new clutch time for the CJ
 

Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun fast,
and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on metal
sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it is
new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to be
33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out of
a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
over-the-counter clutch?

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

>Can I get better life expectance out of
>a little better clutch?

Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like the
pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year when I
had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

>Can I get better life expectance out of
>a little better clutch?

Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like the
pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year when I
had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

>Can I get better life expectance out of
>a little better clutch?

Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like the
pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year when I
had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

The borg warner T5 clutch is the best in my mind. They put it behind
the Mustang V8's and it grabs nice with the foot pressure you are used
to.

A centerforce clutch, while it does grab nice needs over 100 lb on the
pedal to push it down! My wife needed to pull up on the steering wheel
even to get the bugger down.

It would be great for a hydraulic setup though.

I broke my centerforce pressure plate and went back to the old borg
warner pressure plate I took out and love it.

I learned....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Fletcher wrote:
>
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

The borg warner T5 clutch is the best in my mind. They put it behind
the Mustang V8's and it grabs nice with the foot pressure you are used
to.

A centerforce clutch, while it does grab nice needs over 100 lb on the
pedal to push it down! My wife needed to pull up on the steering wheel
even to get the bugger down.

It would be great for a hydraulic setup though.

I broke my centerforce pressure plate and went back to the old borg
warner pressure plate I took out and love it.

I learned....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Fletcher wrote:
>
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

The borg warner T5 clutch is the best in my mind. They put it behind
the Mustang V8's and it grabs nice with the foot pressure you are used
to.

A centerforce clutch, while it does grab nice needs over 100 lb on the
pedal to push it down! My wife needed to pull up on the steering wheel
even to get the bugger down.

It would be great for a hydraulic setup though.

I broke my centerforce pressure plate and went back to the old borg
warner pressure plate I took out and love it.

I learned....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Fletcher wrote:
>
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

If you heard metal on metal, better figure on re-facing the fly wheel also.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:WJijb.91240$CV2.19670@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com ...
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun
fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on
metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it
is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to
be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out
of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?
>
>
>

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

If you heard metal on metal, better figure on re-facing the fly wheel also.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:WJijb.91240$CV2.19670@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com ...
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun
fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on
metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it
is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to
be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out
of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?
>
>
>

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

If you heard metal on metal, better figure on re-facing the fly wheel also.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
news:WJijb.91240$CV2.19670@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com ...
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun
fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on
metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it
is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to
be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out
of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?
>
>
>

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

You get what you pay for.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Fletcher wrote:
>
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

You get what you pay for.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Fletcher wrote:
>
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

You get what you pay for.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Fletcher wrote:
>
> Last night I took off from an intersection quick and the engine spun fast,
> and the jeep moved slow. On a quiet street I could hear the metal on metal
> sound of a thin clutch plate. The adjustment still feels perfect, so it is
> new clutch time for me. Question is should I spend a little extra for a
> name brand CenterForce I clutch for the ~$130 plus extra parts? How about
> the CenterForce II for ~$200 plus extra parts? Or should I get one from a
> local parts store for ~$130 that include all the parts including bearings,
> and cheapy tool? I am have the 258 engine, T5, D300, 32" tires (soon to be
> 33"), and 4.10 gears in an 83 CJ7. Can I get better life expectance out of
> a little better clutch? Or is the basic CenterForce the same as any other
> over-the-counter clutch?

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

Probably, the same reason most truckers don't use the clutch,
except stopped, then just long enough to slip it out of neutral.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like the
> pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year when I
> had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

Probably, the same reason most truckers don't use the clutch,
except stopped, then just long enough to slip it out of neutral.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like the
> pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year when I
> had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

Probably, the same reason most truckers don't use the clutch,
except stopped, then just long enough to slip it out of neutral.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like the
> pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year when I
> had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

Can I come over and get that CenterForce from you?

I have one in my CJ, and I like the way it grabs. I can make it slip if I
want, but I have a 73 Crawl Ratio, so slipping it doesn't happen very often.
When I need to slip it, I just put in in 1st and LO range, and let her rip.
I scream into motion at a blinding 1/2 mph.



"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031015172439.12785.00000411@mb-m19.aol.com...
> >Can I get better life expectance out of
> >a little better clutch?
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like
the
> pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year
when I
> had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

Can I come over and get that CenterForce from you?

I have one in my CJ, and I like the way it grabs. I can make it slip if I
want, but I have a 73 Crawl Ratio, so slipping it doesn't happen very often.
When I need to slip it, I just put in in 1st and LO range, and let her rip.
I scream into motion at a blinding 1/2 mph.



"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031015172439.12785.00000411@mb-m19.aol.com...
> >Can I get better life expectance out of
> >a little better clutch?
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like
the
> pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year
when I
> had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

Can I come over and get that CenterForce from you?

I have one in my CJ, and I like the way it grabs. I can make it slip if I
want, but I have a 73 Crawl Ratio, so slipping it doesn't happen very often.
When I need to slip it, I just put in in 1st and LO range, and let her rip.
I scream into motion at a blinding 1/2 mph.



"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20031015172439.12785.00000411@mb-m19.aol.com...
> >Can I get better life expectance out of
> >a little better clutch?
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I ran a CenterForce clutch once. Didn't really like
the
> pedal feel offroad, and changed it out for a "regular" clutch last year
when I
> had to replace the throwout bearing. No regrets so far.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

I'm running a C.F. Duel friction and I can say that after using it for 80K +
miles, the pedel is just a touch stiffer than stock (manual linkage)....not by
much at all. Although you shouldn't do it, I can slip this clutch all day and
it won't smoke/burn...it's really something else. Bad news is the price and
I've had a slight vibration since installed....the ring holding the weights on
mine is always off to one side and not centered.....that, I don't like.
Now my buddy went with a $150 autozone clutch kit and hates it.. it slips and
if you look at it wrong, it smokes.
I need to replace mine now as well....any thoughts on the Hays kits???

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

I'm running a C.F. Duel friction and I can say that after using it for 80K +
miles, the pedel is just a touch stiffer than stock (manual linkage)....not by
much at all. Although you shouldn't do it, I can slip this clutch all day and
it won't smoke/burn...it's really something else. Bad news is the price and
I've had a slight vibration since installed....the ring holding the weights on
mine is always off to one side and not centered.....that, I don't like.
Now my buddy went with a $150 autozone clutch kit and hates it.. it slips and
if you look at it wrong, it smokes.
I need to replace mine now as well....any thoughts on the Hays kits???

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

I'm running a C.F. Duel friction and I can say that after using it for 80K +
miles, the pedel is just a touch stiffer than stock (manual linkage)....not by
much at all. Although you shouldn't do it, I can slip this clutch all day and
it won't smoke/burn...it's really something else. Bad news is the price and
I've had a slight vibration since installed....the ring holding the weights on
mine is always off to one side and not centered.....that, I don't like.
Now my buddy went with a $150 autozone clutch kit and hates it.. it slips and
if you look at it wrong, it smokes.
I need to replace mine now as well....any thoughts on the Hays kits???

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

On 16 Oct 2003 01:41:14 GMT, onlyinajeepcj7@aol.com (Onlyinajeepcj7)
wrote:

>I'm running a C.F. Duel friction and I can say that after using it for 80K +
>miles, the pedel is just a touch stiffer than stock (manual linkage)....not by
>much at all. Although you shouldn't do it, I can slip this clutch all day and
>it won't smoke/burn...it's really something else. Bad news is the price and
>I've had a slight vibration since installed....the ring holding the weights on
>mine is always off to one side and not centered.....that, I don't like.
>Now my buddy went with a $150 autozone clutch kit and hates it.. it slips and
>if you look at it wrong, it smokes.
>I need to replace mine now as well....any thoughts on the Hays kits???


I had the same prob with my Duel Friction. I had replaced the engine
(258) with a long block. I had my old flywheel resurfaced but not
balanced (oops). Calling C.F. I was told that it was a commom problem
with 258's. The remedy?...have your engine and flywheel balanced.
Maybe next year.

SM

85 CJ7 :258, 4.0L head,Mopar MPI,Borla header/Cat-back,Centerforce
Duel friction clutch,NP435 tranny,Danna 300 transfer,Danna 44 front,
Ford 9" rear, 4.5" lift, reverse shackle,etc,etc,etc......and no
money.

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

On 16 Oct 2003 01:41:14 GMT, onlyinajeepcj7@aol.com (Onlyinajeepcj7)
wrote:

>I'm running a C.F. Duel friction and I can say that after using it for 80K +
>miles, the pedel is just a touch stiffer than stock (manual linkage)....not by
>much at all. Although you shouldn't do it, I can slip this clutch all day and
>it won't smoke/burn...it's really something else. Bad news is the price and
>I've had a slight vibration since installed....the ring holding the weights on
>mine is always off to one side and not centered.....that, I don't like.
>Now my buddy went with a $150 autozone clutch kit and hates it.. it slips and
>if you look at it wrong, it smokes.
>I need to replace mine now as well....any thoughts on the Hays kits???


I had the same prob with my Duel Friction. I had replaced the engine
(258) with a long block. I had my old flywheel resurfaced but not
balanced (oops). Calling C.F. I was told that it was a commom problem
with 258's. The remedy?...have your engine and flywheel balanced.
Maybe next year.

SM

85 CJ7 :258, 4.0L head,Mopar MPI,Borla header/Cat-back,Centerforce
Duel friction clutch,NP435 tranny,Danna 300 transfer,Danna 44 front,
Ford 9" rear, 4.5" lift, reverse shackle,etc,etc,etc......and no
money.

Re: new clutch time for the CJ
 

On 16 Oct 2003 01:41:14 GMT, onlyinajeepcj7@aol.com (Onlyinajeepcj7)
wrote:

>I'm running a C.F. Duel friction and I can say that after using it for 80K +
>miles, the pedel is just a touch stiffer than stock (manual linkage)....not by
>much at all. Although you shouldn't do it, I can slip this clutch all day and
>it won't smoke/burn...it's really something else. Bad news is the price and
>I've had a slight vibration since installed....the ring holding the weights on
>mine is always off to one side and not centered.....that, I don't like.
>Now my buddy went with a $150 autozone clutch kit and hates it.. it slips and
>if you look at it wrong, it smokes.
>I need to replace mine now as well....any thoughts on the Hays kits???


I had the same prob with my Duel Friction. I had replaced the engine
(258) with a long block. I had my old flywheel resurfaced but not
balanced (oops). Calling C.F. I was told that it was a commom problem
with 258's. The remedy?...have your engine and flywheel balanced.
Maybe next year.

SM

85 CJ7 :258, 4.0L head,Mopar MPI,Borla header/Cat-back,Centerforce
Duel friction clutch,NP435 tranny,Danna 300 transfer,Danna 44 front,
Ford 9" rear, 4.5" lift, reverse shackle,etc,etc,etc......and no
money.