Gary Tateosian wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:29:07 -0500, "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> >Actually, since eBay has been around, it has kind of been an unwritten
> >courtesy to put "for auction" or FA in the subject line instead of "For
> >Sale" or FS. It may not seem like a big deal to most, but there are people
> >who have very limited online time, or have charges by the hour for internet
> >service. There are areas like that here where broadband is not available,
> >and this is the only service that is available to these people. Besides, how
> >hard is it to type the word auction, instead of the word sale? Many people
> >will not buy things off eBay.
>
> ...while this is a very cohesive argument, and I agree 100% with it, I
> must question the assumption (by Mike) that everyone would be
> knowledgeable of this unwritten rule. I have been playing actively
> with computers since Atari and commodores were top of the heap. I
> still remember working for 5 or 6 hours writing a basic program just
> to play it once or twice then have it be my bedtime and flick the
> switch deleting it forever.I remember stacker chips and peltier
> devices pushing the mighty 486 past the output of the new P 90
> processor. I know most of the nuances of usenet. Many do not. IMHO
> when someone offers up a post such as this they should be advised of
> the proper proocol in a respecful mannner. I am sure Mike and/or Bill
> were not born with a silicon chip between their teeth. This object is
> for sale....to the highest bidder. A simple post letting the person
> know that they should use a differing form of expression would be the
> logical thing to do. Attacking them as a liar is uncalled for. In
> todays society it seems that such a slur against a mans charactor is
> easilly given and easilly accepted. I believe this is a very improper
> attitude. Of course the annonimity of usenet breeds beer muscles. I,
> however, believe by my old fqashioned values that the most important
> thing a man has is his integrity. I am humble enough to admit an
> error, if one presents it to me that I have erred....but youi damn
> well better be ready to stand against me if you accuse me of
> lying...when all I have had is a simple gramatical error. You, Mike,
> are tired of liars....well I am tired of pompous ****** hiding behind
> keyboards lashing out from the safety of their comfy dens and defaming
> men they think they will never meet. You may disagree with my opinion,
> that is your right. But if I ever err like this original poster
> did...please come to 7404 Pentecost Rd Cedar Grove NC 27231...and call
> me a liar to my face...no really please do.
>
> ....Gareth

Well, there you go, we sure see things differently.

I do not believe the OP 'erred' at all. I believe he intentionally set
out to deceive us to try and sleaze money from us or to get us to open
his 'auction'. (does he get good ratings for 'hits'?)

'Most' posters who start off with the same lie are total sleaze bags out
to rip off the public by anonymously posting their crap.

I am in no way anonymous and use my real name here as well I have met a
whole mess of folks from this group.

I didn't hear you crying foul when I called the poster of the thread
'1986 CJ 4SALE' a liar a couple weeks ago!

I even added 'RIP OFF WARNING' to it.

Turns out it was a really big lie too! The jackass was a commercial
poster with friends faking bids so he could get his $8K for a Jeep
likely worth $800.00.

Or like another I saw on another group advertising an 'all original'
mustang 'for sale'. Maybe the body was, and that's a 'big' maybe, but
the engine, rims, tires, etc. weren't anywhere near original nor was the
engine even offered in that year.

Or like the liar that advertised a GPS 'for sale'. Only used once!
LOL. He forgot to say he dropped the thing in the lake the only time he
used it.

So maybe the OP of this thread isn't a liar normally. But like you say
being anonymous gives folks leave to do things they normally wouldn't.

Maybe I am also just too grumpy some days. Tell you what, on the next
one I will try to just ask if the jerk is a liar instead of just calling
a spade a spade.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Gary Tateosian wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:29:07 -0500, "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> >Actually, since eBay has been around, it has kind of been an unwritten
> >courtesy to put "for auction" or FA in the subject line instead of "For
> >Sale" or FS. It may not seem like a big deal to most, but there are people
> >who have very limited online time, or have charges by the hour for internet
> >service. There are areas like that here where broadband is not available,
> >and this is the only service that is available to these people. Besides, how
> >hard is it to type the word auction, instead of the word sale? Many people
> >will not buy things off eBay.
>
> ...while this is a very cohesive argument, and I agree 100% with it, I
> must question the assumption (by Mike) that everyone would be
> knowledgeable of this unwritten rule. I have been playing actively
> with computers since Atari and commodores were top of the heap. I
> still remember working for 5 or 6 hours writing a basic program just
> to play it once or twice then have it be my bedtime and flick the
> switch deleting it forever.I remember stacker chips and peltier
> devices pushing the mighty 486 past the output of the new P 90
> processor. I know most of the nuances of usenet. Many do not. IMHO
> when someone offers up a post such as this they should be advised of
> the proper proocol in a respecful mannner. I am sure Mike and/or Bill
> were not born with a silicon chip between their teeth. This object is
> for sale....to the highest bidder. A simple post letting the person
> know that they should use a differing form of expression would be the
> logical thing to do. Attacking them as a liar is uncalled for. In
> todays society it seems that such a slur against a mans charactor is
> easilly given and easilly accepted. I believe this is a very improper
> attitude. Of course the annonimity of usenet breeds beer muscles. I,
> however, believe by my old fqashioned values that the most important
> thing a man has is his integrity. I am humble enough to admit an
> error, if one presents it to me that I have erred....but youi damn
> well better be ready to stand against me if you accuse me of
> lying...when all I have had is a simple gramatical error. You, Mike,
> are tired of liars....well I am tired of pompous ****** hiding behind
> keyboards lashing out from the safety of their comfy dens and defaming
> men they think they will never meet. You may disagree with my opinion,
> that is your right. But if I ever err like this original poster
> did...please come to 7404 Pentecost Rd Cedar Grove NC 27231...and call
> me a liar to my face...no really please do.
>
> ....Gareth

Well, there you go, we sure see things differently.

I do not believe the OP 'erred' at all. I believe he intentionally set
out to deceive us to try and sleaze money from us or to get us to open
his 'auction'. (does he get good ratings for 'hits'?)

'Most' posters who start off with the same lie are total sleaze bags out
to rip off the public by anonymously posting their crap.

I am in no way anonymous and use my real name here as well I have met a
whole mess of folks from this group.

I didn't hear you crying foul when I called the poster of the thread
'1986 CJ 4SALE' a liar a couple weeks ago!

I even added 'RIP OFF WARNING' to it.

Turns out it was a really big lie too! The jackass was a commercial
poster with friends faking bids so he could get his $8K for a Jeep
likely worth $800.00.

Or like another I saw on another group advertising an 'all original'
mustang 'for sale'. Maybe the body was, and that's a 'big' maybe, but
the engine, rims, tires, etc. weren't anywhere near original nor was the
engine even offered in that year.

Or like the liar that advertised a GPS 'for sale'. Only used once!
LOL. He forgot to say he dropped the thing in the lake the only time he
used it.

So maybe the OP of this thread isn't a liar normally. But like you say
being anonymous gives folks leave to do things they normally wouldn't.

Maybe I am also just too grumpy some days. Tell you what, on the next
one I will try to just ask if the jerk is a liar instead of just calling
a spade a spade.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Gary Tateosian wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:29:07 -0500, "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> >Actually, since eBay has been around, it has kind of been an unwritten
> >courtesy to put "for auction" or FA in the subject line instead of "For
> >Sale" or FS. It may not seem like a big deal to most, but there are people
> >who have very limited online time, or have charges by the hour for internet
> >service. There are areas like that here where broadband is not available,
> >and this is the only service that is available to these people. Besides, how
> >hard is it to type the word auction, instead of the word sale? Many people
> >will not buy things off eBay.
>
> ...while this is a very cohesive argument, and I agree 100% with it, I
> must question the assumption (by Mike) that everyone would be
> knowledgeable of this unwritten rule. I have been playing actively
> with computers since Atari and commodores were top of the heap. I
> still remember working for 5 or 6 hours writing a basic program just
> to play it once or twice then have it be my bedtime and flick the
> switch deleting it forever.I remember stacker chips and peltier
> devices pushing the mighty 486 past the output of the new P 90
> processor. I know most of the nuances of usenet. Many do not. IMHO
> when someone offers up a post such as this they should be advised of
> the proper proocol in a respecful mannner. I am sure Mike and/or Bill
> were not born with a silicon chip between their teeth. This object is
> for sale....to the highest bidder. A simple post letting the person
> know that they should use a differing form of expression would be the
> logical thing to do. Attacking them as a liar is uncalled for. In
> todays society it seems that such a slur against a mans charactor is
> easilly given and easilly accepted. I believe this is a very improper
> attitude. Of course the annonimity of usenet breeds beer muscles. I,
> however, believe by my old fqashioned values that the most important
> thing a man has is his integrity. I am humble enough to admit an
> error, if one presents it to me that I have erred....but youi damn
> well better be ready to stand against me if you accuse me of
> lying...when all I have had is a simple gramatical error. You, Mike,
> are tired of liars....well I am tired of pompous ****** hiding behind
> keyboards lashing out from the safety of their comfy dens and defaming
> men they think they will never meet. You may disagree with my opinion,
> that is your right. But if I ever err like this original poster
> did...please come to 7404 Pentecost Rd Cedar Grove NC 27231...and call
> me a liar to my face...no really please do.
>
> ....Gareth

Well, there you go, we sure see things differently.

I do not believe the OP 'erred' at all. I believe he intentionally set
out to deceive us to try and sleaze money from us or to get us to open
his 'auction'. (does he get good ratings for 'hits'?)

'Most' posters who start off with the same lie are total sleaze bags out
to rip off the public by anonymously posting their crap.

I am in no way anonymous and use my real name here as well I have met a
whole mess of folks from this group.

I didn't hear you crying foul when I called the poster of the thread
'1986 CJ 4SALE' a liar a couple weeks ago!

I even added 'RIP OFF WARNING' to it.

Turns out it was a really big lie too! The jackass was a commercial
poster with friends faking bids so he could get his $8K for a Jeep
likely worth $800.00.

Or like another I saw on another group advertising an 'all original'
mustang 'for sale'. Maybe the body was, and that's a 'big' maybe, but
the engine, rims, tires, etc. weren't anywhere near original nor was the
engine even offered in that year.

Or like the liar that advertised a GPS 'for sale'. Only used once!
LOL. He forgot to say he dropped the thing in the lake the only time he
used it.

So maybe the OP of this thread isn't a liar normally. But like you say
being anonymous gives folks leave to do things they normally wouldn't.

Maybe I am also just too grumpy some days. Tell you what, on the next
one I will try to just ask if the jerk is a liar instead of just calling
a spade a spade.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

So what? I know people who worked w/mainframes long before there ever was an
Atari anything.

>...while this is a very cohesive argument, and I agree 100% with it, I
>must question the assumption (by Mike) that everyone would be
>knowledgeable of this unwritten rule. I have been playing actively
>with computers since Atari and commodores were top of the heap. I
>still remember working for 5 or 6 hours writing a basic program just
>to play it once or twice then have it be my bedtime and flick the
>switch deleting it forever.I remember stacker chips and peltier
>devices pushing the mighty 486 past the output of the new P 90
>processor.


-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

So what? I know people who worked w/mainframes long before there ever was an
Atari anything.

>...while this is a very cohesive argument, and I agree 100% with it, I
>must question the assumption (by Mike) that everyone would be
>knowledgeable of this unwritten rule. I have been playing actively
>with computers since Atari and commodores were top of the heap. I
>still remember working for 5 or 6 hours writing a basic program just
>to play it once or twice then have it be my bedtime and flick the
>switch deleting it forever.I remember stacker chips and peltier
>devices pushing the mighty 486 past the output of the new P 90
>processor.


-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

So what? I know people who worked w/mainframes long before there ever was an
Atari anything.

>...while this is a very cohesive argument, and I agree 100% with it, I
>must question the assumption (by Mike) that everyone would be
>knowledgeable of this unwritten rule. I have been playing actively
>with computers since Atari and commodores were top of the heap. I
>still remember working for 5 or 6 hours writing a basic program just
>to play it once or twice then have it be my bedtime and flick the
>switch deleting it forever.I remember stacker chips and peltier
>devices pushing the mighty 486 past the output of the new P 90
>processor.


-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

So what? I know people who worked w/mainframes long before there ever was an
Atari anything.

>...while this is a very cohesive argument, and I agree 100% with it, I
>must question the assumption (by Mike) that everyone would be
>knowledgeable of this unwritten rule. I have been playing actively
>with computers since Atari and commodores were top of the heap. I
>still remember working for 5 or 6 hours writing a basic program just
>to play it once or twice then have it be my bedtime and flick the
>switch deleting it forever.I remember stacker chips and peltier
>devices pushing the mighty 486 past the output of the new P 90
>processor.


-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)