I beleive a new steering geabox runs in the neighborhood fo $250. My
suggestion would be that if nobody can provide any better information than
me. Go to a parts store and pick their brain a bit. Most stores have at
least 1 knowledgable person to help dignose these types of problems. I know
I would rather change out a $70 pump than a $250 gearbox though.

Double check and make sure the belt that drives your pump didn't break and
fall out of the engine bay as well. Not likely, but certainly possible.
You might also consider disconnecting your return line and putting it in a
bucket to see if it pumps fluid out. If not you could have a clogged line.

Just my .02! All I've really done is ever remove mine to clean it up and
change the seals so I'm no p/s expert.

"Aaron Graham" <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote in message
news:aarons48willys-478B44.12192408072003@news2.localnet.com...
> Also: How can I tell if it is the pump or the box that is bad?
>
>
>
> In article <aarons48willys-C12BAA.11355508072003@news2.localnet.com>,
> Aaron Graham <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote:
>
> > It seems that my power steering box in my '79 CJ 7 finally died last
> > night also(on the way to the club meeting) It just feels like I have
> > manual steering now all of the time. Is it ok to drive it like this? I
> > assume it is just like have manual steering. I am going to have to save
> > some $$ before I can buy a new steering box, but still have to be able
> > to drive the Jeep occasionally. Where is the cheapest place anyone has
> > found for a power steering box?
> >
> > Also another related question:
> > Would a bad alignment(toe in) adversely affect the steering box? The
> > Jeep drives straight(most of the time when the steering was not acting
> > up) but did not recenter automatically after a turn.
> --
> Aaron Graham
> http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> o_o_o_o
> /| ,[_____],
> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)

Re: no power steering, ok to drive?
 

I was told not to drive without a functional PS-pump. They said because of
all the little balls inside het PS-box pressure could build up en suddenly
release, resulting in unexpected lane changes. Driving with no fluid means
no lubrication means more wear on parts. Which could result in a lock-up,
and an expected but very unwanted turn.

From what I'm told.

Thom.

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YHCOa.34$uX6.28175@news.uswest.net...
> I tried to find some better info in the newsgroup but didn't. But my
> understanding is that your power steering functions mostly are tied to
your
> pump and you pressure/return lines. The steering box is pretty much just
a
> gear box that is assisted by the fluid and hydraulic pressure from your
> pump. Someone can feel free to correct me and point me to better
> information if I am mistaken.
>
> According to autozone.com the prices for a new (rebuilt) pump for your 79
> are:
> Part#
> core/chg Price
> ATSCO (WITH RESERVOIR) 6051 $15.00 $71.99
> ATSCO (WITHOUT RESERVOIR) 6253 $10.00 $44.99
>
> I beleive a new steering geabox runs in the neighborhood fo $250. My
> suggestion would be that if nobody can provide any better information than
> me. Go to a parts store and pick their brain a bit. Most stores have at
> least 1 knowledgable person to help dignose these types of problems. I
know
> I would rather change out a $70 pump than a $250 gearbox though.
>
> Double check and make sure the belt that drives your pump didn't break and
> fall out of the engine bay as well. Not likely, but certainly possible.
> You might also consider disconnecting your return line and putting it in a
> bucket to see if it pumps fluid out. If not you could have a clogged
line.
>
> Just my .02! All I've really done is ever remove mine to clean it up and
> change the seals so I'm no p/s expert.
>
> "Aaron Graham" <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote in message
> news:aarons48willys-478B44.12192408072003@news2.localnet.com...
> > Also: How can I tell if it is the pump or the box that is bad?
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <aarons48willys-C12BAA.11355508072003@news2.localnet.com>,
> > Aaron Graham <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It seems that my power steering box in my '79 CJ 7 finally died last
> > > night also(on the way to the club meeting) It just feels like I have
> > > manual steering now all of the time. Is it ok to drive it like this?
I
> > > assume it is just like have manual steering. I am going to have to
save
> > > some $$ before I can buy a new steering box, but still have to be able
> > > to drive the Jeep occasionally. Where is the cheapest place anyone
has
> > > found for a power steering box?
> > >
> > > Also another related question:
> > > Would a bad alignment(toe in) adversely affect the steering box? The
> > > Jeep drives straight(most of the time when the steering was not acting
> > > up) but did not recenter automatically after a turn.
> > --
> > Aaron Graham
> > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > o_o_o_o
> > /| ,[_____],
> > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
>
>

Re: no power steering, ok to drive?
 

This kind of sounds like what I have been dealing with lately.


In article
<1057689535.360592@evisp-news-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net>, "Thom"
<thomvis@hot.mail.com> wrote:

> I was told not to drive without a functional PS-pump. They said because
> of
> all the little balls inside het PS-box pressure could build up en
> suddenly
> release, resulting in unexpected lane changes. Driving with no fluid
> means
> no lubrication means more wear on parts. Which could result in a lock-up,
> and an expected but very unwanted turn.
>
> From what I'm told.
>
> Thom.
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:YHCOa.34$uX6.28175@news.uswest.net...
> > I tried to find some better info in the newsgroup but didn't. But my
> > understanding is that your power steering functions mostly are tied to
> your
> > pump and you pressure/return lines. The steering box is pretty much
> > just
> a
> > gear box that is assisted by the fluid and hydraulic pressure from your
> > pump. Someone can feel free to correct me and point me to better
> > information if I am mistaken.
> >
> > According to autozone.com the prices for a new (rebuilt) pump for your
> > 79
> > are:
> > Part#
> > core/chg Price
> > ATSCO (WITH RESERVOIR) 6051 $15.00 $71.99
> > ATSCO (WITHOUT RESERVOIR) 6253 $10.00 $44.99
> >
> > I beleive a new steering geabox runs in the neighborhood fo $250. My
> > suggestion would be that if nobody can provide any better information
> > than
> > me. Go to a parts store and pick their brain a bit. Most stores have
> > at
> > least 1 knowledgable person to help dignose these types of problems. I
> know
> > I would rather change out a $70 pump than a $250 gearbox though.
> >
> > Double check and make sure the belt that drives your pump didn't break
> > and
> > fall out of the engine bay as well. Not likely, but certainly
> > possible.
> > You might also consider disconnecting your return line and putting it
> > in a
> > bucket to see if it pumps fluid out. If not you could have a clogged
> line.
> >
> > Just my .02! All I've really done is ever remove mine to clean it up
> > and
> > change the seals so I'm no p/s expert.
> >
> > "Aaron Graham" <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote in message
> > news:aarons48willys-478B44.12192408072003@news2.localnet.com...
> > > Also: How can I tell if it is the pump or the box that is bad?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In article <aarons48willys-C12BAA.11355508072003@news2.localnet.com>,
> > > Aaron Graham <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It seems that my power steering box in my '79 CJ 7 finally died
> > > > last
> > > > night also(on the way to the club meeting) It just feels like I
> > > > have
> > > > manual steering now all of the time. Is it ok to drive it like
> > > > this?
> I
> > > > assume it is just like have manual steering. I am going to have to
> save
> > > > some $$ before I can buy a new steering box, but still have to be
> > > > able
> > > > to drive the Jeep occasionally. Where is the cheapest place anyone
> has
> > > > found for a power steering box?
> > > >
> > > > Also another related question:
> > > > Would a bad alignment(toe in) adversely affect the steering box?
> > > > The
> > > > Jeep drives straight(most of the time when the steering was not
> > > > acting
> > > > up) but did not recenter automatically after a turn.
> > > --
> > > Aaron Graham
> > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > /| ,[_____],
> > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >
> >
>
>
--
Aaron Graham
http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
o_o_o_o
/| ,[_____],
|¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)

Re: no power steering, ok to drive?
 

Someone is yanking your chain.


"Thom" <thomvis@hot.mail.com> wrote in message
news:1057689535.360592@evisp-news-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net...
> I was told not to drive without a functional PS-pump. They said because of
> all the little balls inside het PS-box pressure could build up en suddenly
> release, resulting in unexpected lane changes. Driving with no fluid means
> no lubrication means more wear on parts. Which could result in a lock-up,
> and an expected but very unwanted turn.
>
> From what I'm told.
>
> Thom.
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:YHCOa.34$uX6.28175@news.uswest.net...
> > I tried to find some better info in the newsgroup but didn't. But my
> > understanding is that your power steering functions mostly are tied to
> your
> > pump and you pressure/return lines. The steering box is pretty much
just
> a
> > gear box that is assisted by the fluid and hydraulic pressure from your
> > pump. Someone can feel free to correct me and point me to better
> > information if I am mistaken.
> >
> > According to autozone.com the prices for a new (rebuilt) pump for your
79
> > are:
> > Part#
> > core/chg Price
> > ATSCO (WITH RESERVOIR) 6051 $15.00 $71.99
> > ATSCO (WITHOUT RESERVOIR) 6253 $10.00 $44.99
> >
> > I beleive a new steering geabox runs in the neighborhood fo $250. My
> > suggestion would be that if nobody can provide any better information
than
> > me. Go to a parts store and pick their brain a bit. Most stores have
at
> > least 1 knowledgable person to help dignose these types of problems. I
> know
> > I would rather change out a $70 pump than a $250 gearbox though.
> >
> > Double check and make sure the belt that drives your pump didn't break
and
> > fall out of the engine bay as well. Not likely, but certainly possible.
> > You might also consider disconnecting your return line and putting it in
a
> > bucket to see if it pumps fluid out. If not you could have a clogged
> line.
> >
> > Just my .02! All I've really done is ever remove mine to clean it up
and
> > change the seals so I'm no p/s expert.
> >
> > "Aaron Graham" <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote in message
> > news:aarons48willys-478B44.12192408072003@news2.localnet.com...
> > > Also: How can I tell if it is the pump or the box that is bad?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In article <aarons48willys-C12BAA.11355508072003@news2.localnet.com>,
> > > Aaron Graham <aarons48willys@NOSPAM.mac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It seems that my power steering box in my '79 CJ 7 finally died last
> > > > night also(on the way to the club meeting) It just feels like I
have
> > > > manual steering now all of the time. Is it ok to drive it like
this?
> I
> > > > assume it is just like have manual steering. I am going to have to
> save
> > > > some $$ before I can buy a new steering box, but still have to be
able
> > > > to drive the Jeep occasionally. Where is the cheapest place anyone
> has
> > > > found for a power steering box?
> > > >
> > > > Also another related question:
> > > > Would a bad alignment(toe in) adversely affect the steering box?
The
> > > > Jeep drives straight(most of the time when the steering was not
acting
> > > > up) but did not recenter automatically after a turn.
> > > --
> > > Aaron Graham
> > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > /| ,[_____],
> > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >
> >
>
>