Oil Pumps?
 

I'm thinking to buy a high volume oil pump. Does the additional volume for
the price "really" make a difference? I can't find anything other the "up
to 25%" more volume. Who know's what the exact volume is? Any
recommendations?

--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

A high volume pump really isn't necessary for a low RPM Jeep engine, but it
won't hurt anything to have one. Just make sure you keep your oil topped off
because I have seen them empty a stock oil pan on a small block Chevy engine
with a stock capacity pan. This was in a higher RPM circle track engine
where the stock pan had to be used by rule. Be sure that all of your oil
return passages are not blocked with sludge or crud too. Any blocked oil
returns and you'll soon find out where your gasket sealing is minimal,
especially on the valve cover. For the record, I normally do use a HV oil
pump in my engine rebuilds, but for this type of application I would use
either one. One other thing to kkeep in mind is that because the pump is
pumping more oil, there will be more load on the oil pump shaft. I can't
recall what type the 258 uses, but if there is a hardened or heavy shaft
available, I would invest in that too. I know the stock shaft on a SB Chevy
will not hold up under heavy use with an HV pump.

Chris

"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:353eauF4gmvumU1@individual.net...
> I'm thinking to buy a high volume oil pump. Does the additional volume
for
> the price "really" make a difference? I can't find anything other the "up
> to 25%" more volume. Who know's what the exact volume is? Any
> recommendations?
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

A high volume pump really isn't necessary for a low RPM Jeep engine, but it
won't hurt anything to have one. Just make sure you keep your oil topped off
because I have seen them empty a stock oil pan on a small block Chevy engine
with a stock capacity pan. This was in a higher RPM circle track engine
where the stock pan had to be used by rule. Be sure that all of your oil
return passages are not blocked with sludge or crud too. Any blocked oil
returns and you'll soon find out where your gasket sealing is minimal,
especially on the valve cover. For the record, I normally do use a HV oil
pump in my engine rebuilds, but for this type of application I would use
either one. One other thing to kkeep in mind is that because the pump is
pumping more oil, there will be more load on the oil pump shaft. I can't
recall what type the 258 uses, but if there is a hardened or heavy shaft
available, I would invest in that too. I know the stock shaft on a SB Chevy
will not hold up under heavy use with an HV pump.

Chris

"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:353eauF4gmvumU1@individual.net...
> I'm thinking to buy a high volume oil pump. Does the additional volume
for
> the price "really" make a difference? I can't find anything other the "up
> to 25%" more volume. Who know's what the exact volume is? Any
> recommendations?
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

A high volume pump really isn't necessary for a low RPM Jeep engine, but it
won't hurt anything to have one. Just make sure you keep your oil topped off
because I have seen them empty a stock oil pan on a small block Chevy engine
with a stock capacity pan. This was in a higher RPM circle track engine
where the stock pan had to be used by rule. Be sure that all of your oil
return passages are not blocked with sludge or crud too. Any blocked oil
returns and you'll soon find out where your gasket sealing is minimal,
especially on the valve cover. For the record, I normally do use a HV oil
pump in my engine rebuilds, but for this type of application I would use
either one. One other thing to kkeep in mind is that because the pump is
pumping more oil, there will be more load on the oil pump shaft. I can't
recall what type the 258 uses, but if there is a hardened or heavy shaft
available, I would invest in that too. I know the stock shaft on a SB Chevy
will not hold up under heavy use with an HV pump.

Chris

"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:353eauF4gmvumU1@individual.net...
> I'm thinking to buy a high volume oil pump. Does the additional volume
for
> the price "really" make a difference? I can't find anything other the "up
> to 25%" more volume. Who know's what the exact volume is? Any
> recommendations?
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

"Especially the valve cover"???

The valve cover is not a pressurized gasket, that is, the oil is not
pressurized at that point. I agree completely that the VC gasket is a weak
spot, but I can't see how this would be made worse by the oil pump, unless
you are suggesting that the sheer volume of oil on the top of the motor will
find its way out if the gasket is not sealing well.





"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:LVaHd.227052$T02.95648@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>A high volume pump really isn't necessary for a low RPM Jeep engine, but it
> won't hurt anything to have one. Just make sure you keep your oil topped
> off
> because I have seen them empty a stock oil pan on a small block Chevy
> engine
> with a stock capacity pan. This was in a higher RPM circle track engine
> where the stock pan had to be used by rule. Be sure that all of your oil
> return passages are not blocked with sludge or crud too. Any blocked oil
> returns and you'll soon find out where your gasket sealing is minimal,
> especially on the valve cover. For the record, I normally do use a HV oil
> pump in my engine rebuilds, but for this type of application I would use
> either one. One other thing to kkeep in mind is that because the pump is
> pumping more oil, there will be more load on the oil pump shaft. I can't
> recall what type the 258 uses, but if there is a hardened or heavy shaft
> available, I would invest in that too. I know the stock shaft on a SB
> Chevy
> will not hold up under heavy use with an HV pump.
>
> Chris
>
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:353eauF4gmvumU1@individual.net...
>> I'm thinking to buy a high volume oil pump. Does the additional volume
> for
>> the price "really" make a difference? I can't find anything other the
>> "up
>> to 25%" more volume. Who know's what the exact volume is? Any
>> recommendations?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks Always !!!
>> Paul '75 CJ5 258
>> Vail, CO.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

"Especially the valve cover"???

The valve cover is not a pressurized gasket, that is, the oil is not
pressurized at that point. I agree completely that the VC gasket is a weak
spot, but I can't see how this would be made worse by the oil pump, unless
you are suggesting that the sheer volume of oil on the top of the motor will
find its way out if the gasket is not sealing well.





"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:LVaHd.227052$T02.95648@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>A high volume pump really isn't necessary for a low RPM Jeep engine, but it
> won't hurt anything to have one. Just make sure you keep your oil topped
> off
> because I have seen them empty a stock oil pan on a small block Chevy
> engine
> with a stock capacity pan. This was in a higher RPM circle track engine
> where the stock pan had to be used by rule. Be sure that all of your oil
> return passages are not blocked with sludge or crud too. Any blocked oil
> returns and you'll soon find out where your gasket sealing is minimal,
> especially on the valve cover. For the record, I normally do use a HV oil
> pump in my engine rebuilds, but for this type of application I would use
> either one. One other thing to kkeep in mind is that because the pump is
> pumping more oil, there will be more load on the oil pump shaft. I can't
> recall what type the 258 uses, but if there is a hardened or heavy shaft
> available, I would invest in that too. I know the stock shaft on a SB
> Chevy
> will not hold up under heavy use with an HV pump.
>
> Chris
>
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:353eauF4gmvumU1@individual.net...
>> I'm thinking to buy a high volume oil pump. Does the additional volume
> for
>> the price "really" make a difference? I can't find anything other the
>> "up
>> to 25%" more volume. Who know's what the exact volume is? Any
>> recommendations?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks Always !!!
>> Paul '75 CJ5 258
>> Vail, CO.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

"Especially the valve cover"???

The valve cover is not a pressurized gasket, that is, the oil is not
pressurized at that point. I agree completely that the VC gasket is a weak
spot, but I can't see how this would be made worse by the oil pump, unless
you are suggesting that the sheer volume of oil on the top of the motor will
find its way out if the gasket is not sealing well.





"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:LVaHd.227052$T02.95648@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>A high volume pump really isn't necessary for a low RPM Jeep engine, but it
> won't hurt anything to have one. Just make sure you keep your oil topped
> off
> because I have seen them empty a stock oil pan on a small block Chevy
> engine
> with a stock capacity pan. This was in a higher RPM circle track engine
> where the stock pan had to be used by rule. Be sure that all of your oil
> return passages are not blocked with sludge or crud too. Any blocked oil
> returns and you'll soon find out where your gasket sealing is minimal,
> especially on the valve cover. For the record, I normally do use a HV oil
> pump in my engine rebuilds, but for this type of application I would use
> either one. One other thing to kkeep in mind is that because the pump is
> pumping more oil, there will be more load on the oil pump shaft. I can't
> recall what type the 258 uses, but if there is a hardened or heavy shaft
> available, I would invest in that too. I know the stock shaft on a SB
> Chevy
> will not hold up under heavy use with an HV pump.
>
> Chris
>
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:353eauF4gmvumU1@individual.net...
>> I'm thinking to buy a high volume oil pump. Does the additional volume
> for
>> the price "really" make a difference? I can't find anything other the
>> "up
>> to 25%" more volume. Who know's what the exact volume is? Any
>> recommendations?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks Always !!!
>> Paul '75 CJ5 258
>> Vail, CO.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

Hi Mike,
If the Positive Crankcase Ventilation valve is working as designed
and not overwhelm by blow-by of a worn out rings, then there will be a
vacuum. And is easily felt by closing off the other vent tube to the air
cleaner box with your thumb.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That would sure be my guess as well, but the valve cover is indeed
> pressurized Jeff. More so on the FI engines, but even on the CJ's.
> Anything with a PCV or CCV system is a pressure system.
>
> Some FI engines even die or chug bad if the oil cap is opened or the dip
> stick isn't in tight.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

Hi Mike,
If the Positive Crankcase Ventilation valve is working as designed
and not overwhelm by blow-by of a worn out rings, then there will be a
vacuum. And is easily felt by closing off the other vent tube to the air
cleaner box with your thumb.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That would sure be my guess as well, but the valve cover is indeed
> pressurized Jeff. More so on the FI engines, but even on the CJ's.
> Anything with a PCV or CCV system is a pressure system.
>
> Some FI engines even die or chug bad if the oil cap is opened or the dip
> stick isn't in tight.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Oil Pumps?
 

Hi Mike,
If the Positive Crankcase Ventilation valve is working as designed
and not overwhelm by blow-by of a worn out rings, then there will be a
vacuum. And is easily felt by closing off the other vent tube to the air
cleaner box with your thumb.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That would sure be my guess as well, but the valve cover is indeed
> pressurized Jeff. More so on the FI engines, but even on the CJ's.
> Anything with a PCV or CCV system is a pressure system.
>
> Some FI engines even die or chug bad if the oil cap is opened or the dip
> stick isn't in tight.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's