Re: CJ7 & 258 fan to radiator measurement
 

You have the wrong fan on it or the wrong fan clutch on it.

1" is 'way' too close.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Aaron Graham wrote:
>
> Hi-
> As some of you may know I had my fan hit my radiator last month while
> 4-wheeling. I replaced the radiato, body mounts, and transmission
> mount. I went 4 wheeling July 5th and had it happen again, not as bad
> this time, it just grazed the radiator. I have played around with my
> radiator some now and have it so there is about 1 inch of space between
> the fan and radiator(still not enough in my mind).
>
> I have seen on this site:
> http://members.cox.net/~mhelmstetter...or_measure.jpg
> the he has 2 5/8".
>
> I am trying to find what everyone else normally has in a CJ with a 258.
>
> I see that he has a 2 core radiator where I have a 3 core so that is
> part of the difference.
>
> As far as I can tell my transmission and motor mounts are all good and
> aligned correctly.
> --
> Aaron Graham
> http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> o_o_o_o
> /| ,[_____],
> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)

Re: CJ7 & 258 fan to radiator measurement
 

How much overhang does the body have at the back cross member?

Mine is flush.

I have my rad sitting on a frame I built so it free stands. I have the
one piece front clip. My fan has 2" of clearance.

Do you have a fixed fan or a clutch fan? Mine is fixed. There also is
a 1" spacer between the fan and the waterpump pulley. This spacer could
either be cut down or removed if I needed more room.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Aaron Graham wrote:
>
> My fan and pully look exactly the same as the one in the picture. I
> think my fiberglass body was either made wrong or installed wrong.
>
>
>
> In article <3F0D9399.CBCEDAE4@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > You have the wrong fan on it or the wrong fan clutch on it.
> >
> > 1" is 'way' too close.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi-
> > > As some of you may know I had my fan hit my radiator last month while
> > > 4-wheeling. I replaced the radiato, body mounts, and transmission
> > > mount. I went 4 wheeling July 5th and had it happen again, not as bad
> > > this time, it just grazed the radiator. I have played around with my
> > > radiator some now and have it so there is about 1 inch of space between
> > > the fan and radiator(still not enough in my mind).
> > >
> > > I have seen on this site:
> > > http://members.cox.net/~mhelmstetter...or_measure.jpg
> > > the he has 2 5/8".
> > >
> > > I am trying to find what everyone else normally has in a CJ with a 258.
> > >
> > > I see that he has a 2 core radiator where I have a 3 core so that is
> > > part of the difference.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell my transmission and motor mounts are all good and
> > > aligned correctly.
> > > --
> > > Aaron Graham
> > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > /| ,[_____],
> > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> --
> Aaron Graham
> http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> o_o_o_o
> /| ,[_____],
> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)

Re: CJ7 & 258 fan to radiator measurement
 

In article <3F0DA1AF.11AB3EB9@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> How much overhang does the body have at the back cross member?
>
> Mine is flush.
>


Mine is flush with the crossmember that is there, but the back portion
of the frame was also replaced so it could be wrong also.



> I have my rad sitting on a frame I built so it free stands. I have the
> one piece front clip. My fan has 2" of clearance.
>
> Do you have a fixed fan or a clutch fan? Mine is fixed.

Mine is fixed.

There also is
> a 1" spacer between the fan and the waterpump pulley. This spacer could
> either be cut down or removed if I needed more room.

Mine has about a 1/4" spacer.

>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Aaron Graham wrote:
> >
> > My fan and pully look exactly the same as the one in the picture. I
> > think my fiberglass body was either made wrong or installed wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <3F0D9399.CBCEDAE4@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > You have the wrong fan on it or the wrong fan clutch on it.
> > >
> > > 1" is 'way' too close.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi-
> > > > As some of you may know I had my fan hit my radiator last month
> > > > while
> > > > 4-wheeling. I replaced the radiato, body mounts, and transmission
> > > > mount. I went 4 wheeling July 5th and had it happen again, not as
> > > > bad
> > > > this time, it just grazed the radiator. I have played around with
> > > > my
> > > > radiator some now and have it so there is about 1 inch of space
> > > > between
> > > > the fan and radiator(still not enough in my mind).
> > > >
> > > > I have seen on this site:
> > > > http://members.cox.net/~mhelmstetter...or_measure.jpg
> > > > the he has 2 5/8".
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to find what everyone else normally has in a CJ with a
> > > > 258.
> > > >
> > > > I see that he has a 2 core radiator where I have a 3 core so that
> > > > is
> > > > part of the difference.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I can tell my transmission and motor mounts are all good
> > > > and
> > > > aligned correctly.
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > --
> > Aaron Graham
> > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > o_o_o_o
> > /| ,[_____],
> > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
--
Aaron Graham
http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
o_o_o_o
/| ,[_____],
|¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)

Re: CJ7 & 258 fan to radiator measurement
 

Mine is about 46"(yes from the back edge of the bracket!) but then again
the body mount brackets have been replaced so they could be different.
I know some fiberglass bodies have the mounts in different places, that
is why the install kits include a plate to connect mounts 3 & 4 on each
side, then the body mounts to the plate. Maybe instead of doing the
plate the p.o. just moved the bracket. My rear wheel is centered in the
wheel well so I don't think the body is off 4 inches.

Man the more I learn about this Jeep the more it makes me wonder if I
should have bought it or just kept looking......

How much room do you have between the motor and the firewall? I think I
have about 3 inches.



In article <3F0DB685.DD1C6B92@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Try this then, from the body mount bracket on the frame above the front
> rear spring hanger to the edge of the rear of the tub is 42.5" on mine.
>
> Mike
>
> Aaron Graham wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F0DA1AF.11AB3EB9@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > How much overhang does the body have at the back cross member?
> > >
> > > Mine is flush.
> > >
> >
> > Mine is flush with the crossmember that is there, but the back portion
> > of the frame was also replaced so it could be wrong also.
> >
> > > I have my rad sitting on a frame I built so it free stands. I have
> > > the
> > > one piece front clip. My fan has 2" of clearance.
> > >
> > > Do you have a fixed fan or a clutch fan? Mine is fixed.
> >
> > Mine is fixed.
> >
> > There also is
> > > a 1" spacer between the fan and the waterpump pulley. This spacer
> > > could
> > > either be cut down or removed if I needed more room.
> >
> > Mine has about a 1/4" spacer.
> >
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My fan and pully look exactly the same as the one in the picture.
> > > > I
> > > > think my fiberglass body was either made wrong or installed wrong.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In article <3F0D9399.CBCEDAE4@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You have the wrong fan on it or the wrong fan clutch on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1" is 'way' too close.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi-
> > > > > > As some of you may know I had my fan hit my radiator last month
> > > > > > while
> > > > > > 4-wheeling. I replaced the radiato, body mounts, and
> > > > > > transmission
> > > > > > mount. I went 4 wheeling July 5th and had it happen again, not
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > bad
> > > > > > this time, it just grazed the radiator. I have played around
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > radiator some now and have it so there is about 1 inch of space
> > > > > > between
> > > > > > the fan and radiator(still not enough in my mind).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have seen on this site:
> > > > > > http://members.cox.net/~mhelmstetter...or_measure.jpg
> > > > > > the he has 2 5/8".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to find what everyone else normally has in a CJ
> > > > > > with a
> > > > > > 258.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see that he has a 2 core radiator where I have a 3 core so
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > part of the difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as I can tell my transmission and motor mounts are all
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > aligned correctly.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > --
> > Aaron Graham
> > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > o_o_o_o
> > /| ,[_____],
> > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
--
Aaron Graham
http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
o_o_o_o
/| ,[_____],
|¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)

Re: CJ7 & 258 fan to radiator measurement
 

The tub is likely in the wrong place.

From the back of the tub measuring straight over/down to the physical
center of the spring bolt, I have 48 1/4".

I have 1" from the valve cover top to the firewall, barely a finger
width down at the edge of the valve cover.

My rear wheel is 'not' centered in the opening. If I put a level down
from the edge of the flair in the back, the level touches my 33" tire.
If I do the same on the front of the flair, I have 2" of clearance from
the level.

Mike

Aaron Graham wrote:
>
> Mine is about 46"(yes from the back edge of the bracket!) but then again
> the body mount brackets have been replaced so they could be different.
> I know some fiberglass bodies have the mounts in different places, that
> is why the install kits include a plate to connect mounts 3 & 4 on each
> side, then the body mounts to the plate. Maybe instead of doing the
> plate the p.o. just moved the bracket. My rear wheel is centered in the
> wheel well so I don't think the body is off 4 inches.
>
> Man the more I learn about this Jeep the more it makes me wonder if I
> should have bought it or just kept looking......
>
> How much room do you have between the motor and the firewall? I think I
> have about 3 inches.
>
> In article <3F0DB685.DD1C6B92@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Try this then, from the body mount bracket on the frame above the front
> > rear spring hanger to the edge of the rear of the tub is 42.5" on mine.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3F0DA1AF.11AB3EB9@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How much overhang does the body have at the back cross member?
> > > >
> > > > Mine is flush.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mine is flush with the crossmember that is there, but the back portion
> > > of the frame was also replaced so it could be wrong also.
> > >
> > > > I have my rad sitting on a frame I built so it free stands. I have
> > > > the
> > > > one piece front clip. My fan has 2" of clearance.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have a fixed fan or a clutch fan? Mine is fixed.
> > >
> > > Mine is fixed.
> > >
> > > There also is
> > > > a 1" spacer between the fan and the waterpump pulley. This spacer
> > > > could
> > > > either be cut down or removed if I needed more room.
> > >
> > > Mine has about a 1/4" spacer.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My fan and pully look exactly the same as the one in the picture.
> > > > > I
> > > > > think my fiberglass body was either made wrong or installed wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <3F0D9399.CBCEDAE4@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You have the wrong fan on it or the wrong fan clutch on it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1" is 'way' too close.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi-
> > > > > > > As some of you may know I had my fan hit my radiator last month
> > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > 4-wheeling. I replaced the radiato, body mounts, and
> > > > > > > transmission
> > > > > > > mount. I went 4 wheeling July 5th and had it happen again, not
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > bad
> > > > > > > this time, it just grazed the radiator. I have played around
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > radiator some now and have it so there is about 1 inch of space
> > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > the fan and radiator(still not enough in my mind).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have seen on this site:
> > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/~mhelmstetter...or_measure.jpg
> > > > > > > the he has 2 5/8".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am trying to find what everyone else normally has in a CJ
> > > > > > > with a
> > > > > > > 258.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see that he has a 2 core radiator where I have a 3 core so
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > part of the difference.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as I can tell my transmission and motor mounts are all
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > aligned correctly.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > --
> > > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > --
> > > Aaron Graham
> > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > /| ,[_____],
> > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> --
> Aaron Graham
> http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> o_o_o_o
> /| ,[_____],
> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)

Re: CJ7 & 258 fan to radiator measurement
 

Oh, my old steel body had the same rear wheel in the hole alignment and
would 'just' tag the rear flair under full flex before my lift.

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> The tub is likely in the wrong place.
>
> From the back of the tub measuring straight over/down to the physical
> center of the spring bolt, I have 48 1/4".
>
> I have 1" from the valve cover top to the firewall, barely a finger
> width down at the edge of the valve cover.
>
> My rear wheel is 'not' centered in the opening. If I put a level down
> from the edge of the flair in the back, the level touches my 33" tire.
> If I do the same on the front of the flair, I have 2" of clearance from
> the level.
>
> Mike
>
> Aaron Graham wrote:
> >
> > Mine is about 46"(yes from the back edge of the bracket!) but then again
> > the body mount brackets have been replaced so they could be different.
> > I know some fiberglass bodies have the mounts in different places, that
> > is why the install kits include a plate to connect mounts 3 & 4 on each
> > side, then the body mounts to the plate. Maybe instead of doing the
> > plate the p.o. just moved the bracket. My rear wheel is centered in the
> > wheel well so I don't think the body is off 4 inches.
> >
> > Man the more I learn about this Jeep the more it makes me wonder if I
> > should have bought it or just kept looking......
> >
> > How much room do you have between the motor and the firewall? I think I
> > have about 3 inches.
> >
> > In article <3F0DB685.DD1C6B92@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Try this then, from the body mount bracket on the frame above the front
> > > rear spring hanger to the edge of the rear of the tub is 42.5" on mine.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <3F0DA1AF.11AB3EB9@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > How much overhang does the body have at the back cross member?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mine is flush.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mine is flush with the crossmember that is there, but the back portion
> > > > of the frame was also replaced so it could be wrong also.
> > > >
> > > > > I have my rad sitting on a frame I built so it free stands. I have
> > > > > the
> > > > > one piece front clip. My fan has 2" of clearance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have a fixed fan or a clutch fan? Mine is fixed.
> > > >
> > > > Mine is fixed.
> > > >
> > > > There also is
> > > > > a 1" spacer between the fan and the waterpump pulley. This spacer
> > > > > could
> > > > > either be cut down or removed if I needed more room.
> > > >
> > > > Mine has about a 1/4" spacer.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My fan and pully look exactly the same as the one in the picture.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > think my fiberglass body was either made wrong or installed wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article <3F0D9399.CBCEDAE4@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain
> > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You have the wrong fan on it or the wrong fan clutch on it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1" is 'way' too close.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Aaron Graham wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi-
> > > > > > > > As some of you may know I had my fan hit my radiator last month
> > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > 4-wheeling. I replaced the radiato, body mounts, and
> > > > > > > > transmission
> > > > > > > > mount. I went 4 wheeling July 5th and had it happen again, not
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > bad
> > > > > > > > this time, it just grazed the radiator. I have played around
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > radiator some now and have it so there is about 1 inch of space
> > > > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > the fan and radiator(still not enough in my mind).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have seen on this site:
> > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/~mhelmstetter...or_measure.jpg
> > > > > > > > the he has 2 5/8".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am trying to find what everyone else normally has in a CJ
> > > > > > > > with a
> > > > > > > > 258.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see that he has a 2 core radiator where I have a 3 core so
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > part of the difference.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As far as I can tell my transmission and motor mounts are all
> > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > aligned correctly.
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > > > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron Graham
> > > > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > > > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > --
> > Aaron Graham
> > http://homepage.mac.com/aarongraham
> > 1948 Willys & 1979 CJ7
> > o_o_o_o
> > /| ,[_____],
> > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)