More Wrangler questions
 

If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
off road??

--
boots

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Hmmmmmm any year would be fine. But I think it was '91 when they
started using fuel injection instead of carb if that matters to you.

Dave
http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:28:48 -0500, "Boots Crofoot" <boots@dcwis.com>
wrote:

>If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
>go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
>off road??

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Hmmmmmm any year would be fine. But I think it was '91 when they
started using fuel injection instead of carb if that matters to you.

Dave
http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:28:48 -0500, "Boots Crofoot" <boots@dcwis.com>
wrote:

>If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
>go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
>off road??

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

If it's the name Wrangler, that turns you on, then the year it was
introduced was '87.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Boots Crofoot wrote:
>
> If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> off road??
>
> --
> boots

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

If it's the name Wrangler, that turns you on, then the year it was
introduced was '87.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Boots Crofoot wrote:
>
> If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> off road??
>
> --
> boots

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

I prefer the 'classic look' Jeeps with the round headlights. CJ's to be
exact.

You can go any year, just look for a solid one with no floor rot. One
that has stock sized tires is 'usually' a better one. That 'usually'
means it hasn't been off roaded hard.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Boots Crofoot wrote:
>
> If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> off road??
>
> --
> boots

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

I prefer the 'classic look' Jeeps with the round headlights. CJ's to be
exact.

You can go any year, just look for a solid one with no floor rot. One
that has stock sized tires is 'usually' a better one. That 'usually'
means it hasn't been off roaded hard.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Boots Crofoot wrote:
>
> If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> off road??
>
> --
> boots

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
tire size though!

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F53AB4D.AB808E7E@sympatico.ca...
> I prefer the 'classic look' Jeeps with the round headlights. CJ's to be
> exact.
>
> You can go any year, just look for a solid one with no floor rot. One
> that has stock sized tires is 'usually' a better one. That 'usually'
> means it hasn't been off roaded hard.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Boots Crofoot wrote:
> >
> > If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> > go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> > off road??
> >
> > --
> > boots

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
tire size though!

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F53AB4D.AB808E7E@sympatico.ca...
> I prefer the 'classic look' Jeeps with the round headlights. CJ's to be
> exact.
>
> You can go any year, just look for a solid one with no floor rot. One
> that has stock sized tires is 'usually' a better one. That 'usually'
> means it hasn't been off roaded hard.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Boots Crofoot wrote:
> >
> > If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> > go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> > off road??
> >
> > --
> > boots

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Amen.

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
> tire size though!
>
> Earle

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Amen.

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
> tire size though!
>
> Earle

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>tire size though!

I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
now they're kinda growing on me.
Never thought about the tire size tip, but it seems fairly logical,
and probably holds true in the case of my truck.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>tire size though!

I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
now they're kinda growing on me.
Never thought about the tire size tip, but it seems fairly logical,
and probably holds true in the case of my truck.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

> If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> off road??


For a highway use daily driver, I would stick with the current body
style (what is known as the 'TJ'.) These jeeps were made starting in
the 1997 model year until present day. You will find them the easiest
to drive on the highway and the softest suspension of the various
Wrangler-style jeep vehicles. They also have the most modern
conveniences and safety features, such as air-bags, which older jeeps
lack.

The older pre-1985 jeeps (CJs) are not ideally suited for frequent
commuting and highway driving. Especially the old Willys and CJ2s,
which in my opinion are completely unsafe due to lacking a roll bar.

The intermediate generation, (the 'YJ') was made from 1986-1996.
These are the ones with the square headlights. They are halfway
between the TJs and the CJs as far as safety and practicality as a
daily driver. However, it is widely accepted that anyone who drives a
square-headlighted jeep is an effeminate homosexual commie pinko
liberal environmentalist. If that is the image you are going for, get
a YJ.

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

> If I were to get a used one, what is the farthest I should
> go back in years. I will just be using it for street use not
> off road??


For a highway use daily driver, I would stick with the current body
style (what is known as the 'TJ'.) These jeeps were made starting in
the 1997 model year until present day. You will find them the easiest
to drive on the highway and the softest suspension of the various
Wrangler-style jeep vehicles. They also have the most modern
conveniences and safety features, such as air-bags, which older jeeps
lack.

The older pre-1985 jeeps (CJs) are not ideally suited for frequent
commuting and highway driving. Especially the old Willys and CJ2s,
which in my opinion are completely unsafe due to lacking a roll bar.

The intermediate generation, (the 'YJ') was made from 1986-1996.
These are the ones with the square headlights. They are halfway
between the TJs and the CJs as far as safety and practicality as a
daily driver. However, it is widely accepted that anyone who drives a
square-headlighted jeep is an effeminate homosexual commie pinko
liberal environmentalist. If that is the image you are going for, get
a YJ.

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Old Crow wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>>tire size though!
>
>
> I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> now they're kinda growing on me.

If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
at illuminating them! ;-)

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Old Crow wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>>tire size though!
>
>
> I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> now they're kinda growing on me.

If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
at illuminating them! ;-)

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

You are the first person I've heard of that actually prefers the square
headlights on a wrangler...

"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bj2gto$fu1$0@pita.alt.net...
> Old Crow wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> > <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> >>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip
regarding
> >>tire size though!
> >
> >
> > I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> > now they're kinda growing on me.
>
> If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> at illuminating them! ;-)
>

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

You are the first person I've heard of that actually prefers the square
headlights on a wrangler...

"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bj2gto$fu1$0@pita.alt.net...
> Old Crow wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> > <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> >>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip
regarding
> >>tire size though!
> >
> >
> > I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> > now they're kinda growing on me.
>
> If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> at illuminating them! ;-)
>

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

I believe that to be true, as I experienced with my Bronco back in
'78 that came stock with Halogens.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------


Cal Wheeler wrote:
>
> Old Crow wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> > <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> >>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
> >>tire size though!
> >
> >
> > I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> > now they're kinda growing on me.
>
> If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> at illuminating them! ;-)

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

I believe that to be true, as I experienced with my Bronco back in
'78 that came stock with Halogens.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------


Cal Wheeler wrote:
>
> Old Crow wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> > <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> >>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
> >>tire size though!
> >
> >
> > I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> > now they're kinda growing on me.
>
> If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> at illuminating them! ;-)

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Approximately 9/2/03 09:36, Cal Wheeler uttered for posterity:

> Old Crow wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>>>tire size though!
>>
>>
>> I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
>> now they're kinda growing on me.
>
> If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> at illuminating them! ;-)

Perhaps the OtherPoster drives a lot through old culverts
and drainage pipes, where the round light pattern is of
more benefit.

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Approximately 9/2/03 09:36, Cal Wheeler uttered for posterity:

> Old Crow wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>>>tire size though!
>>
>>
>> I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
>> now they're kinda growing on me.
>
> If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> at illuminating them! ;-)

Perhaps the OtherPoster drives a lot through old culverts
and drainage pipes, where the round light pattern is of
more benefit.

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Approximately 9/2/03 09:36, Cal Wheeler uttered for posterity:
>
> > Old Crow wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> >> <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> >>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
> >>>tire size though!
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> >> now they're kinda growing on me.
> >
> > If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> > headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> > relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> > at illuminating them! ;-)
>
> Perhaps the OtherPoster drives a lot through old culverts
> and drainage pipes, where the round light pattern is of
> more benefit.

Well, that was me and as a matter of fact the trails I mostly run on are
recessed into the ground with the shoulder up a few feet so it is like
driving in a drainage pipe.

Found out the last one was 3" deep after a rain....

Man, you still can't beat that CJ 'face' in my book....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Approximately 9/2/03 09:36, Cal Wheeler uttered for posterity:
>
> > Old Crow wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> >> <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
> >>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
> >>>tire size though!
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
> >> now they're kinda growing on me.
> >
> > If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
> > headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
> > relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
> > at illuminating them! ;-)
>
> Perhaps the OtherPoster drives a lot through old culverts
> and drainage pipes, where the round light pattern is of
> more benefit.

Well, that was me and as a matter of fact the trails I mostly run on are
recessed into the ground with the shoulder up a few feet so it is like
driving in a drainage pipe.

Found out the last one was 3" deep after a rain....

Man, you still can't beat that CJ 'face' in my book....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Joe wrote:

> You are the first person I've heard of that actually prefers the square
> headlights on a wrangler...

Note that I don't _prefer_ them...I just *have* them. They came with the
Jeep that I had the money to buy at the time. Somebody should make a kit
to convert rectangular to round for people who are *really* insecure
about their YJs. I don't get what the fuss is all about. Most of the
design work on a Wrangler is rounded off rectangles anyway, what's one
more set?

I personally don't really care whether a Jeep's headlights are round or
rectangular. It's like arguing with someone about whether you're a
breast man or a butt man, or do you like big boobs or little pert ones.
There's no right or wrong, it's a matter of preference. However, I
prefer round breasts over rectangular ones. Call me picky!


>
> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bj2gto$fu1$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>Old Crow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>>><enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip
>
> regarding
>
>>>>tire size though!
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
>>>now they're kinda growing on me.
>>
>>If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
>>headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
>>relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
>>at illuminating them! ;-)
>>
>
>
>

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Joe wrote:

> You are the first person I've heard of that actually prefers the square
> headlights on a wrangler...

Note that I don't _prefer_ them...I just *have* them. They came with the
Jeep that I had the money to buy at the time. Somebody should make a kit
to convert rectangular to round for people who are *really* insecure
about their YJs. I don't get what the fuss is all about. Most of the
design work on a Wrangler is rounded off rectangles anyway, what's one
more set?

I personally don't really care whether a Jeep's headlights are round or
rectangular. It's like arguing with someone about whether you're a
breast man or a butt man, or do you like big boobs or little pert ones.
There's no right or wrong, it's a matter of preference. However, I
prefer round breasts over rectangular ones. Call me picky!


>
> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bj2gto$fu1$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>Old Crow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>>><enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip
>
> regarding
>
>>>>tire size though!
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
>>>now they're kinda growing on me.
>>
>>If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
>>headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
>>relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
>>at illuminating them! ;-)
>>
>
>
>

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Approximately 9/2/03 09:36, Cal Wheeler uttered for posterity:
>
>
>>Old Crow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>>><enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>>>>tire size though!
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
>>>now they're kinda growing on me.
>>
>>If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
>>headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
>>relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
>>at illuminating them! ;-)
>
>
> Perhaps the OtherPoster drives a lot through old culverts
> and drainage pipes, where the round light pattern is of
> more benefit.
>
THERE ya go!

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Approximately 9/2/03 09:36, Cal Wheeler uttered for posterity:
>
>
>>Old Crow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:02:58 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>>><enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I on the other hand prefer the "classic look" Wranglers. Remember, real
>>>>Wranglers have rectangular head lights. I have to love that tip regarding
>>>>tire size though!
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd never liked the rectangular headlights...until I bought the YJ,
>>>now they're kinda growing on me.
>>
>>If I drove on concave roads or along skateboard half-pipes, maybe round
>>headlights would be better. But most of my nighttime driving is on
>>relatively flat roads; I find the square headlights to be very efficient
>>at illuminating them! ;-)
>
>
> Perhaps the OtherPoster drives a lot through old culverts
> and drainage pipes, where the round light pattern is of
> more benefit.
>
THERE ya go!

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

sm3gurpal wrote:

>>If you saw my 18 year old, 5'8", blond daughter in her lifted 95 YJ, you
>>wouldn't care if she was a commi, pinko, ect.
>>
>
>
> Undoubtedly. But the same would probably also be true if I saw her in
> a rusted out Pinto. :-)

As long as her other headlights aren't rectangular, everything's great!

Re: More Wrangler questions
 

sm3gurpal wrote:

>>If you saw my 18 year old, 5'8", blond daughter in her lifted 95 YJ, you
>>wouldn't care if she was a commi, pinko, ect.
>>
>
>
> Undoubtedly. But the same would probably also be true if I saw her in
> a rusted out Pinto. :-)

As long as her other headlights aren't rectangular, everything's great!