Re: My new MT/R's freaked me out...
I read the first paragraph and fell asleep. Whats the readers digest
version? KH "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message news:20041106014225.23417.00000183@mb-m03.aol.com... > These would be the ones I mounted on my '97 TJ this fall. 31x10.50's. > > Up at elk camp this year, the conditions were tough for the second year in > a > row. We hunt a roadless wilderness area at 6000-7500 ft. in Oregon and > it > gets coooold, and snows. There's this one road that goes up and over > the > mountain, that you use to access the trailheads. It gets pretty hairy > since > there was also a big fire in this area 5 or 6 years ago and in some spots > there's nothing to stop you if you go off the road since the trees all > died and > have fallen over now and it's steeper'n crap. You would just plunge. > This is > not really a problem if you are even a half-assed driver because USUALLY, > if > the road should happen to be that bad, it's where there IS timber to at > least > catch you if it all goes south on you. Or, in the spots where the timber > burned, the road is icy or snowy but perfectly reasonable to drive on. > Any old > idgit could do it. Or, furthermore, most hunters would not have any need > to > go all the way up since 3 out of the 4 trailheads are accessible without > risking a permanent pucker in one's nether regions. Or worse. > > However, for those sturdy, intrepid, brave and stupid hunters wishing to > go in > on the 4th trailhead, for the simple reason that judging from the > bootprints > nobody else is even hunting it, for those rare beings there exists a > section > of road. A section of road that seems designed to kill someone. A > section of > road that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. A section of road that, at > it's > worse, tests the limits of driver and machine. And tires. A section we > shall > call... Valhalla. > > Imagine you come over this mountain. You are 45 minutes of crawling up > the > snow and ice and muddy road from camp. it's had it's spots but nothing > too > bad. It's a dirt road at best, minimally maintained by the Forest > Service. > You come to the top. There's this like Official Regional Observation > Tower up > there. Even though you are hours from anywhere, your cell phone has 3 > bars. > You can see for 60-80 miles in 3 directions (4 from the top of the tower) > and > it's all wild. There's elk all over down there, you just know it. So. > You > come over that mountain and hit the other side, and it's like they let the > junior civil enginaeer take over. Suddenly the road seems designed to > kill > you. Sharp corners tilt wrong. It is steep; if you go off the road in > some > places, they MIGHT find your bleached bones in the spring. Maybe not. > Depends > on if the coyotes or crows got into you, I suppose. There's places > where you > can see other folks had trouble. They went off the road on this corner > here > and had to get yarded out, they spun their wheels there trying to turn > around, > in a rare wide spot, after chickening out. So all that happens THEN you > hit > the real killer, a long straight stretch about 100 yards long with about a > 2-foot shoulder, max, between the road and oblivion. It's steep beyond > belief, > there's nothing to catch you, and here's the catch... the road slopes, > subtly > in some spots and glaringly in others, TOWARDS the edge. How friggin' > hard is > it to make a road right? Or fix a broken one? Sweet Jesus H. Christ, you > get > about 40 yeards out there, and your rig starts to let go... just a little, > just > enough to let you know who's (not) in charge here. Worst is still to > come. > You can see it coming since you are crawling in 4-lo with 4.10's and 31's > as > slow as you can go. You get to the worst part and it's not subtle now, > the > abyss is sucking the ass end of your Jeep into hell. That slope wants > your > ass. You can try and pull the rig along with the front end but that also > makes you get sideways. The more sideways you get the more your apotions > narrow. Nose slanted uphill, ass end slanted down and the slowdown of > time > and tunnel vision start. Fight or flight or sqeel like a pig and just > give up, > punch it and see WTF happens anythign is better than this slow torture... > > I did it both unchained (packed snow) and then chained up front (ice) and > it > sucked each of the 4 times i did it. Going downhill was the worse. I > kept > going up there because there were elk up there.... > > ....so, and I hope you enjoyed my story, this is a long-winded way of > knocking > my MT/R's preformance on ice. They had almost no lateral control; if > there was > low spot, my TJ went to it pretty much always, the back end especially. > Considerably worse than the BFG AT's I had on there last year. I knew > knobby > tires were gonna be bad on ice but this was sort of stunning. In snow, > they > were funny... slippery in general but they would reall "hook up" if I > goosed it > and spun 'em a little. So I found myself using the front end of the Jeep > to > sort of haul the back end around a lot. It was extreme, and that's coming > from > someone who normally drives a pickup. > > Next year I'll have chains for all 4 tires or different tires. I do like > my > MT/R's for the things I bought them for: commuting to work, and general > wheelin' in western Oregon, which means sticky mud in the fall and winter > and > spring. But do NOT buy them as snow/ice tires!! > > That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. > > -jeff > |
Re: My new MT/R's freaked me out...
He's at the bottom of a ravine, dictating the events via wireless to
his wife who posted this as a warning to others. He said he wished he just went to the supermarket instead of hunting. Or, I could have mis-read it. :-) Tony On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:20:56 -0800, "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote: >I read the first paragraph and fell asleep. Whats the readers digest >version? >KH > > >"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20041106014225.23417.00000183@mb-m03.aol.com... >> These would be the ones I mounted on my '97 TJ this fall. 31x10.50's. >> >> Up at elk camp this year, the conditions were tough for the second year in >> a >> row. We hunt a roadless wilderness area at 6000-7500 ft. in Oregon and >> it >> gets coooold, and snows. There's this one road that goes up and over >> the >> mountain, that you use to access the trailheads. It gets pretty hairy >> since >> there was also a big fire in this area 5 or 6 years ago and in some spots >> there's nothing to stop you if you go off the road since the trees all >> died and >> have fallen over now and it's steeper'n crap. You would just plunge. >> This is >> not really a problem if you are even a half-assed driver because USUALLY, >> if >> the road should happen to be that bad, it's where there IS timber to at >> least >> catch you if it all goes south on you. Or, in the spots where the timber >> burned, the road is icy or snowy but perfectly reasonable to drive on. >> Any old >> idgit could do it. Or, furthermore, most hunters would not have any need >> to >> go all the way up since 3 out of the 4 trailheads are accessible without >> risking a permanent pucker in one's nether regions. Or worse. >> >> However, for those sturdy, intrepid, brave and stupid hunters wishing to >> go in >> on the 4th trailhead, for the simple reason that judging from the >> bootprints >> nobody else is even hunting it, for those rare beings there exists a >> section >> of road. A section of road that seems designed to kill someone. A >> section of >> road that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. A section of road that, at >> it's >> worse, tests the limits of driver and machine. And tires. A section we >> shall >> call... Valhalla. >> >> Imagine you come over this mountain. You are 45 minutes of crawling up >> the >> snow and ice and muddy road from camp. it's had it's spots but nothing >> too >> bad. It's a dirt road at best, minimally maintained by the Forest >> Service. >> You come to the top. There's this like Official Regional Observation >> Tower up >> there. Even though you are hours from anywhere, your cell phone has 3 >> bars. >> You can see for 60-80 miles in 3 directions (4 from the top of the tower) >> and >> it's all wild. There's elk all over down there, you just know it. So. >> You >> come over that mountain and hit the other side, and it's like they let the >> junior civil enginaeer take over. Suddenly the road seems designed to >> kill >> you. Sharp corners tilt wrong. It is steep; if you go off the road in >> some >> places, they MIGHT find your bleached bones in the spring. Maybe not. >> Depends >> on if the coyotes or crows got into you, I suppose. There's places >> where you >> can see other folks had trouble. They went off the road on this corner >> here >> and had to get yarded out, they spun their wheels there trying to turn >> around, >> in a rare wide spot, after chickening out. So all that happens THEN you >> hit >> the real killer, a long straight stretch about 100 yards long with about a >> 2-foot shoulder, max, between the road and oblivion. It's steep beyond >> belief, >> there's nothing to catch you, and here's the catch... the road slopes, >> subtly >> in some spots and glaringly in others, TOWARDS the edge. How friggin' >> hard is >> it to make a road right? Or fix a broken one? Sweet Jesus H. Christ, you >> get >> about 40 yeards out there, and your rig starts to let go... just a little, >> just >> enough to let you know who's (not) in charge here. Worst is still to >> come. >> You can see it coming since you are crawling in 4-lo with 4.10's and 31's >> as >> slow as you can go. You get to the worst part and it's not subtle now, >> the >> abyss is sucking the ass end of your Jeep into hell. That slope wants >> your >> ass. You can try and pull the rig along with the front end but that also >> makes you get sideways. The more sideways you get the more your apotions >> narrow. Nose slanted uphill, ass end slanted down and the slowdown of >> time >> and tunnel vision start. Fight or flight or sqeel like a pig and just >> give up, >> punch it and see WTF happens anythign is better than this slow torture... >> >> I did it both unchained (packed snow) and then chained up front (ice) and >> it >> sucked each of the 4 times i did it. Going downhill was the worse. I >> kept >> going up there because there were elk up there.... >> >> ....so, and I hope you enjoyed my story, this is a long-winded way of >> knocking >> my MT/R's preformance on ice. They had almost no lateral control; if >> there was >> low spot, my TJ went to it pretty much always, the back end especially. >> Considerably worse than the BFG AT's I had on there last year. I knew >> knobby >> tires were gonna be bad on ice but this was sort of stunning. In snow, >> they >> were funny... slippery in general but they would reall "hook up" if I >> goosed it >> and spun 'em a little. So I found myself using the front end of the Jeep >> to >> sort of haul the back end around a lot. It was extreme, and that's coming >> from >> someone who normally drives a pickup. >> >> Next year I'll have chains for all 4 tires or different tires. I do like >> my >> MT/R's for the things I bought them for: commuting to work, and general >> wheelin' in western Oregon, which means sticky mud in the fall and winter >> and >> spring. But do NOT buy them as snow/ice tires!! >> >> That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. >> >> -jeff >> > |
Re: My new MT/R's freaked me out...
He's at the bottom of a ravine, dictating the events via wireless to
his wife who posted this as a warning to others. He said he wished he just went to the supermarket instead of hunting. Or, I could have mis-read it. :-) Tony On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:20:56 -0800, "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoospam.com> wrote: >I read the first paragraph and fell asleep. Whats the readers digest >version? >KH > > >"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20041106014225.23417.00000183@mb-m03.aol.com... >> These would be the ones I mounted on my '97 TJ this fall. 31x10.50's. >> >> Up at elk camp this year, the conditions were tough for the second year in >> a >> row. We hunt a roadless wilderness area at 6000-7500 ft. in Oregon and >> it >> gets coooold, and snows. There's this one road that goes up and over >> the >> mountain, that you use to access the trailheads. It gets pretty hairy >> since >> there was also a big fire in this area 5 or 6 years ago and in some spots >> there's nothing to stop you if you go off the road since the trees all >> died and >> have fallen over now and it's steeper'n crap. You would just plunge. >> This is >> not really a problem if you are even a half-assed driver because USUALLY, >> if >> the road should happen to be that bad, it's where there IS timber to at >> least >> catch you if it all goes south on you. Or, in the spots where the timber >> burned, the road is icy or snowy but perfectly reasonable to drive on. >> Any old >> idgit could do it. Or, furthermore, most hunters would not have any need >> to >> go all the way up since 3 out of the 4 trailheads are accessible without >> risking a permanent pucker in one's nether regions. Or worse. >> >> However, for those sturdy, intrepid, brave and stupid hunters wishing to >> go in >> on the 4th trailhead, for the simple reason that judging from the >> bootprints >> nobody else is even hunting it, for those rare beings there exists a >> section >> of road. A section of road that seems designed to kill someone. A >> section of >> road that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. A section of road that, at >> it's >> worse, tests the limits of driver and machine. And tires. A section we >> shall >> call... Valhalla. >> >> Imagine you come over this mountain. You are 45 minutes of crawling up >> the >> snow and ice and muddy road from camp. it's had it's spots but nothing >> too >> bad. It's a dirt road at best, minimally maintained by the Forest >> Service. >> You come to the top. There's this like Official Regional Observation >> Tower up >> there. Even though you are hours from anywhere, your cell phone has 3 >> bars. >> You can see for 60-80 miles in 3 directions (4 from the top of the tower) >> and >> it's all wild. There's elk all over down there, you just know it. So. >> You >> come over that mountain and hit the other side, and it's like they let the >> junior civil enginaeer take over. Suddenly the road seems designed to >> kill >> you. Sharp corners tilt wrong. It is steep; if you go off the road in >> some >> places, they MIGHT find your bleached bones in the spring. Maybe not. >> Depends >> on if the coyotes or crows got into you, I suppose. There's places >> where you >> can see other folks had trouble. They went off the road on this corner >> here >> and had to get yarded out, they spun their wheels there trying to turn >> around, >> in a rare wide spot, after chickening out. So all that happens THEN you >> hit >> the real killer, a long straight stretch about 100 yards long with about a >> 2-foot shoulder, max, between the road and oblivion. It's steep beyond >> belief, >> there's nothing to catch you, and here's the catch... the road slopes, >> subtly >> in some spots and glaringly in others, TOWARDS the edge. How friggin' >> hard is >> it to make a road right? Or fix a broken one? Sweet Jesus H. Christ, you >> get >> about 40 yeards out there, and your rig starts to let go... just a little, >> just >> enough to let you know who's (not) in charge here. Worst is still to >> come. >> You can see it coming since you are crawling in 4-lo with 4.10's and 31's >> as >> slow as you can go. You get to the worst part and it's not subtle now, >> the >> abyss is sucking the ass end of your Jeep into hell. That slope wants >> your >> ass. You can try and pull the rig along with the front end but that also >> makes you get sideways. The more sideways you get the more your apotions >> narrow. Nose slanted uphill, ass end slanted down and the slowdown of >> time >> and tunnel vision start. Fight or flight or sqeel like a pig and just >> give up, >> punch it and see WTF happens anythign is better than this slow torture... >> >> I did it both unchained (packed snow) and then chained up front (ice) and >> it >> sucked each of the 4 times i did it. Going downhill was the worse. I >> kept >> going up there because there were elk up there.... >> >> ....so, and I hope you enjoyed my story, this is a long-winded way of >> knocking >> my MT/R's preformance on ice. They had almost no lateral control; if >> there was >> low spot, my TJ went to it pretty much always, the back end especially. >> Considerably worse than the BFG AT's I had on there last year. I knew >> knobby >> tires were gonna be bad on ice but this was sort of stunning. In snow, >> they >> were funny... slippery in general but they would reall "hook up" if I >> goosed it >> and spun 'em a little. So I found myself using the front end of the Jeep >> to >> sort of haul the back end around a lot. It was extreme, and that's coming >> from >> someone who normally drives a pickup. >> >> Next year I'll have chains for all 4 tires or different tires. I do like >> my >> MT/R's for the things I bought them for: commuting to work, and general >> wheelin' in western Oregon, which means sticky mud in the fall and winter >> and >> spring. But do NOT buy them as snow/ice tires!! >> >> That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. >> >> -jeff >> > |
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