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Casper 09-10-2006 01:18 AM

OT: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
to rumble hard and die.

Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.

Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?

And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
american automobiles, of any brand or model.

c 09-10-2006 01:37 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
My F150 did the same thing earlier this summer, and I did the plugs, cap,
rotor, and wires routine, which helped, but the stalling was still here. I
ended up cleaning the idle air control valve, along with the IAC and
throttle position sensor electrical connections. I also cleaned the throttle
body. All of this solved the problem and it has been fine since. My IAC
valve was very crudded up, and I have a feeling that was the main cause of
my problem.

Chris

"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




c 09-10-2006 01:37 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
My F150 did the same thing earlier this summer, and I did the plugs, cap,
rotor, and wires routine, which helped, but the stalling was still here. I
ended up cleaning the idle air control valve, along with the IAC and
throttle position sensor electrical connections. I also cleaned the throttle
body. All of this solved the problem and it has been fine since. My IAC
valve was very crudded up, and I have a feeling that was the main cause of
my problem.

Chris

"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




c 09-10-2006 01:37 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
My F150 did the same thing earlier this summer, and I did the plugs, cap,
rotor, and wires routine, which helped, but the stalling was still here. I
ended up cleaning the idle air control valve, along with the IAC and
throttle position sensor electrical connections. I also cleaned the throttle
body. All of this solved the problem and it has been fine since. My IAC
valve was very crudded up, and I have a feeling that was the main cause of
my problem.

Chris

"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




billy ray 09-10-2006 01:40 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Has the ignition module been checked? AutoZone will do it for free...


"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




billy ray 09-10-2006 01:40 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Has the ignition module been checked? AutoZone will do it for free...


"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




billy ray 09-10-2006 01:40 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Has the ignition module been checked? AutoZone will do it for free...


"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




Carl 09-10-2006 03:59 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used for
cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment and
take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.

HTH

Carl


"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




Carl 09-10-2006 03:59 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used for
cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment and
take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.

HTH

Carl


"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




Carl 09-10-2006 03:59 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used for
cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment and
take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.

HTH

Carl


"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.




L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 09-10-2006 04:12 AM

Re: OT: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
In my '84, and '89 Thunderbirds it was the ignition switch falling
apart. The same problem causing the newer van fires. Easy to check just
pull the steering column plastic about where it goes under the dash, and
you may see the white plastic half of the switch coming off.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Casper wrote:
>
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 09-10-2006 04:12 AM

Re: OT: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
In my '84, and '89 Thunderbirds it was the ignition switch falling
apart. The same problem causing the newer van fires. Easy to check just
pull the steering column plastic about where it goes under the dash, and
you may see the white plastic half of the switch coming off.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Casper wrote:
>
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 09-10-2006 04:12 AM

Re: OT: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
In my '84, and '89 Thunderbirds it was the ignition switch falling
apart. The same problem causing the newer van fires. Easy to check just
pull the steering column plastic about where it goes under the dash, and
you may see the white plastic half of the switch coming off.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Casper wrote:
>
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 09:32 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....

The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Carl wrote:
>
> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used for
> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment and
> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> > to rumble hard and die.
> >
> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
> >
> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
> >
> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 09:32 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....

The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Carl wrote:
>
> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used for
> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment and
> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> > to rumble hard and die.
> >
> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
> >
> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
> >
> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 09:32 AM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....

The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Carl wrote:
>
> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used for
> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment and
> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> > to rumble hard and die.
> >
> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
> >
> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
> >
> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 09:32 AM

Re: OT: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
'Gas vent line' rings alarms. If not plumbed or vented correctly this
line will let a vacuum happen on the gas tank which causes the engine to
appear to run out of gas after driving for a while. It then bogs out
and dies.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Casper wrote:
>
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 09:32 AM

Re: OT: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
'Gas vent line' rings alarms. If not plumbed or vented correctly this
line will let a vacuum happen on the gas tank which causes the engine to
appear to run out of gas after driving for a while. It then bogs out
and dies.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Casper wrote:
>
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 09:32 AM

Re: OT: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
'Gas vent line' rings alarms. If not plumbed or vented correctly this
line will let a vacuum happen on the gas tank which causes the engine to
appear to run out of gas after driving for a while. It then bogs out
and dies.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


Casper wrote:
>
> My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> to rumble hard and die.
>
> Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>
> Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>
> And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Carl 09-10-2006 12:54 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Mike,

I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?

Carl

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
> Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
>
> The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
>> for
>> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
>> and
>> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
>> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
>> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
>> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
>> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
>> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
>> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
>> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
>> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
>> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
>> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
>> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
>> > to rumble hard and die.
>> >
>> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
>> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
>> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>> >
>> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>> >
>> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
>> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.




Carl 09-10-2006 12:54 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Mike,

I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?

Carl

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
> Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
>
> The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
>> for
>> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
>> and
>> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
>> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
>> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
>> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
>> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
>> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
>> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
>> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
>> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
>> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
>> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
>> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
>> > to rumble hard and die.
>> >
>> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
>> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
>> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>> >
>> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>> >
>> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
>> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.




Carl 09-10-2006 12:54 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
Mike,

I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?

Carl

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
> Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
>
> The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
>> for
>> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
>> and
>> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
>> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
>> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
>> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
>> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
>> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
>> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
>> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
>> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
>> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
>> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
>> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
>> > to rumble hard and die.
>> >
>> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
>> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
>> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>> >
>> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>> >
>> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
>> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.




Mike Romain 09-10-2006 01:42 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
The electronics stores carry it along with good spray contact cleaner
for all the electronic sensor plug and socket cleaning.

One brand is called 'super cold 134' made by MG CHEMICALS.

Here is one place that sells it just for instance.
http://www.active123.com/b2c/redirec..._2&catID=17800

I don't know if that link will be good but you can find it here under
'chemicals': http://www.active123.com

Mike

Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
> > Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
> >
> > The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
> >> for
> >> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
> >> and
> >> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
> >> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
> >> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
> >> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> >> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> >> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> >> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> >> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> >> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> >> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> >> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> >> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> >> > to rumble hard and die.
> >> >
> >> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> >> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> >> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
> >> >
> >> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> >> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 01:42 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
The electronics stores carry it along with good spray contact cleaner
for all the electronic sensor plug and socket cleaning.

One brand is called 'super cold 134' made by MG CHEMICALS.

Here is one place that sells it just for instance.
http://www.active123.com/b2c/redirec..._2&catID=17800

I don't know if that link will be good but you can find it here under
'chemicals': http://www.active123.com

Mike

Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
> > Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
> >
> > The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
> >> for
> >> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
> >> and
> >> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
> >> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
> >> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
> >> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> >> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> >> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> >> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> >> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> >> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> >> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> >> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> >> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> >> > to rumble hard and die.
> >> >
> >> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> >> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> >> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
> >> >
> >> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> >> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Mike Romain 09-10-2006 01:42 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 
The electronics stores carry it along with good spray contact cleaner
for all the electronic sensor plug and socket cleaning.

One brand is called 'super cold 134' made by MG CHEMICALS.

Here is one place that sells it just for instance.
http://www.active123.com/b2c/redirec..._2&catID=17800

I don't know if that link will be good but you can find it here under
'chemicals': http://www.active123.com

Mike

Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
> > Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
> >
> > The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
> >> for
> >> cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
> >> and
> >> take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
> >> spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
> >> skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> "Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
> >> news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com...
> >> > My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
> >> > months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
> >> > parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
> >> > ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
> >> > gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
> >> > power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
> >> > flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
> >> > when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
> >> > to rumble hard and die.
> >> >
> >> > Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
> >> > line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
> >> > the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
> >> >
> >> > And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
> >> > american automobiles, of any brand or model.


Lon 09-10-2006 02:28 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 

RatShack used to carry it. Can also be mail ordered from electronics
and PC parts hobbyist onlines. It isn't really necessary, the Perfect
Dust brand duster spray is diflouroethane and cools just as well.



Carl proclaimed:

> Mike,
>
> I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
>>
>>The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>
>>Carl wrote:
>>
>>>Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
>>>for
>>>cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
>>>and
>>>take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
>>>spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
>>>skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
>>>news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
>>>>months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
>>>>parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
>>>>ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
>>>>gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
>>>>power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
>>>>flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
>>>>when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
>>>>to rumble hard and die.
>>>>
>>>>Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
>>>>line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
>>>>the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>>>>
>>>>And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
>>>>american automobiles, of any brand or model.

>
>
>


Lon 09-10-2006 02:28 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 

RatShack used to carry it. Can also be mail ordered from electronics
and PC parts hobbyist onlines. It isn't really necessary, the Perfect
Dust brand duster spray is diflouroethane and cools just as well.



Carl proclaimed:

> Mike,
>
> I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
>>
>>The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>
>>Carl wrote:
>>
>>>Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
>>>for
>>>cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
>>>and
>>>take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
>>>spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
>>>skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
>>>news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
>>>>months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
>>>>parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
>>>>ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
>>>>gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
>>>>power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
>>>>flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
>>>>when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
>>>>to rumble hard and die.
>>>>
>>>>Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
>>>>line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
>>>>the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>>>>
>>>>And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
>>>>american automobiles, of any brand or model.

>
>
>


Lon 09-10-2006 02:28 PM

Re: E-150 Dies During Driving
 

RatShack used to carry it. Can also be mail ordered from electronics
and PC parts hobbyist onlines. It isn't really necessary, the Perfect
Dust brand duster spray is diflouroethane and cools just as well.



Carl proclaimed:

> Mike,
>
> I didn't know they made such a thing. Where do you get freeze spray?
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:450413D4.F689142F@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Better yet, just get the freeze spray instead of the duster....
>>
>>The freeze spray is intended to test for parts that fail with heat.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>>
>>Carl wrote:
>>
>>>Get a can of air duster from best buy. It's compressed air in a can used
>>>for
>>>cleaning computers. Locate the ignition module in the engine compartment
>>>and
>>>take the van for a spin. When it dies, hold the spray can upside down and
>>>spray it onto the module. The mist is VERY cold so don't let it touch you
>>>skin. After cooling the module, try the van again and see what happens.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>"Casper" <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote in message
>>>news:2f77g2hhqcnfhepa27922n3tcesqfkts0u@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>My husband's E-150 van has had a miss and rough idle for several
>>>>months. We finally resolved it by replacing most of the ignition
>>>>parts... ie: wires, spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, secondary
>>>>ignition wires, coil and battery. Now the rough idle and miss are
>>>>gone, but after driving it for approximately 45min to 1hour, it looses
>>>>power and dies. When it dies, the dash guages (oil pressure) needles
>>>>flutter and all turns off. Sometimes it does not die completely, but
>>>>when you step on the gas pedal, nothing happens at all, or it starts
>>>>to rumble hard and die.
>>>>
>>>>Also fixed a minor leak in the gas tank seams, replaced the gas vent
>>>>line and overhead valves. Along with a new muffler/tailpipe and tested
>>>>the catalytic convertor, which tested fine.
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas on what might be the cause of it dying?
>>>>
>>>>And yes, I am starting to have a deep seated resentment towards
>>>>american automobiles, of any brand or model.

>
>
>



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