Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

I have 33's/4.56 and at 65mph I am right about 2500rpm in OD.

"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> nrs wrote:

>Mike,

I´m going to start paying attention to my RPMs when I'm on the
highway. Right now I'm running 30 inch tires with 4.56 gears (up from
the original 4.10) and like it a lot. I plan to put 32 inch tires on
it next year. It will be interesting to see how it runs then.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.

4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.

4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.

4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190404899.899721.270550@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.

4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190404899.899721.270550@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

On Sep 23, 3:35 pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
> gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
> pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
> least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.
>
> 4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
> Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.
>
> "Tracie" <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1190404899.899721.270550@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
> do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Mike --
I am definitely enthusiastic! I've never been so excited about a
vehicle (and I've owned about 10 in the past 10-12 years) as I am
about my Wrangler. They are so much FUN!! Thank you for your input
regarding the gear upgrade.

Matt --
Same thing to be said to you as well. Thanks for all your input on
the gear change. I thought that the Rubi's came with 31's and 4.10's,
but I wasn't 100% sure. That helps ALOT in making my decision. That
basically means my rig will drive like a stock Rubi without any
problems (that I know of). I got a quote today of $1500-1600
(including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
that sound about right?

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

On Sep 23, 3:35 pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
> gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
> pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
> least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.
>
> 4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
> Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.
>
> "Tracie" <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1190404899.899721.270550@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
> do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Mike --
I am definitely enthusiastic! I've never been so excited about a
vehicle (and I've owned about 10 in the past 10-12 years) as I am
about my Wrangler. They are so much FUN!! Thank you for your input
regarding the gear upgrade.

Matt --
Same thing to be said to you as well. Thanks for all your input on
the gear change. I thought that the Rubi's came with 31's and 4.10's,
but I wasn't 100% sure. That helps ALOT in making my decision. That
basically means my rig will drive like a stock Rubi without any
problems (that I know of). I got a quote today of $1500-1600
(including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
that sound about right?

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

On Sep 23, 3:35 pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
> gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
> pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
> least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.
>
> 4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
> Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.
>
> "Tracie" <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1190404899.899721.270550@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
> do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Mike --
I am definitely enthusiastic! I've never been so excited about a
vehicle (and I've owned about 10 in the past 10-12 years) as I am
about my Wrangler. They are so much FUN!! Thank you for your input
regarding the gear upgrade.

Matt --
Same thing to be said to you as well. Thanks for all your input on
the gear change. I thought that the Rubi's came with 31's and 4.10's,
but I wasn't 100% sure. That helps ALOT in making my decision. That
basically means my rig will drive like a stock Rubi without any
problems (that I know of). I got a quote today of $1500-1600
(including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
that sound about right?

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

On Sep 23, 3:35 pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Tracie, if it were mine I'd go with the 4.10's now. That way you pay for the
> gear change once. You'll get slightly worse gas mileage so I guess you'll
> pay for the second gear change over time in increased fuel costs, but at
> least you won't have an extra big hit to your wallet when you go to 33's.
>
> 4.10 and 33's will be pretty much the same as 3.73's and 31's. Rubicon TJ
> Wrangers had 4.10/31's from the factory, BTW.
>
> "Tracie" <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1190404899.899721.270550@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On Sep 21, 3:31 pm, nrs <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> If it makes any difference, my original tires were the 215/75/15. I
> do not have a lift on now. Just thought about it in the future.

Mike --
I am definitely enthusiastic! I've never been so excited about a
vehicle (and I've owned about 10 in the past 10-12 years) as I am
about my Wrangler. They are so much FUN!! Thank you for your input
regarding the gear upgrade.

Matt --
Same thing to be said to you as well. Thanks for all your input on
the gear change. I thought that the Rubi's came with 31's and 4.10's,
but I wasn't 100% sure. That helps ALOT in making my decision. That
basically means my rig will drive like a stock Rubi without any
problems (that I know of). I got a quote today of $1500-1600
(including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
that sound about right?

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> that sound about right?

Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came with
3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
front, which replaced that carrier anyway.

BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
get the open carrier. Same for the rear.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> that sound about right?

Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came with
3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
front, which replaced that carrier anyway.

BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
get the open carrier. Same for the rear.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> that sound about right?

Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came with
3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
front, which replaced that carrier anyway.

BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
get the open carrier. Same for the rear.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> that sound about right?

Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came with
3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
front, which replaced that carrier anyway.

BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
get the open carrier. Same for the rear.

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvqdnXTxKtMAgWXbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
> news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
> I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> > (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> > change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> > that sound about right?
>
> Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
> higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
> the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came
with
> 3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
> front, which replaced that carrier anyway.
>
> BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
> sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
> get the open carrier. Same for the rear.
>
It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.

Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle ratio.

Cheers,

Earle

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvqdnXTxKtMAgWXbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
> news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
> I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> > (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> > change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> > that sound about right?
>
> Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
> higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
> the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came
with
> 3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
> front, which replaced that carrier anyway.
>
> BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
> sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
> get the open carrier. Same for the rear.
>
It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.

Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle ratio.

Cheers,

Earle

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvqdnXTxKtMAgWXbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
> news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
> I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> > (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> > change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> > that sound about right?
>
> Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
> higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
> the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came
with
> 3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
> front, which replaced that carrier anyway.
>
> BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
> sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
> get the open carrier. Same for the rear.
>
It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.

Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle ratio.

Cheers,

Earle

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fvqdnXTxKtMAgWXbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Tracie" <brainart@upstate.edu> wrote in message
> news:1190650031.025885.300980@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
> I got a quote today of $1500-1600
> > (including labor but not the sales tax) for the front/rear gear
> > change. This is from an acutal gear shop near where I live. Does
> > that sound about right?
>
> Front/back, all parts/labor included, sounds about right. It's a little
> higher then when I had mine done but you need to swap the entire carriers,
> the 4.10 gearsets don't fit on the 3.07 carriers. Mine originally came
with
> 3.73's so I was good, tho I did had a limited slip diff installed in the
> front, which replaced that carrier anyway.
>
> BEFORE YOU ASK ;-) If you plan on doing a lot of off-roading (which it
> sounds like you are not) then spring for the LS in the front. If not, just
> get the open carrier. Same for the rear.
>
It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.

Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle ratio.

Cheers,

Earle

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Not the case, the proof is in my garage...

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
> not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
> are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>
> Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> ratio.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Not the case, the proof is in my garage...

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
> not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
> are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>
> Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> ratio.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Not the case, the proof is in my garage...

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
> not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
> are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>
> Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> ratio.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Not the case, the proof is in my garage...

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the front
> not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer TJs
> are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>
> Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> ratio.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
they can make for lots of fun on the rear.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
front
> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
TJs
> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >
> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> > ratio.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
they can make for lots of fun on the rear.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
front
> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
TJs
> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >
> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> > ratio.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
they can make for lots of fun on the rear.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
front
> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
TJs
> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >
> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> > ratio.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
they can make for lots of fun on the rear.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
front
> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
TJs
> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >
> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> > ratio.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
quite transparent on the street in 2wd.

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
> they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> front
>> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
> TJs
>> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>> >
>> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
>> > ratio.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
quite transparent on the street in 2wd.

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
> they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> front
>> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
> TJs
>> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>> >
>> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
>> > ratio.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
quite transparent on the street in 2wd.

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
> they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> front
>> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
> TJs
>> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>> >
>> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
>> > ratio.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
quite transparent on the street in 2wd.

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I know
> they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> front
>> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the newer
> TJs
>> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
>> >
>> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
>> > ratio.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Quite, the True-Trac is a gear driven gizmo, that doesn't load the axles on
turns or unless it is driven by the drive shaft. The Trac-Loc is a more
conventional design, that does do this and does interfere with steering,
front or back. I would recommend the Trac-Loc for light duty use because it
is cheap and won't break stuff, because it doesn't really ever lock. The
down side is increased frequency of differential oil changes. If you want
more locking behavior you can stick an extra clutch disc in it.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:sMOdnZ6BI5zihmTbnZ2dnUVZ_qKgnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
> quite transparent on the street in 2wd.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> > Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I
know
> > they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>
> >> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> > front
> >> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the
newer
> > TJs
> >> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >> >
> >> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> >> > ratio.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Quite, the True-Trac is a gear driven gizmo, that doesn't load the axles on
turns or unless it is driven by the drive shaft. The Trac-Loc is a more
conventional design, that does do this and does interfere with steering,
front or back. I would recommend the Trac-Loc for light duty use because it
is cheap and won't break stuff, because it doesn't really ever lock. The
down side is increased frequency of differential oil changes. If you want
more locking behavior you can stick an extra clutch disc in it.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:sMOdnZ6BI5zihmTbnZ2dnUVZ_qKgnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
> quite transparent on the street in 2wd.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> > Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I
know
> > they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>
> >> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> > front
> >> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the
newer
> > TJs
> >> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >> >
> >> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> >> > ratio.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Quite, the True-Trac is a gear driven gizmo, that doesn't load the axles on
turns or unless it is driven by the drive shaft. The Trac-Loc is a more
conventional design, that does do this and does interfere with steering,
front or back. I would recommend the Trac-Loc for light duty use because it
is cheap and won't break stuff, because it doesn't really ever lock. The
down side is increased frequency of differential oil changes. If you want
more locking behavior you can stick an extra clutch disc in it.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:sMOdnZ6BI5zihmTbnZ2dnUVZ_qKgnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
> quite transparent on the street in 2wd.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> > Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I
know
> > they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>
> >> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> > front
> >> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the
newer
> > TJs
> >> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >> >
> >> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> >> > ratio.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

Quite, the True-Trac is a gear driven gizmo, that doesn't load the axles on
turns or unless it is driven by the drive shaft. The Trac-Loc is a more
conventional design, that does do this and does interfere with steering,
front or back. I would recommend the Trac-Loc for light duty use because it
is cheap and won't break stuff, because it doesn't really ever lock. The
down side is increased frequency of differential oil changes. If you want
more locking behavior you can stick an extra clutch disc in it.

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:sMOdnZ6BI5zihmTbnZ2dnUVZ_qKgnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Rear is stock Trac Loc, front is Detroit Tru-Trac. The front Tru Trac is
> quite transparent on the street in 2wd.
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9ekd$sok$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Which LSD do you have? Just from looking at the front axle design, a
> > Trac-Loc would seem to have some effect on slippery winter roads. I
know
> > they can make for lots of fun on the rear.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:P8adncDK-rQrrWXbnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Not the case, the proof is in my garage...
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >> news:fd9987$6l1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>
> >> > It looks as if Tracie would need to get locking hubs for a LS on the
> > front
> >> > not to affect the steering. That is my understanding of how the
newer
> > TJs
> >> > are put together anyway. That would add a few hundred.
> >> >
> >> > Advice for Jeep shoppers--Stay away from any Jeep with the 3.07 axle
> >> > ratio.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: RE-GEARING TO EITHER 3.73 OR 4.11 (repeat -- sorry)
 

What size of engine is in it? 4.1 was always cool to run but harder on gas.Of late the 3.73 has grabbed some interest because it is a good size for about any car no matter what it it.I like my 32/10 BFG s on my Scout with 3.73s under it I do alot of stuff with it.That 4.1 will get to the top fast but it gets a top end howl .