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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior
mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He said to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he said once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have to barely see the gasket squish and you stop. -- Thanks Always !!! Paul '75 CJ5 258 Vail, CO. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:N5ydnV8CWdcw33DcRVn-2A@ez2.net... > There are two specs, one for 1/4" screws and another for 5/16" screws. > > The Set To spec is 7 ft lb for the 1/4, and 11 for the 5/16. The Service In > Use spec is 5 to 9 and 9 to 13, respectively. All measurments are in foot > pounds. > > > The spec for Oil Pressure is 13psi at 600 RPM and 37 to 75 psi from 1600 RPM > and up. The max pressure is determined by a bypass valve, this pressure is > capped at 75psi. > > I am not sure that a high flow oil pump is beneficial unless you make other > unknown changes to accomodate the increased flow/pressure. My inclination > would be to get another stock pump. > > > I pulled this data from my Factory Service Manual, but I must give a caveat > that the Oil Capacity is listed at 4 quarts, plus the filter. My 258 holds 6 > quarts, including the filter, so I can not vouch for the accuracy of the > information I have given. Having said that, If I was rebuilding my motor, I > would use all of the information, and accept the idea that the oil capacity > is shown incorrectly. > > > > > > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message > news:352kb1F4foiutU1@individual.net... > > I'm in the process of removing the oil pan from my '75 CJ5 258. I've read > > through my Chilton's and Haynes manual, but can't seem to find the Torque > > spec's for the oil pan retaining bolts. The spec's for the 4 cylinder is > > in > > the Chilton's, but not the Haynes. Please Help. Also, any > > recommendations > > for oil pumps on this engine? > > > > -- > > Thanks Always !!! > > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > > Vail, CO. > > > > > > |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior
mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He said to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he said once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have to barely see the gasket squish and you stop. -- Thanks Always !!! Paul '75 CJ5 258 Vail, CO. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:N5ydnV8CWdcw33DcRVn-2A@ez2.net... > There are two specs, one for 1/4" screws and another for 5/16" screws. > > The Set To spec is 7 ft lb for the 1/4, and 11 for the 5/16. The Service In > Use spec is 5 to 9 and 9 to 13, respectively. All measurments are in foot > pounds. > > > The spec for Oil Pressure is 13psi at 600 RPM and 37 to 75 psi from 1600 RPM > and up. The max pressure is determined by a bypass valve, this pressure is > capped at 75psi. > > I am not sure that a high flow oil pump is beneficial unless you make other > unknown changes to accomodate the increased flow/pressure. My inclination > would be to get another stock pump. > > > I pulled this data from my Factory Service Manual, but I must give a caveat > that the Oil Capacity is listed at 4 quarts, plus the filter. My 258 holds 6 > quarts, including the filter, so I can not vouch for the accuracy of the > information I have given. Having said that, If I was rebuilding my motor, I > would use all of the information, and accept the idea that the oil capacity > is shown incorrectly. > > > > > > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message > news:352kb1F4foiutU1@individual.net... > > I'm in the process of removing the oil pan from my '75 CJ5 258. I've read > > through my Chilton's and Haynes manual, but can't seem to find the Torque > > spec's for the oil pan retaining bolts. The spec's for the 4 cylinder is > > in > > the Chilton's, but not the Haynes. Please Help. Also, any > > recommendations > > for oil pumps on this engine? > > > > -- > > Thanks Always !!! > > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > > Vail, CO. > > > > > > |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Perfect.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Paul Brogren wrote: > > Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior > mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He said > to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he said > once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a > very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have to > barely see the gasket squish and you stop. > > -- > Thanks Always !!! > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > Vail, CO. |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Perfect.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Paul Brogren wrote: > > Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior > mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He said > to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he said > once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a > very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have to > barely see the gasket squish and you stop. > > -- > Thanks Always !!! > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > Vail, CO. |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Perfect.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Paul Brogren wrote: > > Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior > mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He said > to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he said > once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a > very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have to > barely see the gasket squish and you stop. > > -- > Thanks Always !!! > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > Vail, CO. |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message news:0l20c2-qcb.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org... > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:17:39 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote: > > > But, how does one measure a foot pound spec with an inch pound > > torque wrench? > > Convert the units. > The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right? I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right. |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message news:0l20c2-qcb.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org... > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:17:39 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote: > > > But, how does one measure a foot pound spec with an inch pound > > torque wrench? > > Convert the units. > The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right? I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right. |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message news:0l20c2-qcb.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org... > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:17:39 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote: > > > But, how does one measure a foot pound spec with an inch pound > > torque wrench? > > Convert the units. > The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right? I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right. |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ... "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message news:355snkF4gsrqcU1@individual.net... > Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior > mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He said > to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he said > once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a > very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have to > barely see the gasket squish and you stop. > > -- > Thanks Always !!! > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > Vail, CO. > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:N5ydnV8CWdcw33DcRVn-2A@ez2.net... > > There are two specs, one for 1/4" screws and another for 5/16" screws. > > > > The Set To spec is 7 ft lb for the 1/4, and 11 for the 5/16. The Service > In > > Use spec is 5 to 9 and 9 to 13, respectively. All measurments are in foot > > pounds. > > > > > > The spec for Oil Pressure is 13psi at 600 RPM and 37 to 75 psi from 1600 > RPM > > and up. The max pressure is determined by a bypass valve, this pressure is > > capped at 75psi. > > > > I am not sure that a high flow oil pump is beneficial unless you make > other > > unknown changes to accomodate the increased flow/pressure. My inclination > > would be to get another stock pump. > > > > > > I pulled this data from my Factory Service Manual, but I must give a > caveat > > that the Oil Capacity is listed at 4 quarts, plus the filter. My 258 holds > 6 > > quarts, including the filter, so I can not vouch for the accuracy of the > > information I have given. Having said that, If I was rebuilding my motor, > I > > would use all of the information, and accept the idea that the oil > capacity > > is shown incorrectly. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:352kb1F4foiutU1@individual.net... > > > I'm in the process of removing the oil pan from my '75 CJ5 258. I've > read > > > through my Chilton's and Haynes manual, but can't seem to find the > Torque > > > spec's for the oil pan retaining bolts. The spec's for the 4 cylinder > is > > > in > > > the Chilton's, but not the Haynes. Please Help. Also, any > > > recommendations > > > for oil pumps on this engine? > > > > > > -- > > > Thanks Always !!! > > > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > > > Vail, CO. > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ... "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message news:355snkF4gsrqcU1@individual.net... > Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior > mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He said > to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he said > once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a > very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have to > barely see the gasket squish and you stop. > > -- > Thanks Always !!! > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > Vail, CO. > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:N5ydnV8CWdcw33DcRVn-2A@ez2.net... > > There are two specs, one for 1/4" screws and another for 5/16" screws. > > > > The Set To spec is 7 ft lb for the 1/4, and 11 for the 5/16. The Service > In > > Use spec is 5 to 9 and 9 to 13, respectively. All measurments are in foot > > pounds. > > > > > > The spec for Oil Pressure is 13psi at 600 RPM and 37 to 75 psi from 1600 > RPM > > and up. The max pressure is determined by a bypass valve, this pressure is > > capped at 75psi. > > > > I am not sure that a high flow oil pump is beneficial unless you make > other > > unknown changes to accomodate the increased flow/pressure. My inclination > > would be to get another stock pump. > > > > > > I pulled this data from my Factory Service Manual, but I must give a > caveat > > that the Oil Capacity is listed at 4 quarts, plus the filter. My 258 holds > 6 > > quarts, including the filter, so I can not vouch for the accuracy of the > > information I have given. Having said that, If I was rebuilding my motor, > I > > would use all of the information, and accept the idea that the oil > capacity > > is shown incorrectly. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:352kb1F4foiutU1@individual.net... > > > I'm in the process of removing the oil pan from my '75 CJ5 258. I've > read > > > through my Chilton's and Haynes manual, but can't seem to find the > Torque > > > spec's for the oil pan retaining bolts. The spec's for the 4 cylinder > is > > > in > > > the Chilton's, but not the Haynes. Please Help. Also, any > > > recommendations > > > for oil pumps on this engine? > > > > > > -- > > > Thanks Always !!! > > > Paul '75 CJ5 258 > > > Vail, CO. > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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