Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message news:aIoKb.35063$NA3.27294@news01.roc.ny... > CRWLR wrote: > > > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1 > > richer in oil? yes > Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas per each part of oil. > > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested. > > Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil > Based on: > http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html > > If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces of > oil. Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5 > If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces of > oil. This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5 would be the same. > (numbers rounded for simplicity) > > Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal. > > Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas? > The 50:1 has more gas by double. You can make this easier ... Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio. |
Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message news:aIoKb.35063$NA3.27294@news01.roc.ny... > CRWLR wrote: > > > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1 > > richer in oil? yes > Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas per each part of oil. > > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested. > > Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil > Based on: > http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html > > If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces of > oil. Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5 > If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces of > oil. This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5 would be the same. > (numbers rounded for simplicity) > > Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal. > > Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas? > The 50:1 has more gas by double. You can make this easier ... Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio. |
Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message news:aIoKb.35063$NA3.27294@news01.roc.ny... > CRWLR wrote: > > > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1 > > richer in oil? yes > Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas per each part of oil. > > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested. > > Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil > Based on: > http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html > > If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces of > oil. Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5 > If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces of > oil. This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5 would be the same. > (numbers rounded for simplicity) > > Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal. > > Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas? > The 50:1 has more gas by double. You can make this easier ... Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio. |
Re: Newbie Questions
A 50:1 mixture is 50 parts of gas for each part of oil. A 25:1 mixture is 25
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas, there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture. The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues. Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up. "-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message news:btcut2$7qh$1@heap.juniper.net... > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote > > > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but 50:1 > > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very useful > > gear ratio for an automobile). > > > > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil, or > 50 > > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested. > > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns in > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more fuel > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1. > > > -- > - Jeff > - ........................ then again, what do I know. > > |
Re: Newbie Questions
A 50:1 mixture is 50 parts of gas for each part of oil. A 25:1 mixture is 25
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas, there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture. The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues. Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up. "-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message news:btcut2$7qh$1@heap.juniper.net... > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote > > > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but 50:1 > > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very useful > > gear ratio for an automobile). > > > > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil, or > 50 > > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested. > > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns in > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more fuel > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1. > > > -- > - Jeff > - ........................ then again, what do I know. > > |
Re: Newbie Questions
A 50:1 mixture is 50 parts of gas for each part of oil. A 25:1 mixture is 25
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas, there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture. The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues. Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up. "-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message news:btcut2$7qh$1@heap.juniper.net... > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote > > > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but 50:1 > > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very useful > > gear ratio for an automobile). > > > > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil, or > 50 > > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested. > > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns in > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more fuel > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1. > > > -- > - Jeff > - ........................ then again, what do I know. > > |
Re: Newbie Questions
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> "-jc" wrote > > "CRWLR" wrote > > > > > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, > > > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns > in > > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and > > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more > fuel > > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your > > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1. > > The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to > illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture > analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues. And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1. -- - Jeff - ........................ then again, what do I know. |
Re: Newbie Questions
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> "-jc" wrote > > "CRWLR" wrote > > > > > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, > > > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns > in > > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and > > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more > fuel > > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your > > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1. > > The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to > illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture > analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues. And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1. -- - Jeff - ........................ then again, what do I know. |
Re: Newbie Questions
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> "-jc" wrote > > "CRWLR" wrote > > > > > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, > > > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns > in > > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and > > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more > fuel > > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your > > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1. > > The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to > illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture > analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues. And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1. -- - Jeff - ........................ then again, what do I know. |
Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
I think we all know how to mix fuel for our chain saw now. I probably used
a bad analogy. Back to the original point... The higher the ratio (between ring gear and pinion teeth), the lower the gear. Or: http://www.csgnetwork.com/rnggrpinioncalc.html "The higher the ratio, the greater the pulling power but lower speed for the same number of engine revolutions." We can move on and agree, or agree to disagree. :-) JimG "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vvm6nl7a3hufce@corp.supernews.com... > > "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message > news:aIoKb.35063$NA3.27294@news01.roc.ny... > > CRWLR wrote: > > > > > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1 > > > > richer in oil? yes > > > Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas per > each part of oil. > > > > > > > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you > > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested. > > > > Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil > > Based on: > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html > > > > If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces of > > oil. > Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5 > my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz > > > If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces of > > oil. > > This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5 would > be the same. > my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz > > > (numbers rounded for simplicity) > > > > Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal. > > > > Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas? > > > > The 50:1 has more gas by double. > > > > You can make this easier ... > > Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50 > quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio. my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz |
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