pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both
and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
serg wrote:
> are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. If you get any contaminants in your brake fluid (like water) stainless will not rust. Other than that, dunno. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
serg wrote:
> are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. If you get any contaminants in your brake fluid (like water) stainless will not rust. Other than that, dunno. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.c om... > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. Well, if you want to do it again in another couple years, get the non-stainless ones. If you'd rather have less chance of rust problems, spend the extra $25 and get the stainless ones. For such a small difference in price, I wouldn't even think about NOT getting stainless.... |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.c om... > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. Well, if you want to do it again in another couple years, get the non-stainless ones. If you'd rather have less chance of rust problems, spend the extra $25 and get the stainless ones. For such a small difference in price, I wouldn't even think about NOT getting stainless.... |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >,
serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to replace my brake lines with SS. Thanks. -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >,
serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to replace my brake lines with SS. Thanks. -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" with your response. :) In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get >it? > >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays >'stain less'. > >Some are a total rip off for the cost. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >Peter Parker wrote: >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to >> replace my brake lines with SS. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" with your response. :) In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get >it? > >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays >'stain less'. > >Some are a total rip off for the cost. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >Peter Parker wrote: >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to >> replace my brake lines with SS. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail -- <html><form><input type crash></form></html> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Get the stainless lines.
BTW Stainless Steel WILL 'RUST'. Stainless is attacked by halide salts (the stuff used to melt snow on roads). Stainless also needs a constant supply of fresh oxygen to keep its surface from rusting/corroding. Internal to the lines there is NO means to supply the constant oxygen; hence, any water that eventually gets into the lines will promote 'rust' and corrosion. Stainless also is very vulnerable to 'crevice corrosion', a severe form of corrosion that forms in the roots of threads of screws/bolts etc., ... joints or anywhere stainless mechanically (not welded) touches another piece of stainless and becomes wetted ... the corrosion will penetrate into the microscopic grains of material and eventually 'cut' the part .... so if you choose stainless use as few 'joints' or threaded connections as possible. Common stainless does last longer but with halide corrosion and in places where it becomes wetted and becomes oxygen starved eventually catastrophically destroys itself .... it just takes a little longer to degrade than carbon steel. Just minimize the number of 'joints'. Is your TIME worth it? serg wrote: > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Get the stainless lines.
BTW Stainless Steel WILL 'RUST'. Stainless is attacked by halide salts (the stuff used to melt snow on roads). Stainless also needs a constant supply of fresh oxygen to keep its surface from rusting/corroding. Internal to the lines there is NO means to supply the constant oxygen; hence, any water that eventually gets into the lines will promote 'rust' and corrosion. Stainless also is very vulnerable to 'crevice corrosion', a severe form of corrosion that forms in the roots of threads of screws/bolts etc., ... joints or anywhere stainless mechanically (not welded) touches another piece of stainless and becomes wetted ... the corrosion will penetrate into the microscopic grains of material and eventually 'cut' the part .... so if you choose stainless use as few 'joints' or threaded connections as possible. Common stainless does last longer but with halide corrosion and in places where it becomes wetted and becomes oxygen starved eventually catastrophically destroys itself .... it just takes a little longer to degrade than carbon steel. Just minimize the number of 'joints'. Is your TIME worth it? serg wrote: > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
I bought the stainless lines from these people for a non-Jeep truck project,
and after 4 years there is not a hint of any type of corrosion. I also used the stainless fuel lines as well. They still look like the day I installed them. I believe at the time the brake lines were about $40 more for the stainless. To me this is a no brainer. Chris "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:934d0785.0308220739.6ddadc60@posting.google.c om... > thanks for the tip mike! > > peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they > also have the ss lines for sale. > http://www.inlinetube.com/ > > quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i > just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find > out before i buy. > > > > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>... > > Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting > > for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" > > with your response. :) > > > > > > In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get > > >it? > > > > > >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the > > >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays > > >'stain less'. > > > > > >Some are a total rip off for the cost. > > > > > >Mike > > >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > >Peter Parker wrote: > > >> > > >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, > > >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > > >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > > >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > > >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. > > >> > > >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would > > >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to > > >> replace my brake lines with SS. > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> > > >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
I bought the stainless lines from these people for a non-Jeep truck project,
and after 4 years there is not a hint of any type of corrosion. I also used the stainless fuel lines as well. They still look like the day I installed them. I believe at the time the brake lines were about $40 more for the stainless. To me this is a no brainer. Chris "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:934d0785.0308220739.6ddadc60@posting.google.c om... > thanks for the tip mike! > > peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they > also have the ss lines for sale. > http://www.inlinetube.com/ > > quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i > just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find > out before i buy. > > > > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>... > > Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting > > for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" > > with your response. :) > > > > > > In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get > > >it? > > > > > >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the > > >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays > > >'stain less'. > > > > > >Some are a total rip off for the cost. > > > > > >Mike > > >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > >Peter Parker wrote: > > >> > > >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, > > >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > > >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > > >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > > >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. > > >> > > >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would > > >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to > > >> replace my brake lines with SS. > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> > > >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Also, unless you have a bender, get the pre-bent type. If you kink one while
bending it yourself, it is toast. "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.c om... > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Also, unless you have a bender, get the pre-bent type. If you kink one while
bending it yourself, it is toast. "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.c om... > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
heh-i've pretty much decided on stainless...but i just thought to run
this by you guys... "someone" <someone@home.org> wrote in message news:<1ib1b.26073$Cd2.3274@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>.. . > "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.c om... > > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. > > > Well, if you want to do it again in another couple years, get the > non-stainless ones. If you'd rather have less chance of rust problems, > spend the extra $25 and get the stainless ones. For such a small difference > in price, I wouldn't even think about NOT getting stainless.... |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
heh-i've pretty much decided on stainless...but i just thought to run
this by you guys... "someone" <someone@home.org> wrote in message news:<1ib1b.26073$Cd2.3274@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>.. . > "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.c om... > > are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > > and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > > ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > > frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. > > > Well, if you want to do it again in another couple years, get the > non-stainless ones. If you'd rather have less chance of rust problems, > spend the extra $25 and get the stainless ones. For such a small difference > in price, I wouldn't even think about NOT getting stainless.... |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the lines with pre-bent if possible. Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I could be wrong. Thanks Tony On 22 Aug 2003 08:39:12 -0700, sfon@yahoo.com (serg) wrote: >thanks for the tip mike! > >peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they >also have the ss lines for sale. >http://www.inlinetube.com/ > >quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i >just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find >out before i buy. > > > > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>... >> Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting >> for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" >> with your response. :) >> >> >> In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get >> >it? >> > >> >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the >> >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays >> >'stain less'. >> > >> >Some are a total rip off for the cost. >> > >> >Mike >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > >> >Peter Parker wrote: >> >> >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, >> >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both >> >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most >> >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the >> >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. >> >> >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would >> >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to >> >> replace my brake lines with SS. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> >> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the lines with pre-bent if possible. Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I could be wrong. Thanks Tony On 22 Aug 2003 08:39:12 -0700, sfon@yahoo.com (serg) wrote: >thanks for the tip mike! > >peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they >also have the ss lines for sale. >http://www.inlinetube.com/ > >quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i >just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find >out before i buy. > > > > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>... >> Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting >> for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" >> with your response. :) >> >> >> In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get >> >it? >> > >> >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the >> >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays >> >'stain less'. >> > >> >Some are a total rip off for the cost. >> > >> >Mike >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > >> >Peter Parker wrote: >> >> >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, >> >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both >> >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most >> >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the >> >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. >> >> >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would >> >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to >> >> replace my brake lines with SS. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> >> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
They are 3/16" in my TJ, likely in your YJ too.
Jerry -- -- Jerry Bransford To email, remove 'me' from my email address KC6TAY, PP-ASEL See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com... > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the > lines with pre-bent if possible. > > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I > could be wrong. > > Thanks > > Tony > > > > > > On 22 Aug 2003 08:39:12 -0700, sfon@yahoo.com (serg) wrote: > > >thanks for the tip mike! > > > >peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they > >also have the ss lines for sale. > >http://www.inlinetube.com/ > > > >quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i > >just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find > >out before i buy. > > > > > > > > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>... > >> Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting > >> for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" > >> with your response. :) > >> > >> > >> In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, > >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get > >> >it? > >> > > >> >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the > >> >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays > >> >'stain less'. > >> > > >> >Some are a total rip off for the cost. > >> > > >> >Mike > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> > > >> >Peter Parker wrote: > >> >> > >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, > >> >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > >> >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > >> >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > >> >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. > >> >> > >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would > >> >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to > >> >> replace my brake lines with SS. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> > >> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
They are 3/16" in my TJ, likely in your YJ too.
Jerry -- -- Jerry Bransford To email, remove 'me' from my email address KC6TAY, PP-ASEL See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com... > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the > lines with pre-bent if possible. > > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I > could be wrong. > > Thanks > > Tony > > > > > > On 22 Aug 2003 08:39:12 -0700, sfon@yahoo.com (serg) wrote: > > >thanks for the tip mike! > > > >peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they > >also have the ss lines for sale. > >http://www.inlinetube.com/ > > > >quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i > >just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find > >out before i buy. > > > > > > > > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>... > >> Well I wasn't talking about "Nazi" brake lines and I was waiting > >> for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off" > >> with your response. :) > >> > >> > >> In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>, > >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less, get > >> >it? > >> > > >> >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the > >> >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays > >> >'stain less'. > >> > > >> >Some are a total rip off for the cost. > >> > > >> >Mike > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> > > >> >Peter Parker wrote: > >> >> > >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >, > >> >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both > >> >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do most > >> >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along the > >> >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones. > >> >> > >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I would > >> >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually want to > >> >> replace my brake lines with SS. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html> > >> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com... > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the > lines with pre-bent if possible. > > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I > could be wrong. > It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than buying pre bent pipes. If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then cut it to fit.) |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com... > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the > lines with pre-bent if possible. > > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I > could be wrong. > It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than buying pre bent pipes. If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then cut it to fit.) |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without damage. "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vkl7bnballomfa@corp.supernews.com... > > "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com... > > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for > > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the > > lines with pre-bent if possible. > > > > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand > > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I > > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I > > could be wrong. > > > It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing > a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and > stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might > be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your > own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is > easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first > place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are > making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare > tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than > buying pre bent pipes. > > If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it > and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without > compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them > yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most > of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already > attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then > cut it to fit.) > > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without damage. "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vkl7bnballomfa@corp.supernews.com... > > "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com... > > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for > > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the > > lines with pre-bent if possible. > > > > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand > > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I > > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I > > could be wrong. > > > It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing > a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and > stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might > be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your > own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is > easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first > place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are > making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare > tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than > buying pre bent pipes. > > If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it > and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without > compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them > yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most > of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already > attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then > cut it to fit.) > > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com... > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without > damage. > This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so his body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes ourselves and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to get them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them ourselves, we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or two pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary experience to use them right the first time out. Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance to get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them yourself can save money. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com... > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without > damage. > This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so his body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes ourselves and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to get them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them ourselves, we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or two pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary experience to use them right the first time out. Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance to get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them yourself can save money. |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Thanks Jerry!
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:03:32 -0700, "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote: >They are 3/16" in my TJ, likely in your YJ too. > >Jerry > >-- |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Thanks Jerry!
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:03:32 -0700, "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote: >They are 3/16" in my TJ, likely in your YJ too. > >Jerry > >-- |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Indeed. After I installed an MPB master & dual diaphragm kit on my YJ I had
to re-form all of the lines to get them to match up to the new prop valve. Even using a tubing bender to keep them from kinking left them looking, well, suspicious. I replaced the front to rear line, which was the worst looking, but to get it in place properly I ended up having to thread it in through the LR wheelhouse with the wheel & tire removed. Making one probably wouldn't have been any easier. "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vkn4he9vge507c@corp.supernews.com... > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com... > > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be > > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of > > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded > without > > damage. > > > > This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some > reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the > original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so his > body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes ourselves > and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to get > them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them ourselves, > we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent > pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or two > pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we > don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary > experience to use them right the first time out. > > Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance to > get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to > just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them > yourself can save money. > > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Indeed. After I installed an MPB master & dual diaphragm kit on my YJ I had
to re-form all of the lines to get them to match up to the new prop valve. Even using a tubing bender to keep them from kinking left them looking, well, suspicious. I replaced the front to rear line, which was the worst looking, but to get it in place properly I ended up having to thread it in through the LR wheelhouse with the wheel & tire removed. Making one probably wouldn't have been any easier. "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vkn4he9vge507c@corp.supernews.com... > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message > news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com... > > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be > > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of > > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded > without > > damage. > > > > This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some > reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the > original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so his > body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes ourselves > and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to get > them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them ourselves, > we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent > pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or two > pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we > don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary > experience to use them right the first time out. > > Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance to > get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to > just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them > yourself can save money. > > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across. I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really that I'm a lazy prick and I don't really want to spend alot of time trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend more, crawl under, test, etc. And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's going to be a pain in the ass when the body is on regardless. THanks Tony On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than >buying pre bent pipes. > >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then >cut it to fit.) > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across. I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really that I'm a lazy prick and I don't really want to spend alot of time trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend more, crawl under, test, etc. And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's going to be a pain in the ass when the body is on regardless. THanks Tony On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than >buying pre bent pipes. > >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then >cut it to fit.) > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, yes, with the body on it is a definite PITA! The pre-bent line I used
was from the factory. "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7u4nkv089gr12l408e3c6962pueieqj9s1@4ax.com... > Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake > line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across. > > I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really > that I'm a lazy prick and I don't really want to spend alot of time > trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and > unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend > more, crawl under, test, etc. > > And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's > all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation > goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's > going to be a pain in the ass when the body is on regardless. > > THanks > > Tony > > > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" > <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing > >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and > >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might > >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your > >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is > >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first > >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are > >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare > >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than > >buying pre bent pipes. > > > >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it > >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without > >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them > >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most > >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already > >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then > >cut it to fit.) > > > |
Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, yes, with the body on it is a definite PITA! The pre-bent line I used
was from the factory. "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7u4nkv089gr12l408e3c6962pueieqj9s1@4ax.com... > Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake > line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across. > > I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really > that I'm a lazy prick and I don't really want to spend alot of time > trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and > unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend > more, crawl under, test, etc. > > And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's > all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation > goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's > going to be a pain in the ass when the body is on regardless. > > THanks > > Tony > > > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" > <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-ass issue. If you are replacing > >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and > >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might > >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your > >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is > >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first > >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are > >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare > >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than > >buying pre bent pipes. > > > >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it > >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without > >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them > >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most > >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already > >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then > >cut it to fit.) > > > |
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