Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

Fifth gear went out on my 94, four-cyl. wrangler (I think it's an
AX-5 transmission). I took the tranny down and removed the rear half
of the housing, and sure enough the fifth gear and the fifth counter-
gear and the counter-gear needle bearing were all chewed up. So, I
replaced all that stuff and everything else seemed to be working
perfectly.

But just as I was getting ready to re-mount it on the Jeep, I
discovered another possible problem: Under some conditions, the
reverse counter-gear can slide on its shaft toward the front end of
the transmission EVEN THOUGH ALL THREE SHIFTER FORKS ARE STILL IN THE
NEUTRAL POSITION! And once this happens, the transmission thinks it's
in reverse, and there's no way to get it disengaged by moving the
shifter forks -- in fact the shifter forks are all 'locked' in the
neutral position at that point. The only way I get get it out of
reverse again is to reach in through one of the oil-holes with a
hooked tool and pull the gear back.

The only reason I happened to discover this was that I had propped the
transmission up in a vertical position (with the input shaft downward)
when I was putting the silicone rubber on the flanges to bolt the two
halves of the case back together. And apparently, the reverse counter-
gear just slipped back on its shaft under its own weight.

My question is: Is this normal behaviour, or is something loose /
broken up in the front half of the tranny case??? Obviously, in
normal operation, once the tranny is mounted on the vehicle, it's
never going to be in a situation where the input shaft is pointing
straight down -- or at least I sure hope I'm never in that situation
[grin]! As long as the tranny is sitting horizontally on my
workbench, I can move all three shifter forks in & out of all their
correct positions and everything moves smoothly, unless I deliberately
reach in with a long screwdriver and push (fairly hard) on the reverse
counter-gear.

Thanx in Advance.

Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

Something is broken I think.

Just FYI, I put my Jeep nose down big time lots when crossing creeks or
going down ravine banks. Those would 'not' be a good time to get stuck
in reverse....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

jwallacq@hotmail.com wrote:
> Fifth gear went out on my 94, four-cyl. wrangler (I think it's an
> AX-5 transmission). I took the tranny down and removed the rear half
> of the housing, and sure enough the fifth gear and the fifth counter-
> gear and the counter-gear needle bearing were all chewed up. So, I
> replaced all that stuff and everything else seemed to be working
> perfectly.
>
> But just as I was getting ready to re-mount it on the Jeep, I
> discovered another possible problem: Under some conditions, the
> reverse counter-gear can slide on its shaft toward the front end of
> the transmission EVEN THOUGH ALL THREE SHIFTER FORKS ARE STILL IN THE
> NEUTRAL POSITION! And once this happens, the transmission thinks it's
> in reverse, and there's no way to get it disengaged by moving the
> shifter forks -- in fact the shifter forks are all 'locked' in the
> neutral position at that point. The only way I get get it out of
> reverse again is to reach in through one of the oil-holes with a
> hooked tool and pull the gear back.
>
> The only reason I happened to discover this was that I had propped the
> transmission up in a vertical position (with the input shaft downward)
> when I was putting the silicone rubber on the flanges to bolt the two
> halves of the case back together. And apparently, the reverse counter-
> gear just slipped back on its shaft under its own weight.
>
> My question is: Is this normal behaviour, or is something loose /
> broken up in the front half of the tranny case??? Obviously, in
> normal operation, once the tranny is mounted on the vehicle, it's
> never going to be in a situation where the input shaft is pointing
> straight down -- or at least I sure hope I'm never in that situation
> [grin]! As long as the tranny is sitting horizontally on my
> workbench, I can move all three shifter forks in & out of all their
> correct positions and everything moves smoothly, unless I deliberately
> reach in with a long screwdriver and push (fairly hard) on the reverse
> counter-gear.
>
> Thanx in Advance.
>

Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

Something is broken I think.

Just FYI, I put my Jeep nose down big time lots when crossing creeks or
going down ravine banks. Those would 'not' be a good time to get stuck
in reverse....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

jwallacq@hotmail.com wrote:
> Fifth gear went out on my 94, four-cyl. wrangler (I think it's an
> AX-5 transmission). I took the tranny down and removed the rear half
> of the housing, and sure enough the fifth gear and the fifth counter-
> gear and the counter-gear needle bearing were all chewed up. So, I
> replaced all that stuff and everything else seemed to be working
> perfectly.
>
> But just as I was getting ready to re-mount it on the Jeep, I
> discovered another possible problem: Under some conditions, the
> reverse counter-gear can slide on its shaft toward the front end of
> the transmission EVEN THOUGH ALL THREE SHIFTER FORKS ARE STILL IN THE
> NEUTRAL POSITION! And once this happens, the transmission thinks it's
> in reverse, and there's no way to get it disengaged by moving the
> shifter forks -- in fact the shifter forks are all 'locked' in the
> neutral position at that point. The only way I get get it out of
> reverse again is to reach in through one of the oil-holes with a
> hooked tool and pull the gear back.
>
> The only reason I happened to discover this was that I had propped the
> transmission up in a vertical position (with the input shaft downward)
> when I was putting the silicone rubber on the flanges to bolt the two
> halves of the case back together. And apparently, the reverse counter-
> gear just slipped back on its shaft under its own weight.
>
> My question is: Is this normal behaviour, or is something loose /
> broken up in the front half of the tranny case??? Obviously, in
> normal operation, once the tranny is mounted on the vehicle, it's
> never going to be in a situation where the input shaft is pointing
> straight down -- or at least I sure hope I'm never in that situation
> [grin]! As long as the tranny is sitting horizontally on my
> workbench, I can move all three shifter forks in & out of all their
> correct positions and everything moves smoothly, unless I deliberately
> reach in with a long screwdriver and push (fairly hard) on the reverse
> counter-gear.
>
> Thanx in Advance.
>

Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

Something is broken I think.

Just FYI, I put my Jeep nose down big time lots when crossing creeks or
going down ravine banks. Those would 'not' be a good time to get stuck
in reverse....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

jwallacq@hotmail.com wrote:
> Fifth gear went out on my 94, four-cyl. wrangler (I think it's an
> AX-5 transmission). I took the tranny down and removed the rear half
> of the housing, and sure enough the fifth gear and the fifth counter-
> gear and the counter-gear needle bearing were all chewed up. So, I
> replaced all that stuff and everything else seemed to be working
> perfectly.
>
> But just as I was getting ready to re-mount it on the Jeep, I
> discovered another possible problem: Under some conditions, the
> reverse counter-gear can slide on its shaft toward the front end of
> the transmission EVEN THOUGH ALL THREE SHIFTER FORKS ARE STILL IN THE
> NEUTRAL POSITION! And once this happens, the transmission thinks it's
> in reverse, and there's no way to get it disengaged by moving the
> shifter forks -- in fact the shifter forks are all 'locked' in the
> neutral position at that point. The only way I get get it out of
> reverse again is to reach in through one of the oil-holes with a
> hooked tool and pull the gear back.
>
> The only reason I happened to discover this was that I had propped the
> transmission up in a vertical position (with the input shaft downward)
> when I was putting the silicone rubber on the flanges to bolt the two
> halves of the case back together. And apparently, the reverse counter-
> gear just slipped back on its shaft under its own weight.
>
> My question is: Is this normal behaviour, or is something loose /
> broken up in the front half of the tranny case??? Obviously, in
> normal operation, once the tranny is mounted on the vehicle, it's
> never going to be in a situation where the input shaft is pointing
> straight down -- or at least I sure hope I'm never in that situation
> [grin]! As long as the tranny is sitting horizontally on my
> workbench, I can move all three shifter forks in & out of all their
> correct positions and everything moves smoothly, unless I deliberately
> reach in with a long screwdriver and push (fairly hard) on the reverse
> counter-gear.
>
> Thanx in Advance.
>

Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

I would take it apart, the reverse slider should be locked into that
combination of levers on page 13 of:
http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf of what the Japanese call a
fork???????
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf

<jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174327824.880373.194270@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
> Fifth gear went out on my 94, four-cyl. wrangler (I think it's an
> AX-5 transmission). I took the tranny down and removed the rear half
> of the housing, and sure enough the fifth gear and the fifth counter-
> gear and the counter-gear needle bearing were all chewed up. So, I
> replaced all that stuff and everything else seemed to be working
> perfectly.
>
> But just as I was getting ready to re-mount it on the Jeep, I
> discovered another possible problem: Under some conditions, the
> reverse counter-gear can slide on its shaft toward the front end of
> the transmission EVEN THOUGH ALL THREE SHIFTER FORKS ARE STILL IN THE
> NEUTRAL POSITION! And once this happens, the transmission thinks it's
> in reverse, and there's no way to get it disengaged by moving the
> shifter forks -- in fact the shifter forks are all 'locked' in the
> neutral position at that point. The only way I get get it out of
> reverse again is to reach in through one of the oil-holes with a
> hooked tool and pull the gear back.
>
> The only reason I happened to discover this was that I had propped the
> transmission up in a vertical position (with the input shaft downward)
> when I was putting the silicone rubber on the flanges to bolt the two
> halves of the case back together. And apparently, the reverse counter-
> gear just slipped back on its shaft under its own weight.
>
> My question is: Is this normal behaviour, or is something loose /
> broken up in the front half of the tranny case??? Obviously, in
> normal operation, once the tranny is mounted on the vehicle, it's
> never going to be in a situation where the input shaft is pointing
> straight down -- or at least I sure hope I'm never in that situation
> [grin]! As long as the tranny is sitting horizontally on my
> workbench, I can move all three shifter forks in & out of all their
> correct positions and everything moves smoothly, unless I deliberately
> reach in with a long screwdriver and push (fairly hard) on the reverse
> counter-gear.
>
> Thanx in Advance.
>



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Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

I would take it apart, the reverse slider should be locked into that
combination of levers on page 13 of:
http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf of what the Japanese call a
fork???????
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf

<jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174327824.880373.194270@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
> Fifth gear went out on my 94, four-cyl. wrangler (I think it's an
> AX-5 transmission). I took the tranny down and removed the rear half
> of the housing, and sure enough the fifth gear and the fifth counter-
> gear and the counter-gear needle bearing were all chewed up. So, I
> replaced all that stuff and everything else seemed to be working
> perfectly.
>
> But just as I was getting ready to re-mount it on the Jeep, I
> discovered another possible problem: Under some conditions, the
> reverse counter-gear can slide on its shaft toward the front end of
> the transmission EVEN THOUGH ALL THREE SHIFTER FORKS ARE STILL IN THE
> NEUTRAL POSITION! And once this happens, the transmission thinks it's
> in reverse, and there's no way to get it disengaged by moving the
> shifter forks -- in fact the shifter forks are all 'locked' in the
> neutral position at that point. The only way I get get it out of
> reverse again is to reach in through one of the oil-holes with a
> hooked tool and pull the gear back.
>
> The only reason I happened to discover this was that I had propped the
> transmission up in a vertical position (with the input shaft downward)
> when I was putting the silicone rubber on the flanges to bolt the two
> halves of the case back together. And apparently, the reverse counter-
> gear just slipped back on its shaft under its own weight.
>
> My question is: Is this normal behaviour, or is something loose /
> broken up in the front half of the tranny case??? Obviously, in
> normal operation, once the tranny is mounted on the vehicle, it's
> never going to be in a situation where the input shaft is pointing
> straight down -- or at least I sure hope I'm never in that situation
> [grin]! As long as the tranny is sitting horizontally on my
> workbench, I can move all three shifter forks in & out of all their
> correct positions and everything moves smoothly, unless I deliberately
> reach in with a long screwdriver and push (fairly hard) on the reverse
> counter-gear.
>
> Thanx in Advance.
>



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Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

I would take it apart, the reverse slider should be locked into that
combination of levers on page 13 of:
http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf of what the Japanese call a
fork???????
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf

<jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174327824.880373.194270@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
> Fifth gear went out on my 94, four-cyl. wrangler (I think it's an
> AX-5 transmission). I took the tranny down and removed the rear half
> of the housing, and sure enough the fifth gear and the fifth counter-
> gear and the counter-gear needle bearing were all chewed up. So, I
> replaced all that stuff and everything else seemed to be working
> perfectly.
>
> But just as I was getting ready to re-mount it on the Jeep, I
> discovered another possible problem: Under some conditions, the
> reverse counter-gear can slide on its shaft toward the front end of
> the transmission EVEN THOUGH ALL THREE SHIFTER FORKS ARE STILL IN THE
> NEUTRAL POSITION! And once this happens, the transmission thinks it's
> in reverse, and there's no way to get it disengaged by moving the
> shifter forks -- in fact the shifter forks are all 'locked' in the
> neutral position at that point. The only way I get get it out of
> reverse again is to reach in through one of the oil-holes with a
> hooked tool and pull the gear back.
>
> The only reason I happened to discover this was that I had propped the
> transmission up in a vertical position (with the input shaft downward)
> when I was putting the silicone rubber on the flanges to bolt the two
> halves of the case back together. And apparently, the reverse counter-
> gear just slipped back on its shaft under its own weight.
>
> My question is: Is this normal behaviour, or is something loose /
> broken up in the front half of the tranny case??? Obviously, in
> normal operation, once the tranny is mounted on the vehicle, it's
> never going to be in a situation where the input shaft is pointing
> straight down -- or at least I sure hope I'm never in that situation
> [grin]! As long as the tranny is sitting horizontally on my
> workbench, I can move all three shifter forks in & out of all their
> correct positions and everything moves smoothly, unless I deliberately
> reach in with a long screwdriver and push (fairly hard) on the reverse
> counter-gear.
>
> Thanx in Advance.
>



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Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

Thanks for the advice. I'm going to work on ot this weekend.
Thanks also for the Link to the PDF file of the shop manual! That
sure has a lot more detail than the fuzzy little pictures in my
Chilton's book.



On Mar 19, 4:35 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:
> I would take it apart, the reverse slider should be locked into that
> combination of levers on page 13 of:http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdfof what the Japanese call a
> fork???????
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf
>
> <jwall...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174327824.880373.194270@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
>
>

Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

Thanks for the advice. I'm going to work on ot this weekend.
Thanks also for the Link to the PDF file of the shop manual! That
sure has a lot more detail than the fuzzy little pictures in my
Chilton's book.



On Mar 19, 4:35 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:
> I would take it apart, the reverse slider should be locked into that
> combination of levers on page 13 of:http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdfof what the Japanese call a
> fork???????
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf
>
> <jwall...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174327824.880373.194270@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
>
>

Re: Question about Wrangler Manual Transmission
 

Thanks for the advice. I'm going to work on ot this weekend.
Thanks also for the Link to the PDF file of the shop manual! That
sure has a lot more detail than the fuzzy little pictures in my
Chilton's book.



On Mar 19, 4:35 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:
> I would take it apart, the reverse slider should be locked into that
> combination of levers on page 13 of:http://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdfof what the Japanese call a
> fork???????
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/temp/ax5Trans.pdf
>
> <jwall...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174327824.880373.194270@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
>
>