Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Hello,

I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
sensor problem.
I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
it anywhere to get it checked out.


Thanks for any input!!
SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Unscrew the sending unit and put a mechanical gauge there to check your
actual oil pressure.

--
HarryS My 2¢
"sp" <dingle71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ug1141d8e89jrj5nme8le4oflkuqhacmbl@4ax.com...
| Hello,
|
| I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
| was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
| way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
| exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
| sensor problem.
| I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
| doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
| it anywhere to get it checked out.
|
|
| Thanks for any input!!
| SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Unscrew the sending unit and put a mechanical gauge there to check your
actual oil pressure.

--
HarryS My 2¢
"sp" <dingle71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ug1141d8e89jrj5nme8le4oflkuqhacmbl@4ax.com...
| Hello,
|
| I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
| was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
| way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
| exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
| sensor problem.
| I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
| doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
| it anywhere to get it checked out.
|
|
| Thanks for any input!!
| SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Unscrew the sending unit and put a mechanical gauge there to check your
actual oil pressure.

--
HarryS My 2¢
"sp" <dingle71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ug1141d8e89jrj5nme8le4oflkuqhacmbl@4ax.com...
| Hello,
|
| I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
| was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
| way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
| exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
| sensor problem.
| I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
| doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
| it anywhere to get it checked out.
|
|
| Thanks for any input!!
| SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Replace the oil sender again. :)

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Replace the oil sender again. :)

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Replace the oil sender again. :)

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

I have a mechanical gauge in my garage.. But I am not sure where on my
jeep the gauge is to unscrew and plug in the mechanical..

Is it hard to find?

Thanks again!

Shawn



On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:35:55 -0500, "HarryS"
<NOSPAMharry01@comcast.net> wrote:

>Unscrew the sending unit and put a mechanical gauge there to check your
>actual oil pressure.

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

I have a mechanical gauge in my garage.. But I am not sure where on my
jeep the gauge is to unscrew and plug in the mechanical..

Is it hard to find?

Thanks again!

Shawn



On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:35:55 -0500, "HarryS"
<NOSPAMharry01@comcast.net> wrote:

>Unscrew the sending unit and put a mechanical gauge there to check your
>actual oil pressure.

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

I have a mechanical gauge in my garage.. But I am not sure where on my
jeep the gauge is to unscrew and plug in the mechanical..

Is it hard to find?

Thanks again!

Shawn



On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:35:55 -0500, "HarryS"
<NOSPAMharry01@comcast.net> wrote:

>Unscrew the sending unit and put a mechanical gauge there to check your
>actual oil pressure.

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

By the way.. I just called my local jeep dealer and they said they had
the unit in stock.. " 111.00 dollares.." Man that seemed hight.. I
don't remember it being more than like 30 dollars last time..

SP

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:36:10 -0800, Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@cox.net>
wrote:

>Replace the oil sender again. :)
>
>Jerry

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

By the way.. I just called my local jeep dealer and they said they had
the unit in stock.. " 111.00 dollares.." Man that seemed hight.. I
don't remember it being more than like 30 dollars last time..

SP

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:36:10 -0800, Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@cox.net>
wrote:

>Replace the oil sender again. :)
>
>Jerry

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

By the way.. I just called my local jeep dealer and they said they had
the unit in stock.. " 111.00 dollares.." Man that seemed hight.. I
don't remember it being more than like 30 dollars last time..

SP

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:36:10 -0800, Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@cox.net>
wrote:

>Replace the oil sender again. :)
>
>Jerry

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Any autoparts store should have one. It's located next to your oil filter.

sp wrote:
> By the way.. I just called my local jeep dealer and they said they had
> the unit in stock.. " 111.00 dollares.." Man that seemed hight.. I
> don't remember it being more than like 30 dollars last time..
>
> SP
>
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:36:10 -0800, Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Replace the oil sender again. :)
>>
>>Jerry
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Any autoparts store should have one. It's located next to your oil filter.

sp wrote:
> By the way.. I just called my local jeep dealer and they said they had
> the unit in stock.. " 111.00 dollares.." Man that seemed hight.. I
> don't remember it being more than like 30 dollars last time..
>
> SP
>
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:36:10 -0800, Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Replace the oil sender again. :)
>>
>>Jerry
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Any autoparts store should have one. It's located next to your oil filter.

sp wrote:
> By the way.. I just called my local jeep dealer and they said they had
> the unit in stock.. " 111.00 dollares.." Man that seemed hight.. I
> don't remember it being more than like 30 dollars last time..
>
> SP
>
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:36:10 -0800, Jerry Bransford <jerrypb@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Replace the oil sender again. :)
>>
>>Jerry
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

sp did pass the time by typing:
> Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
> was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
> way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
> exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
> sensor problem.
> I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
> doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
> it anywhere to get it checked out.

Check the connector, zero can indicate it fell off.
(down by the oil filter on the 4.0)
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/...r-oil-pressure

--
DougW

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

sp did pass the time by typing:
> Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
> was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
> way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
> exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
> sensor problem.
> I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
> doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
> it anywhere to get it checked out.

Check the connector, zero can indicate it fell off.
(down by the oil filter on the 4.0)
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/...r-oil-pressure

--
DougW

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

sp did pass the time by typing:
> Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
> was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
> way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
> exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
> sensor problem.
> I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
> doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
> it anywhere to get it checked out.

Check the connector, zero can indicate it fell off.
(down by the oil filter on the 4.0)
http://www.revbeergoggles.com/Fixes/...r-oil-pressure

--
DougW

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

A couple of things, do the lifters make any noise? If your oil pressure
really is low they should be making a racket.

A quick and really dirty test might be to remove the oil filter,
disconnect the coil, and then crank the engine. If you get a really big
mess than it's pumping oil, if there is no mess than you have a real
problem.

A mechanical gage is really the best solution!

Jeff DeWitt

sp wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
> was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
> way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
> exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
> sensor problem.
> I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
> doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
> it anywhere to get it checked out.
>
>
> Thanks for any input!!
> SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

A couple of things, do the lifters make any noise? If your oil pressure
really is low they should be making a racket.

A quick and really dirty test might be to remove the oil filter,
disconnect the coil, and then crank the engine. If you get a really big
mess than it's pumping oil, if there is no mess than you have a real
problem.

A mechanical gage is really the best solution!

Jeff DeWitt

sp wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
> was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
> way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
> exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
> sensor problem.
> I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
> doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
> it anywhere to get it checked out.
>
>
> Thanks for any input!!
> SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

A couple of things, do the lifters make any noise? If your oil pressure
really is low they should be making a racket.

A quick and really dirty test might be to remove the oil filter,
disconnect the coil, and then crank the engine. If you get a really big
mess than it's pumping oil, if there is no mess than you have a real
problem.

A mechanical gage is really the best solution!

Jeff DeWitt

sp wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
> was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
> way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
> exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
> sensor problem.
> I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
> doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
> it anywhere to get it checked out.
>
>
> Thanks for any input!!
> SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Thanks for the advice..
I found a sensor online and ordered alot cheaper that what the jeep
dealer quoted..
But I think I might be taking it in anyway.. There is oil spraying out
around the sensor. I drove it just about 1/4 mile to the store and it
started smoking.. looked under and there was bunches of oil sprayed
around the bottom of the jeep. Mostly around the sensor and filter.

Bummer..

Thanks again!
SP



On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:05:19 GMT, sp <dingle71@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
>was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
>way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
>exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
>sensor problem.
>I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
>doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
>it anywhere to get it checked out.
>
>
>Thanks for any input!!
>SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Thanks for the advice..
I found a sensor online and ordered alot cheaper that what the jeep
dealer quoted..
But I think I might be taking it in anyway.. There is oil spraying out
around the sensor. I drove it just about 1/4 mile to the store and it
started smoking.. looked under and there was bunches of oil sprayed
around the bottom of the jeep. Mostly around the sensor and filter.

Bummer..

Thanks again!
SP



On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:05:19 GMT, sp <dingle71@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
>was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
>way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
>exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
>sensor problem.
>I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
>doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
>it anywhere to get it checked out.
>
>
>Thanks for any input!!
>SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Thanks for the advice..
I found a sensor online and ordered alot cheaper that what the jeep
dealer quoted..
But I think I might be taking it in anyway.. There is oil spraying out
around the sensor. I drove it just about 1/4 mile to the store and it
started smoking.. looked under and there was bunches of oil sprayed
around the bottom of the jeep. Mostly around the sensor and filter.

Bummer..

Thanks again!
SP



On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:05:19 GMT, sp <dingle71@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with my 97 Wrangler.. the Oil Pressure Gauge
>was jumping around and is now down at ZERO ! I had the sensor replaced
>way back in 98 when it acted goofy before. But I can't remember if
>exactly how it acted. Does anyone recognize if this seems like the
>sensor problem.
>I don't get a reading at all. It sits at the bottom of the gauge and
>doesn't move. The jeep cranks and runs fine.. but I am scared to drive
>it anywhere to get it checked out.
>
>
>Thanks for any input!!
>SP

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

sp did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks for the advice..
> I found a sensor online and ordered alot cheaper that what the jeep
> dealer quoted..
> But I think I might be taking it in anyway.. There is oil spraying out
> around the sensor. I drove it just about 1/4 mile to the store and it
> started smoking.. looked under and there was bunches of oil sprayed
> around the bottom of the jeep. Mostly around the sensor and filter.
>
> Bummer..

Did you use any gasket sealer on those threads? Like plumbers tape
or loctite? It works, just enough gets smooshed out of the way
to give a good connection and the rest keeps it from leaking. Don't
forget to wait overnight for the stuff to set.

--
DougW

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

sp did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks for the advice..
> I found a sensor online and ordered alot cheaper that what the jeep
> dealer quoted..
> But I think I might be taking it in anyway.. There is oil spraying out
> around the sensor. I drove it just about 1/4 mile to the store and it
> started smoking.. looked under and there was bunches of oil sprayed
> around the bottom of the jeep. Mostly around the sensor and filter.
>
> Bummer..

Did you use any gasket sealer on those threads? Like plumbers tape
or loctite? It works, just enough gets smooshed out of the way
to give a good connection and the rest keeps it from leaking. Don't
forget to wait overnight for the stuff to set.

--
DougW

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

sp did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks for the advice..
> I found a sensor online and ordered alot cheaper that what the jeep
> dealer quoted..
> But I think I might be taking it in anyway.. There is oil spraying out
> around the sensor. I drove it just about 1/4 mile to the store and it
> started smoking.. looked under and there was bunches of oil sprayed
> around the bottom of the jeep. Mostly around the sensor and filter.
>
> Bummer..

Did you use any gasket sealer on those threads? Like plumbers tape
or loctite? It works, just enough gets smooshed out of the way
to give a good connection and the rest keeps it from leaking. Don't
forget to wait overnight for the stuff to set.

--
DougW

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
misconception in the real world....
Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
thanks all
Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
misconception in the real world....
Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
thanks all
Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
misconception in the real world....
Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
thanks all
Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
misconception in the real world....
Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
thanks all
Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

It also does a nice job of insulating sometimes so the sender will be
intermittent or not work.

Loctite or thread dope is better.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Robb S via CarKB.com" wrote:
>
> Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
> LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
> threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
> to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
> misconception in the real world....
> Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
> says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
> thanks all
> Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

It also does a nice job of insulating sometimes so the sender will be
intermittent or not work.

Loctite or thread dope is better.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Robb S via CarKB.com" wrote:
>
> Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
> LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
> threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
> to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
> misconception in the real world....
> Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
> says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
> thanks all
> Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

It also does a nice job of insulating sometimes so the sender will be
intermittent or not work.

Loctite or thread dope is better.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Robb S via CarKB.com" wrote:
>
> Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
> LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
> threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
> to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
> misconception in the real world....
> Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
> says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
> thanks all
> Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Oil Pressure Gauge at Zero in 97 Wrangler help?
 

It also does a nice job of insulating sometimes so the sender will be
intermittent or not work.

Loctite or thread dope is better.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Robb S via CarKB.com" wrote:
>
> Plumbers tape(IE Teflon) is NOT a sealant. The concept is that it is a
> LUBRICANT. ??Confused? The idea is that the teflon will lubricate the
> threads as you are tightening and allow a TIGHTER fit and allow the threads
> to actually seal like they were intended to do. It's a common
> misconception in the real world....
> Unless you use something like locktite or another product that actually
> says pipe sealant, it's just lubricating the threads......
> thanks all
> Robb S Local 32- Seattle, WA plumbers and pipefitters....;)
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com