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snowboardripper@hotmail.com 06-20-2006 10:15 AM

Need help with a problem
 
I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.

The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:00 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
straight again.

I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
>
> The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:00 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
straight again.

I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
>
> The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:00 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
straight again.

I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
>
> The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


snowboardripper@hotmail.com 06-20-2006 12:13 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Hi Mike
Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
know the boot is gone?
Thanks

Mike Romain wrote:
> I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> straight again.
>
> I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >
> > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.



snowboardripper@hotmail.com 06-20-2006 12:13 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Hi Mike
Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
know the boot is gone?
Thanks

Mike Romain wrote:
> I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> straight again.
>
> I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >
> > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.



snowboardripper@hotmail.com 06-20-2006 12:13 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Hi Mike
Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
know the boot is gone?
Thanks

Mike Romain wrote:
> I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> straight again.
>
> I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >
> > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.



Earle Horton 06-20-2006 12:15 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike,

I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if you
drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> straight again.
>
> I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >
> > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 12:15 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike,

I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if you
drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> straight again.
>
> I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >
> > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 12:15 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike,

I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if you
drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> straight again.
>
> I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >
> > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 12:38 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Ideally, you would drive the car for 1/2 hour, until the problem appears,
jack up the front end, and turn the wheels side to side, looking for
binding. This may manifest as a sudden, jerky motion while you are smoothly
trying to turn the wheels. The boot may not be gone. You have freshly
lubed the front end, of course. Murphy's Law dictates that the ball joint
without the grease fitting is the bad one though.

Earle

<snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150819988.528697.109180@r2g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi Mike
> Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> know the boot is gone?
> Thanks
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be

great.
>




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 12:38 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Ideally, you would drive the car for 1/2 hour, until the problem appears,
jack up the front end, and turn the wheels side to side, looking for
binding. This may manifest as a sudden, jerky motion while you are smoothly
trying to turn the wheels. The boot may not be gone. You have freshly
lubed the front end, of course. Murphy's Law dictates that the ball joint
without the grease fitting is the bad one though.

Earle

<snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150819988.528697.109180@r2g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi Mike
> Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> know the boot is gone?
> Thanks
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be

great.
>




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 12:38 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Ideally, you would drive the car for 1/2 hour, until the problem appears,
jack up the front end, and turn the wheels side to side, looking for
binding. This may manifest as a sudden, jerky motion while you are smoothly
trying to turn the wheels. The boot may not be gone. You have freshly
lubed the front end, of course. Murphy's Law dictates that the ball joint
without the grease fitting is the bad one though.

Earle

<snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150819988.528697.109180@r2g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi Mike
> Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> know the boot is gone?
> Thanks
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be

great.
>




Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:47 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
than the other side.

I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
blow out the boot.

Mike

snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Mike
> Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> know the boot is gone?
> Thanks
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:47 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
than the other side.

I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
blow out the boot.

Mike

snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Mike
> Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> know the boot is gone?
> Thanks
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:47 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
than the other side.

I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
blow out the boot.

Mike

snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Mike
> Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> know the boot is gone?
> Thanks
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:53 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
this summer.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if you
> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:53 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
this summer.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if you
> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 12:53 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
this summer.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if you
> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > straight again.
> >
> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > >
> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.


Will Honea 06-20-2006 02:10 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike, see if you can detect a difference in the ball joint motion when
you jack the front off the ground by lifting the frame as opposed to
lifting from the axle. It shouldn't make any difference with a solid
axle, but I found a bad ball joint on the MJ that way. Actually, I
finally got it high enough that my daughter could get a decent swing
with a 4-lb hammer while I had my hand wrapped around the joint to
feel for motion. Once I found the odd-ball one that way I managed to
confirm the play. Different amount of play with the wheels straight
ahead than I got with them turned.

That wasn't the real bind for me although it was part of it but you
don't have a trackbar on the CJ so that cause is out.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:47:42 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
> have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
> u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
> than the other side.
>
> I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
> blow out the boot.
>
> Mike
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike
> > Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> > something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> > know the boot is gone?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > > straight again.
> > >
> > > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > > >
> > > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.



--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-20-2006 02:10 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike, see if you can detect a difference in the ball joint motion when
you jack the front off the ground by lifting the frame as opposed to
lifting from the axle. It shouldn't make any difference with a solid
axle, but I found a bad ball joint on the MJ that way. Actually, I
finally got it high enough that my daughter could get a decent swing
with a 4-lb hammer while I had my hand wrapped around the joint to
feel for motion. Once I found the odd-ball one that way I managed to
confirm the play. Different amount of play with the wheels straight
ahead than I got with them turned.

That wasn't the real bind for me although it was part of it but you
don't have a trackbar on the CJ so that cause is out.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:47:42 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
> have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
> u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
> than the other side.
>
> I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
> blow out the boot.
>
> Mike
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike
> > Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> > something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> > know the boot is gone?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > > straight again.
> > >
> > > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > > >
> > > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.



--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-20-2006 02:10 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike, see if you can detect a difference in the ball joint motion when
you jack the front off the ground by lifting the frame as opposed to
lifting from the axle. It shouldn't make any difference with a solid
axle, but I found a bad ball joint on the MJ that way. Actually, I
finally got it high enough that my daughter could get a decent swing
with a 4-lb hammer while I had my hand wrapped around the joint to
feel for motion. Once I found the odd-ball one that way I managed to
confirm the play. Different amount of play with the wheels straight
ahead than I got with them turned.

That wasn't the real bind for me although it was part of it but you
don't have a trackbar on the CJ so that cause is out.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:47:42 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
> have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
> u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
> than the other side.
>
> I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
> blow out the boot.
>
> Mike
>
> snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike
> > Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> > something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> > know the boot is gone?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel will
> > > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when I
> > > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > > straight again.
> > >
> > > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> > > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> > > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> > > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around 1/2
> > > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a flat
> > > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> > > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > > >
> > > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be great.



--
Will Honea

billy ray 06-20-2006 03:39 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike, What all did we find underneath his TJ?

I recall there was some loose stuff but did we check it again afterwards?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:449827FF.762CE0C7@sympatico.ca...
> Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
> this summer.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if
>> you
>> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
>> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel
>> > will
>> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when
>> > I
>> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
>> > straight again.
>> >
>> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
>> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
>> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
>> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around
>> > > 1/2
>> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a
>> > > flat
>> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
>> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
>> > >
>> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be
>> > > great.




billy ray 06-20-2006 03:39 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike, What all did we find underneath his TJ?

I recall there was some loose stuff but did we check it again afterwards?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:449827FF.762CE0C7@sympatico.ca...
> Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
> this summer.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if
>> you
>> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
>> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel
>> > will
>> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when
>> > I
>> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
>> > straight again.
>> >
>> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
>> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
>> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
>> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around
>> > > 1/2
>> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a
>> > > flat
>> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
>> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
>> > >
>> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be
>> > > great.




billy ray 06-20-2006 03:39 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
Mike, What all did we find underneath his TJ?

I recall there was some loose stuff but did we check it again afterwards?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:449827FF.762CE0C7@sympatico.ca...
> Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
> this summer.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if
>> you
>> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
>> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel
>> > will
>> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when
>> > I
>> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
>> > straight again.
>> >
>> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
>> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
>> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
>> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around
>> > > 1/2
>> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a
>> > > flat
>> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
>> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
>> > >
>> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be
>> > > great.




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 03:51 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
bind sometimes though, before they get loose.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-V5igd8G3uXnC@anon.none.net...
> Mike, see if you can detect a difference in the ball joint motion when
> you jack the front off the ground by lifting the frame as opposed to
> lifting from the axle. It shouldn't make any difference with a solid
> axle, but I found a bad ball joint on the MJ that way. Actually, I
> finally got it high enough that my daughter could get a decent swing
> with a 4-lb hammer while I had my hand wrapped around the joint to
> feel for motion. Once I found the odd-ball one that way I managed to
> confirm the play. Different amount of play with the wheels straight
> ahead than I got with them turned.
>
> That wasn't the real bind for me although it was part of it but you
> don't have a trackbar on the CJ so that cause is out.
>
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:47:42 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
> > have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
> > u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
> > than the other side.
> >
> > I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
> > blow out the boot.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike
> > > Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> > > something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> > > know the boot is gone?
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel

will
> > > > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side

when I
> > > > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > > > straight again.
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got

under
> > > > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one

lower
> > > > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move

with
> > > > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around

1/2
> > > > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a

flat
> > > > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes

or
> > > > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be

great.
>
>
> --
> Will Honea




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 03:51 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
bind sometimes though, before they get loose.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-V5igd8G3uXnC@anon.none.net...
> Mike, see if you can detect a difference in the ball joint motion when
> you jack the front off the ground by lifting the frame as opposed to
> lifting from the axle. It shouldn't make any difference with a solid
> axle, but I found a bad ball joint on the MJ that way. Actually, I
> finally got it high enough that my daughter could get a decent swing
> with a 4-lb hammer while I had my hand wrapped around the joint to
> feel for motion. Once I found the odd-ball one that way I managed to
> confirm the play. Different amount of play with the wheels straight
> ahead than I got with them turned.
>
> That wasn't the real bind for me although it was part of it but you
> don't have a trackbar on the CJ so that cause is out.
>
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:47:42 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
> > have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
> > u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
> > than the other side.
> >
> > I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
> > blow out the boot.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike
> > > Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> > > something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> > > know the boot is gone?
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel

will
> > > > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side

when I
> > > > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > > > straight again.
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got

under
> > > > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one

lower
> > > > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move

with
> > > > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around

1/2
> > > > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a

flat
> > > > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes

or
> > > > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be

great.
>
>
> --
> Will Honea




Earle Horton 06-20-2006 03:51 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
bind sometimes though, before they get loose.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-V5igd8G3uXnC@anon.none.net...
> Mike, see if you can detect a difference in the ball joint motion when
> you jack the front off the ground by lifting the frame as opposed to
> lifting from the axle. It shouldn't make any difference with a solid
> axle, but I found a bad ball joint on the MJ that way. Actually, I
> finally got it high enough that my daughter could get a decent swing
> with a 4-lb hammer while I had my hand wrapped around the joint to
> feel for motion. Once I found the odd-ball one that way I managed to
> confirm the play. Different amount of play with the wheels straight
> ahead than I got with them turned.
>
> That wasn't the real bind for me although it was part of it but you
> don't have a trackbar on the CJ so that cause is out.
>
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:47:42 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > The steering pivots for the wheel on the axle are the ball joints. You
> > have one at the top and one at the very bottom above and below the axle
> > u-joint. I noticed the missing boot because something looked different
> > than the other side.
> >
> > I can't see movement in mine, but it has to be bad to move enough to
> > blow out the boot.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike
> > > Where should I look for this and what should I be looking for? Is it
> > > something easy to spot? Do I need to that the wheel off? How do you
> > > know the boot is gone?
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel

will
> > > > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side

when I
> > > > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> > > > straight again.
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got

under
> > > > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one

lower
> > > > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move

with
> > > > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around

1/2
> > > > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a

flat
> > > > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes

or
> > > > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be

great.
>
>
> --
> Will Honea




Mike Romain 06-20-2006 04:50 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
That was a bad track bar. I think both ends were bad or loose. This
feels totally different. It feels like driving on a flat tire where you
have to hold on tight to the steering wheel half turned.

Mike

billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, What all did we find underneath his TJ?
>
> I recall there was some loose stuff but did we check it again afterwards?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:449827FF.762CE0C7@sympatico.ca...
> > Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
> > this summer.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if
> >> you
> >> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> >> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel
> >> > will
> >> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when
> >> > I
> >> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> >> > straight again.
> >> >
> >> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> >> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> >> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> >> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around
> >> > > 1/2
> >> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a
> >> > > flat
> >> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> >> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >> > >
> >> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be
> >> > > great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 04:50 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
That was a bad track bar. I think both ends were bad or loose. This
feels totally different. It feels like driving on a flat tire where you
have to hold on tight to the steering wheel half turned.

Mike

billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, What all did we find underneath his TJ?
>
> I recall there was some loose stuff but did we check it again afterwards?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:449827FF.762CE0C7@sympatico.ca...
> > Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
> > this summer.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if
> >> you
> >> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> >> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel
> >> > will
> >> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when
> >> > I
> >> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> >> > straight again.
> >> >
> >> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> >> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> >> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> >> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around
> >> > > 1/2
> >> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a
> >> > > flat
> >> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> >> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >> > >
> >> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be
> >> > > great.


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 04:50 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
That was a bad track bar. I think both ends were bad or loose. This
feels totally different. It feels like driving on a flat tire where you
have to hold on tight to the steering wheel half turned.

Mike

billy ray wrote:
>
> Mike, What all did we find underneath his TJ?
>
> I recall there was some loose stuff but did we check it again afterwards?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:449827FF.762CE0C7@sympatico.ca...
> > Gotta fix it.... I am planning to put about 3000 miles on her later
> > this summer.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> I have seen them bind up like that, instead of getting loose. Heh, if
> >> you
> >> drive it long enough, and if you survive, it will loosen up for sure.
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:44981B84.653FC80D@sympatico.ca...
> >> > I have what seems like the exact same trouble on my CJ7. The wheel
> >> > will
> >> > bind and stay about half a turn cocked while pulling to that side when
> >> > I
> >> > come back straight, like a flat does, then suddenly it will come
> >> > straight again.
> >> >
> >> > I was thinking maybe a bad steering stabilizer shock until I got under
> >> > and looked real close. I then noticed the rubber boot around one lower
> >> > ball joint gone. I will be damned if I can get that joint to move with
> >> > a pry bar and jacks, but it sure acts like it could be toast.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > snowboardripper@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a TJ jeep 6cly 4.0L 2002. When I drive the jeep for around
> >> > > 1/2
> >> > > then make a sharp turn it seems like the wheel binds and I have a
> >> > > flat
> >> > > tire. This only occurs if the jeep has been driven for 20 minutes or
> >> > > longer. If I take it for a spin around the block it is ok.
> >> > >
> >> > > The U-Joints are find, and I am out of ideas. Any help would be
> >> > > great.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 06-20-2006 05:53 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
While that ball joint is in a bind with rust a crud filling the
socket, the tire wear will cut off the outside tread with our over
center wheels, the bad camber, will look like a toe-in that only effects
that side.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
> used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
> bind sometimes though, before they get loose.
>
> Earle


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 06-20-2006 05:53 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
While that ball joint is in a bind with rust a crud filling the
socket, the tire wear will cut off the outside tread with our over
center wheels, the bad camber, will look like a toe-in that only effects
that side.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
> used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
> bind sometimes though, before they get loose.
>
> Earle


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 06-20-2006 05:53 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
While that ball joint is in a bind with rust a crud filling the
socket, the tire wear will cut off the outside tread with our over
center wheels, the bad camber, will look like a toe-in that only effects
that side.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
> used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
> bind sometimes though, before they get loose.
>
> Earle


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 06-20-2006 06:24 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
This will also find the bad axle universal joint, I believe is
causing that wobble in his turn.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Ideally, you would drive the car for 1/2 hour, until the problem appears,
> jack up the front end, and turn the wheels side to side, looking for
> binding. This may manifest as a sudden, jerky motion while you are smoothly
> trying to turn the wheels. The boot may not be gone. You have freshly
> lubed the front end, of course. Murphy's Law dictates that the ball joint
> without the grease fitting is the bad one though.
>
> Earle


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 06-20-2006 06:24 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
This will also find the bad axle universal joint, I believe is
causing that wobble in his turn.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Ideally, you would drive the car for 1/2 hour, until the problem appears,
> jack up the front end, and turn the wheels side to side, looking for
> binding. This may manifest as a sudden, jerky motion while you are smoothly
> trying to turn the wheels. The boot may not be gone. You have freshly
> lubed the front end, of course. Murphy's Law dictates that the ball joint
> without the grease fitting is the bad one though.
>
> Earle


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 06-20-2006 06:24 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
This will also find the bad axle universal joint, I believe is
causing that wobble in his turn.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Ideally, you would drive the car for 1/2 hour, until the problem appears,
> jack up the front end, and turn the wheels side to side, looking for
> binding. This may manifest as a sudden, jerky motion while you are smoothly
> trying to turn the wheels. The boot may not be gone. You have freshly
> lubed the front end, of course. Murphy's Law dictates that the ball joint
> without the grease fitting is the bad one though.
>
> Earle


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 06:43 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
I just had the outer wheel bearing blow out on that side and the wheel
cupped inside and out. Fixed that and an inner wheel bearing on the
other side too. No help with the pull...

I put the cupped one on the back and the SOB howled for the first
hundred miles....

Mike

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> While that ball joint is in a bind with rust a crud filling the
> socket, the tire wear will cut off the outside tread with our over
> center wheels, the bad camber, will look like a toe-in that only effects
> that side.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
> > used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
> > bind sometimes though, before they get loose.
> >
> > Earle


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 06:43 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
I just had the outer wheel bearing blow out on that side and the wheel
cupped inside and out. Fixed that and an inner wheel bearing on the
other side too. No help with the pull...

I put the cupped one on the back and the SOB howled for the first
hundred miles....

Mike

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> While that ball joint is in a bind with rust a crud filling the
> socket, the tire wear will cut off the outside tread with our over
> center wheels, the bad camber, will look like a toe-in that only effects
> that side.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
> > used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
> > bind sometimes though, before they get loose.
> >
> > Earle


Mike Romain 06-20-2006 06:43 PM

Re: Need help with a problem
 
I just had the outer wheel bearing blow out on that side and the wheel
cupped inside and out. Fixed that and an inner wheel bearing on the
other side too. No help with the pull...

I put the cupped one on the back and the SOB howled for the first
hundred miles....

Mike

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> While that ball joint is in a bind with rust a crud filling the
> socket, the tire wear will cut off the outside tread with our over
> center wheels, the bad camber, will look like a toe-in that only effects
> that side.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > State inspection guys in Massachusetts, when I was first learning to drive,
> > used a great big crow bar under the wheels, after jacking up. They will
> > bind sometimes though, before they get loose.
> >
> > Earle



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