a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

While searching for deals on a jeep, I ended up at the jeep dealer in
Escondido, Ca--a northern suburb of San Diego, Ca. I was pleased that
the salesman watched me like a hawk as I oogled at the new jeep flavors
and didn't approach me once--not once--that was nice. So when I was
done looking, I had questions and he greeted me with a smiley,
"YESSIR!".

A 2004 Wrangler for $17k that they had spinning on the front lawn of
the dealership caught my attention. Then I asked him about the RUBICON.
He asked me if I'd ever driven a jeep before and I told him that I had
not. With that, he directed me away from the rubicons and led me to
the Wranglers while telling me that he'd love to sell me a $30k jeep,
but I wouldn't get my money's worth if I wasn't going to use it
right--he was right and I appreciated it.

They're offering 2007 jeeps for about $19 - $20k which isn't much more
than the used $17k Wrangler they had out in front.

So, I think I may be changing my tune a bit. I have access to a 2003
Saturn ION that I can use a commuter and baby a new jeep. I told my
wife that I'd only use the jeep a few times a year. She said, "no, if
you had it, you'd use it every chance you'd have--or I would"

I have to be honest with myself. I really don't know anything about
jeeps and just recently understood with dana 30 is--the dealer
explained the differences. My wife and I both want this jeep but we're
thinking that if it's new, we may not have as many problems as we might
potentially have with a really used jeep. I know that goes completely
against what I initially thought but this jeep bug's biting me and my
wife.

So I think that I may do that because I'm finding that my stress levels
of owning a jeep have diminished when I thought about getting a new
one. I just have to wait for this year to finish and see what uncle
sam's going to leave me with, if anything...

thanks again for all your advice and I'll report in when I'm in the new
jeep.

-ac

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

One thing to watch out for that most of us had had to deal with....

Once your wife drives the damn thing, you need a second for 'her' or you
are stuck with the 'seconds'.....

I now own a CJ7 and a Cherokee... Volvo wagon gone....
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"nightrider.36" wrote:
>
> While searching for deals on a jeep, I ended up at the jeep dealer in
> Escondido, Ca--a northern suburb of San Diego, Ca. I was pleased that
> the salesman watched me like a hawk as I oogled at the new jeep flavors
> and didn't approach me once--not once--that was nice. So when I was
> done looking, I had questions and he greeted me with a smiley,
> "YESSIR!".
>
> A 2004 Wrangler for $17k that they had spinning on the front lawn of
> the dealership caught my attention. Then I asked him about the RUBICON.
> He asked me if I'd ever driven a jeep before and I told him that I had
> not. With that, he directed me away from the rubicons and led me to
> the Wranglers while telling me that he'd love to sell me a $30k jeep,
> but I wouldn't get my money's worth if I wasn't going to use it
> right--he was right and I appreciated it.
>
> They're offering 2007 jeeps for about $19 - $20k which isn't much more
> than the used $17k Wrangler they had out in front.
>
> So, I think I may be changing my tune a bit. I have access to a 2003
> Saturn ION that I can use a commuter and baby a new jeep. I told my
> wife that I'd only use the jeep a few times a year. She said, "no, if
> you had it, you'd use it every chance you'd have--or I would"
>
> I have to be honest with myself. I really don't know anything about
> jeeps and just recently understood with dana 30 is--the dealer
> explained the differences. My wife and I both want this jeep but we're
> thinking that if it's new, we may not have as many problems as we might
> potentially have with a really used jeep. I know that goes completely
> against what I initially thought but this jeep bug's biting me and my
> wife.
>
> So I think that I may do that because I'm finding that my stress levels
> of owning a jeep have diminished when I thought about getting a new
> one. I just have to wait for this year to finish and see what uncle
> sam's going to leave me with, if anything...
>
> thanks again for all your advice and I'll report in when I'm in the new
> jeep.
>
> -ac

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

One thing to watch out for that most of us had had to deal with....

Once your wife drives the damn thing, you need a second for 'her' or you
are stuck with the 'seconds'.....

I now own a CJ7 and a Cherokee... Volvo wagon gone....
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"nightrider.36" wrote:
>
> While searching for deals on a jeep, I ended up at the jeep dealer in
> Escondido, Ca--a northern suburb of San Diego, Ca. I was pleased that
> the salesman watched me like a hawk as I oogled at the new jeep flavors
> and didn't approach me once--not once--that was nice. So when I was
> done looking, I had questions and he greeted me with a smiley,
> "YESSIR!".
>
> A 2004 Wrangler for $17k that they had spinning on the front lawn of
> the dealership caught my attention. Then I asked him about the RUBICON.
> He asked me if I'd ever driven a jeep before and I told him that I had
> not. With that, he directed me away from the rubicons and led me to
> the Wranglers while telling me that he'd love to sell me a $30k jeep,
> but I wouldn't get my money's worth if I wasn't going to use it
> right--he was right and I appreciated it.
>
> They're offering 2007 jeeps for about $19 - $20k which isn't much more
> than the used $17k Wrangler they had out in front.
>
> So, I think I may be changing my tune a bit. I have access to a 2003
> Saturn ION that I can use a commuter and baby a new jeep. I told my
> wife that I'd only use the jeep a few times a year. She said, "no, if
> you had it, you'd use it every chance you'd have--or I would"
>
> I have to be honest with myself. I really don't know anything about
> jeeps and just recently understood with dana 30 is--the dealer
> explained the differences. My wife and I both want this jeep but we're
> thinking that if it's new, we may not have as many problems as we might
> potentially have with a really used jeep. I know that goes completely
> against what I initially thought but this jeep bug's biting me and my
> wife.
>
> So I think that I may do that because I'm finding that my stress levels
> of owning a jeep have diminished when I thought about getting a new
> one. I just have to wait for this year to finish and see what uncle
> sam's going to leave me with, if anything...
>
> thanks again for all your advice and I'll report in when I'm in the new
> jeep.
>
> -ac

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

One thing to watch out for that most of us had had to deal with....

Once your wife drives the damn thing, you need a second for 'her' or you
are stuck with the 'seconds'.....

I now own a CJ7 and a Cherokee... Volvo wagon gone....
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"nightrider.36" wrote:
>
> While searching for deals on a jeep, I ended up at the jeep dealer in
> Escondido, Ca--a northern suburb of San Diego, Ca. I was pleased that
> the salesman watched me like a hawk as I oogled at the new jeep flavors
> and didn't approach me once--not once--that was nice. So when I was
> done looking, I had questions and he greeted me with a smiley,
> "YESSIR!".
>
> A 2004 Wrangler for $17k that they had spinning on the front lawn of
> the dealership caught my attention. Then I asked him about the RUBICON.
> He asked me if I'd ever driven a jeep before and I told him that I had
> not. With that, he directed me away from the rubicons and led me to
> the Wranglers while telling me that he'd love to sell me a $30k jeep,
> but I wouldn't get my money's worth if I wasn't going to use it
> right--he was right and I appreciated it.
>
> They're offering 2007 jeeps for about $19 - $20k which isn't much more
> than the used $17k Wrangler they had out in front.
>
> So, I think I may be changing my tune a bit. I have access to a 2003
> Saturn ION that I can use a commuter and baby a new jeep. I told my
> wife that I'd only use the jeep a few times a year. She said, "no, if
> you had it, you'd use it every chance you'd have--or I would"
>
> I have to be honest with myself. I really don't know anything about
> jeeps and just recently understood with dana 30 is--the dealer
> explained the differences. My wife and I both want this jeep but we're
> thinking that if it's new, we may not have as many problems as we might
> potentially have with a really used jeep. I know that goes completely
> against what I initially thought but this jeep bug's biting me and my
> wife.
>
> So I think that I may do that because I'm finding that my stress levels
> of owning a jeep have diminished when I thought about getting a new
> one. I just have to wait for this year to finish and see what uncle
> sam's going to leave me with, if anything...
>
> thanks again for all your advice and I'll report in when I'm in the new
> jeep.
>
> -ac

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

If you plan to off road, you would be better off with the Rubicon. It has
much stouter axles, a better transfer case, and lockers. You would spend
more than the price difference between the two to make a standard TJ as good
as a Rubicon. Plus, the Rubicon is ready to go off the lot. Either way, get
the most Jeep you can afford. Stay away from the 4cyl if you can.

Dana 30 and 35 and the make and model numbers of the standard Jeep axles.
They are both garbage. The Rubicon comes with Dana 44's, front and rear.
MUCH stronger.

Carl


"nightrider.36" <alex.cordero@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164154986.917985.265960@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> While searching for deals on a jeep, I ended up at the jeep dealer in
> Escondido, Ca--a northern suburb of San Diego, Ca. I was pleased that
> the salesman watched me like a hawk as I oogled at the new jeep flavors
> and didn't approach me once--not once--that was nice. So when I was
> done looking, I had questions and he greeted me with a smiley,
> "YESSIR!".
>
> A 2004 Wrangler for $17k that they had spinning on the front lawn of
> the dealership caught my attention. Then I asked him about the RUBICON.
> He asked me if I'd ever driven a jeep before and I told him that I had
> not. With that, he directed me away from the rubicons and led me to
> the Wranglers while telling me that he'd love to sell me a $30k jeep,
> but I wouldn't get my money's worth if I wasn't going to use it
> right--he was right and I appreciated it.
>
> They're offering 2007 jeeps for about $19 - $20k which isn't much more
> than the used $17k Wrangler they had out in front.
>
> So, I think I may be changing my tune a bit. I have access to a 2003
> Saturn ION that I can use a commuter and baby a new jeep. I told my
> wife that I'd only use the jeep a few times a year. She said, "no, if
> you had it, you'd use it every chance you'd have--or I would"
>
> I have to be honest with myself. I really don't know anything about
> jeeps and just recently understood with dana 30 is--the dealer
> explained the differences. My wife and I both want this jeep but we're
> thinking that if it's new, we may not have as many problems as we might
> potentially have with a really used jeep. I know that goes completely
> against what I initially thought but this jeep bug's biting me and my
> wife.
>
> So I think that I may do that because I'm finding that my stress levels
> of owning a jeep have diminished when I thought about getting a new
> one. I just have to wait for this year to finish and see what uncle
> sam's going to leave me with, if anything...
>
> thanks again for all your advice and I'll report in when I'm in the new
> jeep.
>
> -ac
>

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

If you plan to off road, you would be better off with the Rubicon. It has
much stouter axles, a better transfer case, and lockers. You would spend
more than the price difference between the two to make a standard TJ as good
as a Rubicon. Plus, the Rubicon is ready to go off the lot. Either way, get
the most Jeep you can afford. Stay away from the 4cyl if you can.

Dana 30 and 35 and the make and model numbers of the standard Jeep axles.
They are both garbage. The Rubicon comes with Dana 44's, front and rear.
MUCH stronger.

Carl


"nightrider.36" <alex.cordero@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164154986.917985.265960@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> While searching for deals on a jeep, I ended up at the jeep dealer in
> Escondido, Ca--a northern suburb of San Diego, Ca. I was pleased that
> the salesman watched me like a hawk as I oogled at the new jeep flavors
> and didn't approach me once--not once--that was nice. So when I was
> done looking, I had questions and he greeted me with a smiley,
> "YESSIR!".
>
> A 2004 Wrangler for $17k that they had spinning on the front lawn of
> the dealership caught my attention. Then I asked him about the RUBICON.
> He asked me if I'd ever driven a jeep before and I told him that I had
> not. With that, he directed me away from the rubicons and led me to
> the Wranglers while telling me that he'd love to sell me a $30k jeep,
> but I wouldn't get my money's worth if I wasn't going to use it
> right--he was right and I appreciated it.
>
> They're offering 2007 jeeps for about $19 - $20k which isn't much more
> than the used $17k Wrangler they had out in front.
>
> So, I think I may be changing my tune a bit. I have access to a 2003
> Saturn ION that I can use a commuter and baby a new jeep. I told my
> wife that I'd only use the jeep a few times a year. She said, "no, if
> you had it, you'd use it every chance you'd have--or I would"
>
> I have to be honest with myself. I really don't know anything about
> jeeps and just recently understood with dana 30 is--the dealer
> explained the differences. My wife and I both want this jeep but we're
> thinking that if it's new, we may not have as many problems as we might
> potentially have with a really used jeep. I know that goes completely
> against what I initially thought but this jeep bug's biting me and my
> wife.
>
> So I think that I may do that because I'm finding that my stress levels
> of owning a jeep have diminished when I thought about getting a new
> one. I just have to wait for this year to finish and see what uncle
> sam's going to leave me with, if anything...
>
> thanks again for all your advice and I'll report in when I'm in the new
> jeep.
>
> -ac
>

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

If you plan to off road, you would be better off with the Rubicon. It has
much stouter axles, a better transfer case, and lockers. You would spend
more than the price difference between the two to make a standard TJ as good
as a Rubicon. Plus, the Rubicon is ready to go off the lot. Either way, get
the most Jeep you can afford. Stay away from the 4cyl if you can.

Dana 30 and 35 and the make and model numbers of the standard Jeep axles.
They are both garbage. The Rubicon comes with Dana 44's, front and rear.
MUCH stronger.

Carl


"nightrider.36" <alex.cordero@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164154986.917985.265960@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
> While searching for deals on a jeep, I ended up at the jeep dealer in
> Escondido, Ca--a northern suburb of San Diego, Ca. I was pleased that
> the salesman watched me like a hawk as I oogled at the new jeep flavors
> and didn't approach me once--not once--that was nice. So when I was
> done looking, I had questions and he greeted me with a smiley,
> "YESSIR!".
>
> A 2004 Wrangler for $17k that they had spinning on the front lawn of
> the dealership caught my attention. Then I asked him about the RUBICON.
> He asked me if I'd ever driven a jeep before and I told him that I had
> not. With that, he directed me away from the rubicons and led me to
> the Wranglers while telling me that he'd love to sell me a $30k jeep,
> but I wouldn't get my money's worth if I wasn't going to use it
> right--he was right and I appreciated it.
>
> They're offering 2007 jeeps for about $19 - $20k which isn't much more
> than the used $17k Wrangler they had out in front.
>
> So, I think I may be changing my tune a bit. I have access to a 2003
> Saturn ION that I can use a commuter and baby a new jeep. I told my
> wife that I'd only use the jeep a few times a year. She said, "no, if
> you had it, you'd use it every chance you'd have--or I would"
>
> I have to be honest with myself. I really don't know anything about
> jeeps and just recently understood with dana 30 is--the dealer
> explained the differences. My wife and I both want this jeep but we're
> thinking that if it's new, we may not have as many problems as we might
> potentially have with a really used jeep. I know that goes completely
> against what I initially thought but this jeep bug's biting me and my
> wife.
>
> So I think that I may do that because I'm finding that my stress levels
> of owning a jeep have diminished when I thought about getting a new
> one. I just have to wait for this year to finish and see what uncle
> sam's going to leave me with, if anything...
>
> thanks again for all your advice and I'll report in when I'm in the new
> jeep.
>
> -ac
>

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

Thanks Carl. unfortunately--the Rubicon is over my budget. I won't
spend 30k on a jeep--on anything--at least not yet--LOL. I've been
reading many websites that say that you can do a lot of fun things even
with the d30 & 35. I won't be doing any rock crawling because I haven't
a clue of how to do that. I see videos of jeeps crawling over
impoosible terrain--wet and muddy, impossible terrain in Moab--I won't
be doing that... LOL!! But I give all those people that can all of my
respect.

According to the dealer, they won't be making any more 4 cyl jeeps, so
I'll have a 6 cyl, I guess.

Alex
Carl wrote:
> If you plan to off road, you would be better off with the Rubicon. It has
> much stouter axles, a better transfer case, and lockers. You would spend
> more than the price difference between the two to make a standard TJ as good
> as a Rubicon. Plus, the Rubicon is ready to go off the lot. Either way, get
> the most Jeep you can afford. Stay away from the 4cyl if you can.
>
> Dana 30 and 35 and the make and model numbers of the standard Jeep axles.
> They are both garbage. The Rubicon comes with Dana 44's, front and rear.
> MUCH stronger.
>
> Carl

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

Thanks Carl. unfortunately--the Rubicon is over my budget. I won't
spend 30k on a jeep--on anything--at least not yet--LOL. I've been
reading many websites that say that you can do a lot of fun things even
with the d30 & 35. I won't be doing any rock crawling because I haven't
a clue of how to do that. I see videos of jeeps crawling over
impoosible terrain--wet and muddy, impossible terrain in Moab--I won't
be doing that... LOL!! But I give all those people that can all of my
respect.

According to the dealer, they won't be making any more 4 cyl jeeps, so
I'll have a 6 cyl, I guess.

Alex
Carl wrote:
> If you plan to off road, you would be better off with the Rubicon. It has
> much stouter axles, a better transfer case, and lockers. You would spend
> more than the price difference between the two to make a standard TJ as good
> as a Rubicon. Plus, the Rubicon is ready to go off the lot. Either way, get
> the most Jeep you can afford. Stay away from the 4cyl if you can.
>
> Dana 30 and 35 and the make and model numbers of the standard Jeep axles.
> They are both garbage. The Rubicon comes with Dana 44's, front and rear.
> MUCH stronger.
>
> Carl

Re: a nice trip to the Jeep dealer...
 

Thanks Carl. unfortunately--the Rubicon is over my budget. I won't
spend 30k on a jeep--on anything--at least not yet--LOL. I've been
reading many websites that say that you can do a lot of fun things even
with the d30 & 35. I won't be doing any rock crawling because I haven't
a clue of how to do that. I see videos of jeeps crawling over
impoosible terrain--wet and muddy, impossible terrain in Moab--I won't
be doing that... LOL!! But I give all those people that can all of my
respect.

According to the dealer, they won't be making any more 4 cyl jeeps, so
I'll have a 6 cyl, I guess.

Alex
Carl wrote:
> If you plan to off road, you would be better off with the Rubicon. It has
> much stouter axles, a better transfer case, and lockers. You would spend
> more than the price difference between the two to make a standard TJ as good
> as a Rubicon. Plus, the Rubicon is ready to go off the lot. Either way, get
> the most Jeep you can afford. Stay away from the 4cyl if you can.
>
> Dana 30 and 35 and the make and model numbers of the standard Jeep axles.
> They are both garbage. The Rubicon comes with Dana 44's, front and rear.
> MUCH stronger.
>
> Carl