Re: PS question
 

Great *.pdf file Bill, Thanks - that confirms it, my adjustor plug seal
is shot. I could possibly repair in place on my CJ7, but I think I will
remove the gear box anyway. I have been waiting for an excuse to upgrade.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> You may replace it in place if you feel you have enough room. A
> little snap ring backs the seal. Similar Saginaw, but punier shafts:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf Seal kit:
> http://www.rubicon4x4.com/catalog/st...-459_2103.html
> If you don't have a good parts guy.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
>
>>I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
>>a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
>>tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
>>need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
>>radius with my full width axles.

Re: PS question
 

Great *.pdf file Bill, Thanks - that confirms it, my adjustor plug seal
is shot. I could possibly repair in place on my CJ7, but I think I will
remove the gear box anyway. I have been waiting for an excuse to upgrade.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> You may replace it in place if you feel you have enough room. A
> little snap ring backs the seal. Similar Saginaw, but punier shafts:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf Seal kit:
> http://www.rubicon4x4.com/catalog/st...-459_2103.html
> If you don't have a good parts guy.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
>
>>I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
>>a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
>>tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
>>need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
>>radius with my full width axles.

Re: PS question
 

I'm not sure that a new box will give any improvement in turn radius.
In the XJ/MJ, the limit is the tires hitting the control arms and that
is set with stops on either side of the axle that block wheel
movement. If that wide D44 gives you enough extra width to swing the
tires further I would almost bet that you will need to change the
geometry with a longer pitman arm (swing length, not drop) but I don't
recall ever hearing of one of those.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:39:10 UTC HomeBrewer <HomeBrewer@cox.net>
wrote:

> I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> radius with my full width axles.
>
>
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Thanks, Doug. At least things are a little more accessible with the
> > fender and grill headers off. I can't believe how much I had to
> > remove to get that @#$%^ fender off. I'm hoping for a hose leak -
> > lots cheaper and easier to do that replacing the steering gear -
> > especially the pitman arm.
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:31:43 UTC "DougW"
> > <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Will Honea did pass the time by typing:
> >>
> >>>About a week back, I noticed a (new) small drip on the driveway.
> >>>Couple of days later, the PS fluid was a little low. Pulled the MJ
> >>>into the garage to repair a bit of tree rash on the fender and found a
> >>>big puddle the next morning. The PS is losing fluid fairly rapidly
> >>>and appears to be losing it just sitting. Will a steering gear seal
> >>>go bad that fast and allow a gravity drain? How about a hole in the
> >>>hose? I don't see an obvious leak when I crank the wheel with the
> >>>engine running but the hoses and gear are pretty well buried from
> >>>sight with the skid plate and mud panel in place so I thought i'd ask
> >>>before I start pulling pieces.
> >>
> >>Usually it's a hose and most often the return line.
> >>A leak in the pressure line will spray fluid all over the place.
> >>Leaks can happen in the O ring between the fluid reservoir and
> >>the pump.
> >>
> >>Your going to have to get in there and wipe everything down and clean
> >>it up, top off the fluid and idle it for a bit. Then go back and find
> >>your leak.
> >>
> >
> >
> >


--
Will Honea

Re: PS question
 

I'm not sure that a new box will give any improvement in turn radius.
In the XJ/MJ, the limit is the tires hitting the control arms and that
is set with stops on either side of the axle that block wheel
movement. If that wide D44 gives you enough extra width to swing the
tires further I would almost bet that you will need to change the
geometry with a longer pitman arm (swing length, not drop) but I don't
recall ever hearing of one of those.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:39:10 UTC HomeBrewer <HomeBrewer@cox.net>
wrote:

> I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> radius with my full width axles.
>
>
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Thanks, Doug. At least things are a little more accessible with the
> > fender and grill headers off. I can't believe how much I had to
> > remove to get that @#$%^ fender off. I'm hoping for a hose leak -
> > lots cheaper and easier to do that replacing the steering gear -
> > especially the pitman arm.
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:31:43 UTC "DougW"
> > <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Will Honea did pass the time by typing:
> >>
> >>>About a week back, I noticed a (new) small drip on the driveway.
> >>>Couple of days later, the PS fluid was a little low. Pulled the MJ
> >>>into the garage to repair a bit of tree rash on the fender and found a
> >>>big puddle the next morning. The PS is losing fluid fairly rapidly
> >>>and appears to be losing it just sitting. Will a steering gear seal
> >>>go bad that fast and allow a gravity drain? How about a hole in the
> >>>hose? I don't see an obvious leak when I crank the wheel with the
> >>>engine running but the hoses and gear are pretty well buried from
> >>>sight with the skid plate and mud panel in place so I thought i'd ask
> >>>before I start pulling pieces.
> >>
> >>Usually it's a hose and most often the return line.
> >>A leak in the pressure line will spray fluid all over the place.
> >>Leaks can happen in the O ring between the fluid reservoir and
> >>the pump.
> >>
> >>Your going to have to get in there and wipe everything down and clean
> >>it up, top off the fluid and idle it for a bit. Then go back and find
> >>your leak.
> >>
> >
> >
> >


--
Will Honea

Re: PS question
 

I'm not sure that a new box will give any improvement in turn radius.
In the XJ/MJ, the limit is the tires hitting the control arms and that
is set with stops on either side of the axle that block wheel
movement. If that wide D44 gives you enough extra width to swing the
tires further I would almost bet that you will need to change the
geometry with a longer pitman arm (swing length, not drop) but I don't
recall ever hearing of one of those.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:39:10 UTC HomeBrewer <HomeBrewer@cox.net>
wrote:

> I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> radius with my full width axles.
>
>
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Thanks, Doug. At least things are a little more accessible with the
> > fender and grill headers off. I can't believe how much I had to
> > remove to get that @#$%^ fender off. I'm hoping for a hose leak -
> > lots cheaper and easier to do that replacing the steering gear -
> > especially the pitman arm.
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:31:43 UTC "DougW"
> > <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Will Honea did pass the time by typing:
> >>
> >>>About a week back, I noticed a (new) small drip on the driveway.
> >>>Couple of days later, the PS fluid was a little low. Pulled the MJ
> >>>into the garage to repair a bit of tree rash on the fender and found a
> >>>big puddle the next morning. The PS is losing fluid fairly rapidly
> >>>and appears to be losing it just sitting. Will a steering gear seal
> >>>go bad that fast and allow a gravity drain? How about a hole in the
> >>>hose? I don't see an obvious leak when I crank the wheel with the
> >>>engine running but the hoses and gear are pretty well buried from
> >>>sight with the skid plate and mud panel in place so I thought i'd ask
> >>>before I start pulling pieces.
> >>
> >>Usually it's a hose and most often the return line.
> >>A leak in the pressure line will spray fluid all over the place.
> >>Leaks can happen in the O ring between the fluid reservoir and
> >>the pump.
> >>
> >>Your going to have to get in there and wipe everything down and clean
> >>it up, top off the fluid and idle it for a bit. Then go back and find
> >>your leak.
> >>
> >
> >
> >


--
Will Honea

Re: PS question
 

I have definite spots either side of center where I get a noticable
"drag" or hang so I think the balls/worm are shot in mine so the whole
gear sounds like a better plan for me. Opinions?

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:50:45 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> You may replace it in place if you feel you have enough room. A
> little snap ring backs the seal. Similar Saginaw, but punier shafts:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf Seal kit:
> http://www.rubicon4x4.com/catalog/st...-459_2103.html
> If you don't have a good parts guy.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> > a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> > tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> > need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> > radius with my full width axles.


--
Will Honea

Re: PS question
 

I have definite spots either side of center where I get a noticable
"drag" or hang so I think the balls/worm are shot in mine so the whole
gear sounds like a better plan for me. Opinions?

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:50:45 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> You may replace it in place if you feel you have enough room. A
> little snap ring backs the seal. Similar Saginaw, but punier shafts:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf Seal kit:
> http://www.rubicon4x4.com/catalog/st...-459_2103.html
> If you don't have a good parts guy.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> > a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> > tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> > need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> > radius with my full width axles.


--
Will Honea

Re: PS question
 

I have definite spots either side of center where I get a noticable
"drag" or hang so I think the balls/worm are shot in mine so the whole
gear sounds like a better plan for me. Opinions?

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:50:45 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> You may replace it in place if you feel you have enough room. A
> little snap ring backs the seal. Similar Saginaw, but punier shafts:
> http://www.----------.com/97TJpowersteering.pdf Seal kit:
> http://www.rubicon4x4.com/catalog/st...-459_2103.html
> If you don't have a good parts guy.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> HomeBrewer wrote:
> >
> > I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> > a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> > tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> > need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> > radius with my full width axles.


--
Will Honea

Re: PS question
 

Your existing gearbox is likely the best one out there!

All the newer ones are made cheap and fail fast, like the TJ one. It
pukes out all the time and the the oldest ones are only from 97!

Putting a kit into your gearbox is pretty easy to do and is best done on
the bench. You can change the adjuster plug seal by leaving everything
connected to the box and just lowering it a bit for room.

The turning radius is usually controlled by the steering stop adjustable
bolts or by the tire size limit when it hits fenders or springs. The
bolts are in the fronts of the steering knuckles and hit the axle tube
when turned all the way. Or they should hit before the tires do
anyway....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> radius with my full width axles.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Thanks, Doug. At least things are a little more accessible with the
> > fender and grill headers off. I can't believe how much I had to
> > remove to get that @#$%^ fender off. I'm hoping for a hose leak -
> > lots cheaper and easier to do that replacing the steering gear -
> > especially the pitman arm.
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:31:43 UTC "DougW"
> > <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Will Honea did pass the time by typing:
> >>
> >>>About a week back, I noticed a (new) small drip on the driveway.
> >>>Couple of days later, the PS fluid was a little low. Pulled the MJ
> >>>into the garage to repair a bit of tree rash on the fender and found a
> >>>big puddle the next morning. The PS is losing fluid fairly rapidly
> >>>and appears to be losing it just sitting. Will a steering gear seal
> >>>go bad that fast and allow a gravity drain? How about a hole in the
> >>>hose? I don't see an obvious leak when I crank the wheel with the
> >>>engine running but the hoses and gear are pretty well buried from
> >>>sight with the skid plate and mud panel in place so I thought i'd ask
> >>>before I start pulling pieces.
> >>
> >>Usually it's a hose and most often the return line.
> >>A leak in the pressure line will spray fluid all over the place.
> >>Leaks can happen in the O ring between the fluid reservoir and
> >>the pump.
> >>
> >>Your going to have to get in there and wipe everything down and clean
> >>it up, top off the fluid and idle it for a bit. Then go back and find
> >>your leak.
> >>
> >
> >
> >

Re: PS question
 

Your existing gearbox is likely the best one out there!

All the newer ones are made cheap and fail fast, like the TJ one. It
pukes out all the time and the the oldest ones are only from 97!

Putting a kit into your gearbox is pretty easy to do and is best done on
the bench. You can change the adjuster plug seal by leaving everything
connected to the box and just lowering it a bit for room.

The turning radius is usually controlled by the steering stop adjustable
bolts or by the tire size limit when it hits fenders or springs. The
bolts are in the fronts of the steering knuckles and hit the axle tube
when turned all the way. Or they should hit before the tires do
anyway....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> I got same problem today. I wiped everything down and now I know I have
> a leak where the steering arm enters the gear box. I am turning 36"
> tires on dana 44 front axle with the original 24 year old gear box. I
> need advice on what gear box to replace with to get a better turning
> radius with my full width axles.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Thanks, Doug. At least things are a little more accessible with the
> > fender and grill headers off. I can't believe how much I had to
> > remove to get that @#$%^ fender off. I'm hoping for a hose leak -
> > lots cheaper and easier to do that replacing the steering gear -
> > especially the pitman arm.
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:31:43 UTC "DougW"
> > <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Will Honea did pass the time by typing:
> >>
> >>>About a week back, I noticed a (new) small drip on the driveway.
> >>>Couple of days later, the PS fluid was a little low. Pulled the MJ
> >>>into the garage to repair a bit of tree rash on the fender and found a
> >>>big puddle the next morning. The PS is losing fluid fairly rapidly
> >>>and appears to be losing it just sitting. Will a steering gear seal
> >>>go bad that fast and allow a gravity drain? How about a hole in the
> >>>hose? I don't see an obvious leak when I crank the wheel with the
> >>>engine running but the hoses and gear are pretty well buried from
> >>>sight with the skid plate and mud panel in place so I thought i'd ask
> >>>before I start pulling pieces.
> >>
> >>Usually it's a hose and most often the return line.
> >>A leak in the pressure line will spray fluid all over the place.
> >>Leaks can happen in the O ring between the fluid reservoir and
> >>the pump.
> >>
> >>Your going to have to get in there and wipe everything down and clean
> >>it up, top off the fluid and idle it for a bit. Then go back and find
> >>your leak.
> >>
> >
> >
> >