Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire
I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was not getting any spark when the engine was turning
I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem. Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to wait at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things

I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am weary of doin
that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2 to 2 times th
price in the USA

I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure which way to g
now

Thank yo
Nadi

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Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

I deleted several posts so I am sorry, I do not know what other replies
would have been to this, forgive me if I repeat something that someone else
has suggested.

Sometimes just throwing parts at a problem can be more expensive than taking
your rig in to thew shop.
By throwing parts at an unknown issue, you are essentially wasting your time
and money. It may be time to bite the bullet and take it in to a shop and
have it diagnosed.

You say below that you changed the CPS "just in case you are not getting
spark" when the engine is running. Have you not checked for spark? That
there is a biggie!
Do you know how?
Get two pairs of rubber handled pliers
Remove a plug wire from the spark plug,
Pull the boot back from the tip of the plug wire if you can
If not use a piece of wire like a paperclip. Be sure it is bent into a U so
it will get contact. Stuff it into the end of the plug wire so it gets good
contact with the metal tip on the plug wire. Set it where it will not touch
anything metal or electrical and start the vehicle.
Hold the tip of the wire close to the engine block where it's metal and look
for spark.

Have you checked your fuel pressure, fuel filter, rotor, distributor cap,
coil ?

Have you a Service manual for the beastie?

KJK


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:
: Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
: I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was not
getting any spark when the engine was turning.
: I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem.
Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to wait
at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
:
: I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am
weary of doing
: that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2
to 2 times the
: price in the USA.
:
: I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure
which way to go
: now.
:
: Thank you
: Nadim
:
:
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:
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Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

I deleted several posts so I am sorry, I do not know what other replies
would have been to this, forgive me if I repeat something that someone else
has suggested.

Sometimes just throwing parts at a problem can be more expensive than taking
your rig in to thew shop.
By throwing parts at an unknown issue, you are essentially wasting your time
and money. It may be time to bite the bullet and take it in to a shop and
have it diagnosed.

You say below that you changed the CPS "just in case you are not getting
spark" when the engine is running. Have you not checked for spark? That
there is a biggie!
Do you know how?
Get two pairs of rubber handled pliers
Remove a plug wire from the spark plug,
Pull the boot back from the tip of the plug wire if you can
If not use a piece of wire like a paperclip. Be sure it is bent into a U so
it will get contact. Stuff it into the end of the plug wire so it gets good
contact with the metal tip on the plug wire. Set it where it will not touch
anything metal or electrical and start the vehicle.
Hold the tip of the wire close to the engine block where it's metal and look
for spark.

Have you checked your fuel pressure, fuel filter, rotor, distributor cap,
coil ?

Have you a Service manual for the beastie?

KJK


"nelkhour" <nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
news:nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net...
:
: Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
: I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was not
getting any spark when the engine was turning.
: I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem.
Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to wait
at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
:
: I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am
weary of doing
: that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2
to 2 times the
: price in the USA.
:
: I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure
which way to go
: now.
:
: Thank you
: Nadim
:
:
: --
: nelkhour
:
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

I deleted several posts so I am sorry, I do not know what other replies
would have been to this, forgive me if I repeat something that someone else
has suggested.

Sometimes just throwing parts at a problem can be more expensive than taking
your rig in to thew shop.
By throwing parts at an unknown issue, you are essentially wasting your time
and money. It may be time to bite the bullet and take it in to a shop and
have it diagnosed.

You say below that you changed the CPS "just in case you are not getting
spark" when the engine is running. Have you not checked for spark? That
there is a biggie!
Do you know how?
Get two pairs of rubber handled pliers
Remove a plug wire from the spark plug,
Pull the boot back from the tip of the plug wire if you can
If not use a piece of wire like a paperclip. Be sure it is bent into a U so
it will get contact. Stuff it into the end of the plug wire so it gets good
contact with the metal tip on the plug wire. Set it where it will not touch
anything metal or electrical and start the vehicle.
Hold the tip of the wire close to the engine block where it's metal and look
for spark.

Have you checked your fuel pressure, fuel filter, rotor, distributor cap,
coil ?

Have you a Service manual for the beastie?

KJK


"nelkhour" <nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
news:nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net...
:
: Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
: I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was not
getting any spark when the engine was turning.
: I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem.
Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to wait
at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
:
: I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am
weary of doing
: that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2
to 2 times the
: price in the USA.
:
: I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure
which way to go
: now.
:
: Thank you
: Nadim
:
:
: --
: nelkhour
:
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Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

Kate,

Heh, he's in the "Middle East" somewhere. I imagine that taking it in to a
shop, capable of diagnosing a Jeep with a problem, might be a bigger bullet
than either you or I imagine. Nadim, I see from past posts that you have
changed the fuel pump relay. I think the next step is to follow Kate's
advice and look for spark when cranking. Purchase of a service manual seems
like an indispensable step too. I recommend the factory service manual from
Chrysler Corporation. It is expensive, but will have good troubleshooting
advice for this problem.

Earle

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:w7Blf.615$wP3.501@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I deleted several posts so I am sorry, I do not know what other replies
> would have been to this, forgive me if I repeat something that someone
else
> has suggested.
>
> Sometimes just throwing parts at a problem can be more expensive than
taking
> your rig in to thew shop.
> By throwing parts at an unknown issue, you are essentially wasting your
time
> and money. It may be time to bite the bullet and take it in to a shop and
> have it diagnosed.
>
> You say below that you changed the CPS "just in case you are not getting
> spark" when the engine is running. Have you not checked for spark? That
> there is a biggie!
> Do you know how?
> Get two pairs of rubber handled pliers
> Remove a plug wire from the spark plug,
> Pull the boot back from the tip of the plug wire if you can
> If not use a piece of wire like a paperclip. Be sure it is bent into a U
so
> it will get contact. Stuff it into the end of the plug wire so it gets
good
> contact with the metal tip on the plug wire. Set it where it will not
touch
> anything metal or electrical and start the vehicle.
> Hold the tip of the wire close to the engine block where it's metal and
look
> for spark.
>
> Have you checked your fuel pressure, fuel filter, rotor, distributor cap,
> coil ?
>
> Have you a Service manual for the beastie?
>
> KJK
>
>
> "nelkhour" <nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
> news:nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net...
> :
> : Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
> : I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was
not
> getting any spark when the engine was turning.
> : I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem.
> Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to
wait
> at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
> :
> : I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am
> weary of doing
> : that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2
> to 2 times the
> : price in the USA.
> :
> : I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure
> which way to go
> : now.
> :
> : Thank you
> : Nadim
> :
> :
> : --
> : nelkhour
> :
> : ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> : View this thread: http://www.carstalk.net/viewtopic-360641.html
> :
> : Send from http://www.carstalk.net
> :
>
>

Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

Kate,

Heh, he's in the "Middle East" somewhere. I imagine that taking it in to a
shop, capable of diagnosing a Jeep with a problem, might be a bigger bullet
than either you or I imagine. Nadim, I see from past posts that you have
changed the fuel pump relay. I think the next step is to follow Kate's
advice and look for spark when cranking. Purchase of a service manual seems
like an indispensable step too. I recommend the factory service manual from
Chrysler Corporation. It is expensive, but will have good troubleshooting
advice for this problem.

Earle

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:w7Blf.615$wP3.501@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I deleted several posts so I am sorry, I do not know what other replies
> would have been to this, forgive me if I repeat something that someone
else
> has suggested.
>
> Sometimes just throwing parts at a problem can be more expensive than
taking
> your rig in to thew shop.
> By throwing parts at an unknown issue, you are essentially wasting your
time
> and money. It may be time to bite the bullet and take it in to a shop and
> have it diagnosed.
>
> You say below that you changed the CPS "just in case you are not getting
> spark" when the engine is running. Have you not checked for spark? That
> there is a biggie!
> Do you know how?
> Get two pairs of rubber handled pliers
> Remove a plug wire from the spark plug,
> Pull the boot back from the tip of the plug wire if you can
> If not use a piece of wire like a paperclip. Be sure it is bent into a U
so
> it will get contact. Stuff it into the end of the plug wire so it gets
good
> contact with the metal tip on the plug wire. Set it where it will not
touch
> anything metal or electrical and start the vehicle.
> Hold the tip of the wire close to the engine block where it's metal and
look
> for spark.
>
> Have you checked your fuel pressure, fuel filter, rotor, distributor cap,
> coil ?
>
> Have you a Service manual for the beastie?
>
> KJK
>
>
> "nelkhour" <nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
> news:nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net...
> :
> : Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
> : I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was
not
> getting any spark when the engine was turning.
> : I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem.
> Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to
wait
> at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
> :
> : I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am
> weary of doing
> : that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2
> to 2 times the
> : price in the USA.
> :
> : I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure
> which way to go
> : now.
> :
> : Thank you
> : Nadim
> :
> :
> : --
> : nelkhour
> :
> : ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> : View this thread: http://www.carstalk.net/viewtopic-360641.html
> :
> : Send from http://www.carstalk.net
> :
>
>

Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

Kate,

Heh, he's in the "Middle East" somewhere. I imagine that taking it in to a
shop, capable of diagnosing a Jeep with a problem, might be a bigger bullet
than either you or I imagine. Nadim, I see from past posts that you have
changed the fuel pump relay. I think the next step is to follow Kate's
advice and look for spark when cranking. Purchase of a service manual seems
like an indispensable step too. I recommend the factory service manual from
Chrysler Corporation. It is expensive, but will have good troubleshooting
advice for this problem.

Earle

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:w7Blf.615$wP3.501@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I deleted several posts so I am sorry, I do not know what other replies
> would have been to this, forgive me if I repeat something that someone
else
> has suggested.
>
> Sometimes just throwing parts at a problem can be more expensive than
taking
> your rig in to thew shop.
> By throwing parts at an unknown issue, you are essentially wasting your
time
> and money. It may be time to bite the bullet and take it in to a shop and
> have it diagnosed.
>
> You say below that you changed the CPS "just in case you are not getting
> spark" when the engine is running. Have you not checked for spark? That
> there is a biggie!
> Do you know how?
> Get two pairs of rubber handled pliers
> Remove a plug wire from the spark plug,
> Pull the boot back from the tip of the plug wire if you can
> If not use a piece of wire like a paperclip. Be sure it is bent into a U
so
> it will get contact. Stuff it into the end of the plug wire so it gets
good
> contact with the metal tip on the plug wire. Set it where it will not
touch
> anything metal or electrical and start the vehicle.
> Hold the tip of the wire close to the engine block where it's metal and
look
> for spark.
>
> Have you checked your fuel pressure, fuel filter, rotor, distributor cap,
> coil ?
>
> Have you a Service manual for the beastie?
>
> KJK
>
>
> "nelkhour" <nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
> news:nelkhour.1znyqu@no-mx.carstalk.net...
> :
> : Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
> : I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was
not
> getting any spark when the engine was turning.
> : I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem.
> Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to
wait
> at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
> :
> : I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am
> weary of doing
> : that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2
> to 2 times the
> : price in the USA.
> :
> : I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure
> which way to go
> : now.
> :
> : Thank you
> : Nadim
> :
> :
> : --
> : nelkhour
> :
> : ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> : View this thread: http://www.carstalk.net/viewtopic-360641.html
> :
> : Send from http://www.carstalk.net
> :
>
>

Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

I would be checking the ground strap that runs from the rear of the
engine head to the firewall. If bad, it can cause strange symptoms and
ground theft or loop issues.

You can maybe test it with a booster cable. I run the booster from the
battery to a metal spot on the firewall to see if the symptoms change.

The ground for the fuel pump is maybe dirty? I think it is located
attached to the frame of the emergency brake bracket under the dash.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

nelkhour wrote:
>
> Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
> I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was not getting any spark when the engine was turning.
> I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem. Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to wait at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
>
> I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am weary of doing
> that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2 to 2 times the
> price in the USA.
>
> I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure which way to go
> now.
>
> Thank you
> Nadim
>
> --
> nelkhour
>
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Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

I would be checking the ground strap that runs from the rear of the
engine head to the firewall. If bad, it can cause strange symptoms and
ground theft or loop issues.

You can maybe test it with a booster cable. I run the booster from the
battery to a metal spot on the firewall to see if the symptoms change.

The ground for the fuel pump is maybe dirty? I think it is located
attached to the frame of the emergency brake bracket under the dash.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

nelkhour wrote:
>
> Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
> I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was not getting any spark when the engine was turning.
> I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem. Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to wait at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
>
> I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am weary of doing
> that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2 to 2 times the
> price in the USA.
>
> I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure which way to go
> now.
>
> Thank you
> Nadim
>
> --
> nelkhour
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> View this thread: http://www.carstalk.net/viewtopic-360641.html
>
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Re: 1992 Wrangler won't start in Morning
 

I would be checking the ground strap that runs from the rear of the
engine head to the firewall. If bad, it can cause strange symptoms and
ground theft or loop issues.

You can maybe test it with a booster cable. I run the booster from the
battery to a metal spot on the firewall to see if the symptoms change.

The ground for the fuel pump is maybe dirty? I think it is located
attached to the frame of the emergency brake bracket under the dash.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

nelkhour wrote:
>
> Okay, I have changed the plug wires and coil wire,
> I have changed the Crankshaft Position Sensor just in case since I was not getting any spark when the engine was turning.
> I have changed the Starter and I am still having the same problem. Whenever the car is cold or have cooled down it won't start. I have to wait at least 5 to 10 minutes before the PCM activates things.
>
> I am thinking of changing the Camshaft position sensor next, but I am weary of doing
> that since these parts are very expensive here in the Middle East. 1 1/2 to 2 times the
> price in the USA.
>
> I'd really appreciate any help on this matter. I am basically not sure which way to go
> now.
>
> Thank you
> Nadim
>
> --
> nelkhour
>
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