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Lifter noise...should I worry?
It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this
group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's
like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. -- JimG 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift .. "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's
like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. -- JimG 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift .. "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's
like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. -- JimG 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift .. "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's
like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. -- JimG 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift .. "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
I had the same problem (258, 293,000KM). About 6 months ago I started
putting about half a litre of lucas in with my oil and I haven't heard it since. "JimG" <JimG@nospam.com> wrote in message news:BQx6e.3340$hg.796@news01.roc.ny... > Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's > like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of > a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up > (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same > mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. > > -- > JimG > 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI > 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp > 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear > 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys > D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift > . > "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > > > > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
I had the same problem (258, 293,000KM). About 6 months ago I started
putting about half a litre of lucas in with my oil and I haven't heard it since. "JimG" <JimG@nospam.com> wrote in message news:BQx6e.3340$hg.796@news01.roc.ny... > Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's > like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of > a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up > (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same > mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. > > -- > JimG > 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI > 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp > 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear > 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys > D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift > . > "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > > > > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
I had the same problem (258, 293,000KM). About 6 months ago I started
putting about half a litre of lucas in with my oil and I haven't heard it since. "JimG" <JimG@nospam.com> wrote in message news:BQx6e.3340$hg.796@news01.roc.ny... > Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's > like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of > a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up > (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same > mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. > > -- > JimG > 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI > 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp > 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear > 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys > D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift > . > "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > > > > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
I had the same problem (258, 293,000KM). About 6 months ago I started
putting about half a litre of lucas in with my oil and I haven't heard it since. "JimG" <JimG@nospam.com> wrote in message news:BQx6e.3340$hg.796@news01.roc.ny... > Your symptoms are not unusual for these motors at that mileage. If it's > like mine you also have leaks and blow-by. No doubt these are the signs of > a motor that is wearing out. My intention is to run mine till it gives up > (not my daily driver) and then rebuild/replace. I have about the same > mileage as yours and won't be surprised to get another 50K out of it. > > -- > JimG > 80' CJ-7 258 CID, HEI > 4.56 Gears, Lock-Right F&R > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines > D44 Rear, D30 Front. SOA > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries > > 00' TJ Sport 4.0L, 5sp > 4.56 Gears, TrueTrac rear > 33" BFG AT on 15x8 Eagle Alloys > D35 Rear, D30 Front. 3" Suspension Lift > . > "Daniel Paisley" wrote in message ... > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > > > > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Clean the breather on the rear plastic
fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. For your noise my 96 with 142k is noisy and it's the pistons and lucas won't help there but Restore does. My vintage had (96) problems with the wrong size pistons being put in but I don't think your 89 suffered from that "feature". JoBo "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Clean the breather on the rear plastic
fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. For your noise my 96 with 142k is noisy and it's the pistons and lucas won't help there but Restore does. My vintage had (96) problems with the wrong size pistons being put in but I don't think your 89 suffered from that "feature". JoBo "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Clean the breather on the rear plastic
fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. For your noise my 96 with 142k is noisy and it's the pistons and lucas won't help there but Restore does. My vintage had (96) problems with the wrong size pistons being put in but I don't think your 89 suffered from that "feature". JoBo "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Clean the breather on the rear plastic
fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. For your noise my 96 with 142k is noisy and it's the pistons and lucas won't help there but Restore does. My vintage had (96) problems with the wrong size pistons being put in but I don't think your 89 suffered from that "feature". JoBo "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Thanks for the info, folks. I hate the thought of being 'Jeep-less'.
Right now it is my every day vehicle. I was kinda wondering if a PCV problem would make the lifters rattle, after Mike mentioned it response to my blow-by question. It just seems that everything is happening at once. Maybe I should replace all vacuum lines as well? My next question will be about the fast idle cam :( |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Thanks for the info, folks. I hate the thought of being 'Jeep-less'.
Right now it is my every day vehicle. I was kinda wondering if a PCV problem would make the lifters rattle, after Mike mentioned it response to my blow-by question. It just seems that everything is happening at once. Maybe I should replace all vacuum lines as well? My next question will be about the fast idle cam :( |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Thanks for the info, folks. I hate the thought of being 'Jeep-less'.
Right now it is my every day vehicle. I was kinda wondering if a PCV problem would make the lifters rattle, after Mike mentioned it response to my blow-by question. It just seems that everything is happening at once. Maybe I should replace all vacuum lines as well? My next question will be about the fast idle cam :( |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Thanks for the info, folks. I hate the thought of being 'Jeep-less'.
Right now it is my every day vehicle. I was kinda wondering if a PCV problem would make the lifters rattle, after Mike mentioned it response to my blow-by question. It just seems that everything is happening at once. Maybe I should replace all vacuum lines as well? My next question will be about the fast idle cam :( |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Thank goodness! Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the air filter. "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Thank goodness! Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the air filter. "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Thank goodness! Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the air filter. "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: Your engine is not worn out at 120k. Thank goodness! Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the air filter. "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Both of my 258's have had a lifter noise when first started. I just
figure is is a lifter or 3 that is a bit weak until the oil pressure pumps them up or they have some build up that needs heat to loosen. And I know folks that did get suckered for a rebuilt because of the 'blow by' including the previous owner of my Jeep. He was told the engine was toast but I found a brand new crank and cam in it after I opened it to see.... All mine needed was a new canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Both of my 258's have had a lifter noise when first started. I just
figure is is a lifter or 3 that is a bit weak until the oil pressure pumps them up or they have some build up that needs heat to loosen. And I know folks that did get suckered for a rebuilt because of the 'blow by' including the previous owner of my Jeep. He was told the engine was toast but I found a brand new crank and cam in it after I opened it to see.... All mine needed was a new canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Both of my 258's have had a lifter noise when first started. I just
figure is is a lifter or 3 that is a bit weak until the oil pressure pumps them up or they have some build up that needs heat to loosen. And I know folks that did get suckered for a rebuilt because of the 'blow by' including the previous owner of my Jeep. He was told the engine was toast but I found a brand new crank and cam in it after I opened it to see.... All mine needed was a new canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Both of my 258's have had a lifter noise when first started. I just
figure is is a lifter or 3 that is a bit weak until the oil pressure pumps them up or they have some build up that needs heat to loosen. And I know folks that did get suckered for a rebuilt because of the 'blow by' including the previous owner of my Jeep. He was told the engine was toast but I found a brand new crank and cam in it after I opened it to see.... All mine needed was a new canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and
canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: > Your engine is not worn out at 120k. > > Thank goodness! > > Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It > will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose > and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. > > Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the > valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the > air filter. > > > "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and
canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: > Your engine is not worn out at 120k. > > Thank goodness! > > Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It > will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose > and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. > > Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the > valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the > air filter. > > > "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and
canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: > Your engine is not worn out at 120k. > > Thank goodness! > > Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It > will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose > and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. > > Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the > valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the > air filter. > > > "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and
canister. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > jromas@columbus.rr.com (Jo Bo) wrote: > Your engine is not worn out at 120k. > > Thank goodness! > > Clean the breather on the rear plastic fitting on the valve cover. It > will brake if you try to remove it. Just pull out the small plastic hose > and then use a small screw driver to clean the opening. > > Hmm, I have something that resembles a PCV valve near the rear of the > valve cover, but there is a large rubber hose going from there to the > air filter. > > > "Daniel Paisley" <dmpazlee@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:14131-425A97B4-418@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net... > It seems as though the only people that know about a 258 are in this > group! If I go to the shop for _anything_ motor wise, I'm told about the > blow-by (bad rings etc.). I'm guessing they're wanting to charge me for > a rebuild?! Anywhoo, question is this. I'm starting (well have been), > hearing some lifter noise. Mostly at start-up with higher oil pressure. > It seems to go away after things warm up, and pressure gets a little > lower. Other times it is there when engine is warm. Is there a 'fix' for > this? Or is my '89 258 with 120k about to take a big nap? TIA |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and canister._________________________________________ ____________________ Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and canister._________________________________________ ____________________ Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and canister._________________________________________ ____________________ Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and canister._________________________________________ ____________________ Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
The PCV system has a fresh air in hose that goes to the rear of the
valve cover. It is just a big empty hose and fitting drawing fresh air from the air filter. If the cat has issues, it will run 'way' better without one. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: > > Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and > canister._________________________________________ ____________________ > Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I > still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air > breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found > was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or > replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some > serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, > C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any > difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan > > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
The PCV system has a fresh air in hose that goes to the rear of the
valve cover. It is just a big empty hose and fitting drawing fresh air from the air filter. If the cat has issues, it will run 'way' better without one. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: > > Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and > canister._________________________________________ ____________________ > Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I > still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air > breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found > was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or > replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some > serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, > C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any > difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan > > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
The PCV system has a fresh air in hose that goes to the rear of the
valve cover. It is just a big empty hose and fitting drawing fresh air from the air filter. If the cat has issues, it will run 'way' better without one. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: > > Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and > canister._________________________________________ ____________________ > Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I > still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air > breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found > was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or > replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some > serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, > C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any > difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan > > |
Re: Lifter noise...should I worry?
The PCV system has a fresh air in hose that goes to the rear of the
valve cover. It is just a big empty hose and fitting drawing fresh air from the air filter. If the cat has issues, it will run 'way' better without one. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Daniel Paisley wrote: > > > romainm@sympatico.ca (Mike Romain)wrote: > > Different engines, one has a CCV that plugs, the other a PCV and > canister._________________________________________ ____________________ > Well I found the canister, that thing _is_ way down there isn't it?! I > still am unsure about the PCV valve looking thing behind the air > breather. I've looked all through my Haynes and the best thing I found > was a diagram saying "PCV air in". Now does this just get cleaned, or > replaced? Tomorrow I'm doing the "pinch" test. I'm also putting some > serious thought into this 'nutter' thing. I'm not concerned with NOx, > C3p0, R2D2, or any of it. Would just running without a CAT make any > difference? We have no emission testing here :) Dan > > |
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